Mean Green Scholarship Fund is replacing the Mean Green Club

[flyonthewall]

  On 1/29/2018 at 10:09 PM, oldguystudent said:

I mean, I'd probably pay pretty good money to kick your Todd Dodge football. 

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too late.  I don't think the todd dodge football survived todd todge

[SilverEagle]

  On 1/29/2018 at 6:24 PM, LETitFLYguy said:

how so?

 

club¹

kləb/

noun

 

1. 1.

   an association or organization dedicated to a particular interest or activity.

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an association of persons for some common object usually jointly supported and meeting periodically; 

We never had "club" meetings, much less elected officers, and we never received regular reports about the number of members, the amount donated, and goals regarding membership. 

Edited January 30, 2018 by SilverEagle

[SteaminWillieBeamin]

The name is just stupid. That is all... Doesn't roll off the tongue at all.

[Aldo]

  On 1/29/2018 at 9:35 PM, flyonthewall said:

I’ll tell you why it affects me.  My license plate holder is no longer valid.  I have to throw away two sweatshirts, and everything mandarino worked so hard to build from the ground up just got axed in one swift obviously knee jerk decision.  Plus, it’s one of the few clubs I actually belong to.  What now?  Rotary? Kiwanananasasas? Junior league?  I have no direction.

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We can go to the club. I’ll grab my shiny gold shirt with a really large, really pointy collar that’s subliminally arousing. 

[DeepGreen]

Wish we had named it the North Texas Athletics Foundation, (or, Mean Green Athletics Foundation) like most other universities have.  I assume a "Athletic Foundation" would serve the same purpose as a Mean Green Scholarship Fund.

[Rudy]

  On 1/29/2018 at 10:09 PM, oldguystudent said:

I mean, I'd probably pay pretty good money to kick your Todd Dodge football. 

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Why pay money to kick a football that couldn't penetrate the invisible force field known as the 20 yard line?

[GrandGreen]

Seems like a bad name to me.   It denotes contributions are only for scholarships which I am fairly confident is not the case.

 

[Ben Gooding]

  On 1/30/2018 at 5:27 AM, GrandGreen said:

Seems like a bad name to me.   It denotes contributions are only for scholarships which I am fairly confident is not the case.

 

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Agreed. 

Seems like another money grab move so we are less aware of how this money is being put to use. It's cute that they annotate the scholarship fund in the name, but is that exclusively what this is for? I do not think it is. If it is not, it's basically lying about the use of funds and asking us to give with our eyes even closed tighter. 

-1's because people are soft and can't stand to hear negativity put into context....Don't worry, I have my umbrella handy...

Edited January 30, 2018 by Ben Gooding

[oldguystudent]

There are effectively three places that contributions to athletics go, right?  

1) Scholarships

2) Capital campaigns

3) Coach and staff salaries

Capital campaigns have, to my knowledge, nearly all come from private purpose specific donations and the student athletic fee.  

So that leaves us with scholarships and salaries.  Have salaries historically been paid out of the GMG fund?  

Is anything really different?  I promise I'm not trying to agitate here.  I'm trying to understand what is actually different aside from potential increases in required donations for season tickets, which had already begun with club seats who had completed their capital campaign gifts last season, so was really to be expected.  

I haven't yet received my phone call from the athletic department to discuss my upcoming contributions for 2018, so I haven't been able to ask any of these questions.  (I kinda think that I might have a little asterisk by my name akin to DoNotCall list from previous encounters, and I'm kinda fine with that.) 

[Aldo]

I think they should have called them Scholar Ships. And then we could all dress like pirates.

Totally a reason to walk away.

[GrandGreen]

  On 1/30/2018 at 1:58 PM, oldguystudent said:

There are effectively three places that contributions to athletics go, right?  

1) Scholarships

2) Capital campaigns

3) Coach and staff salaries

Capital campaigns have, to my knowledge, nearly all come from private purpose specific donations and the student athletic fee.  

So that leaves us with scholarships and salaries.  Have salaries historically been paid out of the GMG fund?  

Is anything really different?  I promise I'm not trying to agitate here.  I'm trying to understand what is actually different aside from potential increases in required donations for season tickets, which had already begun with club seats who had completed their capital campaign gifts last season, so was really to be expected.  

I haven't yet received my phone call from the athletic department to discuss my upcoming contributions for 2018, so I haven't been able to ask any of these questions.  (I kinda think that I might have a little asterisk by my name akin to DoNotCall list from previous encounters, and I'm kinda fine with that.) 

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My guess unless otherwise designated by the donor that most donations are unrestricted.   Meaning that they can be used for just about anything in the athletic department.  Frankly, traditional scholarships are one of the  least likely to see any of these funds.   

Although on a book basis the AD is charged for tuition, in reality the actual expenses are much less on a cash basis.   It doesn't cost a university of close to 40k a lot to add 3 hundred students.  These tuition and fee charges show up as an expense on the books, than are covered by those mysterious institutional transfers with very small cash impact.    

The part of scholarships that unrestricted donations are most likely to cover are the stipends now available to football players and the housing allowances as apparently no one lives on campus anymore.  Plus apparently now food is being provided in addition to their outside living allowance.    

The biggest costs in terms of actual cash expenditures is staff salaries and benefits, but you are not likely to see that in the title of a donation fund.  

[Brett Vito]

DRC: What's happening and why

http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/mean-green/2018/01/30/unt-announces-changes-ticketing-policy-scholarship-fund

 

[DentonLurker]

Until the money raised actually exceeds the scholarship bill, what difference does it even make where the money goes? State budgets do not work like a bank account. The revenue budget is pretty much exclusive of the expense budget. The only caveat is that total revenue has to match total expenses.

[untjim1995]

  On 1/30/2018 at 1:49 PM, Ben Gooding said:

Agreed. 

Seems like another money grab move so we are less aware of how this money is being put to use. It's cute that they annotate the scholarship fund in the name, but is that exclusively what this is for? I do not think it is. If it is not, it's basically lying about the use of funds and asking us to give with our eyes even closed tighter. 

-1's because people are soft and can't stand to hear negativity put into context....Don't worry, I have my umbrella handy...

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When you have 1000 MGC donors and 5000 season ticket holders for football with the numbers we have, they don’t have much of a choice but to get more $$$ from those that give. Unless/until those numbers are double what they are now, it wouldn’t surprise me to see the contribution levels and ticket prices go up annually to make up the difference. 

[oldguystudent]

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"This is not a money grab," Baker said.

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LOLOLOLOL!!!! Somebody's reading this board! 

[oldguystudent]

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Single-game passes to the Blue lot will be available for purchase to the general public.

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Ruh-roh. 

[Ben Gooding]

  On 1/30/2018 at 4:11 PM, oldguystudent said:

LOLOLOLOL!!!! Somebody's reading this board! 

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Yeah. But if it's not a money grab, then what would it be called? 

 

 

[Ben Gooding]

"I can see where that concern of a limited fan base would come up for someone whose experience is confined to UNT," Baker said. "Having been at six universities...."

 

[oldguystudent]

  On 1/30/2018 at 4:19 PM, Ben Gooding said:

Yeah. But if it's not a money grab, then what would it be called? 

 

 

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When they made the contribution minimum change from per donor to per seat in the club last year, it was to stifle certain abuses that were taking place.  I could lay down one donation, buy two seats, but effectively have rights to four seats every game at cut-rate prices.  People (rightfully) didn't think that was fair, so they changed the policy.  

All of this, in my eyes, is disposable income expenditures on a recreational pursuit.  Some day, I may feel that the expense outweighs the benefit of recreation enjoyed.  If that day arrives, I will either downgrade my seating situation or I will decide that it simply isn't worth it, and I will quietly walk away. Same as I did with cable television nearly a decade ago.  

People wanted RV gone and got what they wanted.  Now Wren is running things differently for better or for worse.  To expect anything else would be futile. 

There are still a number of people out there who for whatever reason have such a deep seated loathing for all things UNT athletics, that Wren could be caught taking a piss in the student center men's room as opposed to his allocated private office gold plated latrine, and it would cause rage induced aneurysms. 

None of this is a birthright to alumni.  Like at all.  It is a choice -- you either think it's worth it or you don't.  That's it.  

It you're experiencing near daily rage induced aneurysms, I'd maybe think you don't consider it worth it, and I'd be ok with that. 

 

[MeanGreenEngineer]

  On 1/30/2018 at 1:49 PM, Ben Gooding said:

-1's because people are soft and can't stand to hear negativity put into context....Don't worry, I have my umbrella handy...

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You are receiving down votes because you are the guy who constantly harps on "not settling" and "#oldenton", and is tired of "excuses" for everything that isn't first class and P5 worthy.  

However, as soon as someone asks you to help pay for those things, suddenly you have plenty of excuses of why it is not fair to ask you to pay for it.  That is the most #olddenton thing ever.  It is the dictionary definition of #OldDenton.  

 

[southsideguy]

hold on to the stuff and putt all in plastic and down the road maybe we will have a throwback mean green sweatshirt day at Apogee.

[Zeke]

Anybody get an interpretation on the new parking?  I have always gotten a black lot parking pass with my Club Seats.  Is this going away?

Spaces in the reserved parking lot for football games will be available starting with a $3,000 Mean Green Scholarship Fund donation. Blue lot spots will be available for a $300 donation. Single-game passes to the Blue lot will be available for purchase to the general public.

 

[oldguystudent]

  On 1/30/2018 at 4:38 PM, Zeke said:

Anybody get an interpretation on the new parking?  I have always gotten a black lot parking pass with my Club Seats.  Is this going away?

Spaces in the reserved parking lot for football games will be available starting with a $3,000 Mean Green Scholarship Fund donation. Blue lot spots will be available for a $300 donation. Single-game passes to the Blue lot will be available for purchase to the general public.

 

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I always got red/blue with my club seats.  I believe the black lot was something along the lines of $1,000 or $2,000 (I don't recall the exact amount), so it looks like they raised the minimum for that.  

I anticipate the red/blue lot is going to be considerably more crowded next year as former black lot space holders and the general public trickle in.  I'm gonna have to make effort to show up early so as to avoid the shithouse that is entry on Bonnie Brae.  Either that, or I'll decide to have a little verbal sparring fun with yellowjackets at the North Texas Blvd entry who don't seem to understand that red and blue parking passes are exactly the same thing. 

Edited January 30, 2018 by oldguystudent

[Ben Gooding]

  On 1/30/2018 at 4:32 PM, MeanGreenEngineer said:

You are receiving down votes because you are the guy who constantly harps on "not settling" and "#oldenton", and is tired of "excuses" for everything that isn't first class and P5 worthy.  

However, as soon as someone asks you to help pay for those things, suddenly you have plenty of excuses of why it is not fair to ask you to pay for it.  That is the most #olddenton thing ever.  It is the dictionary definition of #OldDenton.  

 

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I don't care about -1's. I don't care about this increase in prices either because it doesn't pertain to me. But don't piss on me and tell me it's raining. Like, don't grab at people's wallet and then say it's not a money grab. Say what he said, such as wanting to be at the market value of our very peers and leave it alone. Again, this boost doesn't affect me at all. 

[MeanGreenEngineer]

  On 1/30/2018 at 4:45 PM, Ben Gooding said:

 Like, don't grab at people's wallet and then say it's not a money grab. 

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So asking a customer who is interested in the product and in convinced the product should be high grade is a money grab.  

But forcing the students, many of who aren't interested in athletics at all, to pay a higher fee is not a money grab?  

Edited January 30, 2018 by MeanGreenEngineer