Athletic fee referendum to be put to a re-vote

MeanGreenTexan · January 23, 2018

2 minutes ago, oldguystudent said:

If my daughter chooses to remain at UNT, it will be full ride, so I am therefore advocating for a $20,000 per semester hour student athletic fee. They deserve to pay it. Just don't raise my GMG contributions!!!

Again, not directed at you. I think you and I are very much on the same page in this.

Full Ride? Phhfff. She's not invested.

Hunter Green · January 23, 2018

8 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Yeah. ~$5500 per semester in tuition/fees is just not going to cut it. ...Students clearly aren't invested.

So you think another $150 per semester really makes a difference?

MeanGreenTexan · January 23, 2018

1 minute ago, Hunter Green said:

So you think another $150 per semester really makes a difference?

For those who are having to finance college, that $150/semester *8 semesters = $1200. Then add interest to that over the course of paying it off over several years... And that $150/semester is more like $2000.

So, yes. Yes it does make a difference.

BTG_Fan1 · January 23, 2018

8 minutes ago, Hunter Green said:

So you think another $150 per semester really makes a difference?

If you had the option to tax yourself an extra $150 bucks every 5 months would you vote for it or against if you had 0 interest in it?

oldguystudent · January 23, 2018

Cost of attendance this year was $22,901.54. Let's assume no increases over four years. Total cost of attendance $91,606.16.

I see no reason why we can't heap another couple thousand on top of that.

Hunter Green · January 24, 2018

11 hours ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

If you had the option to tax yourself an extra $150 bucks every 5 months would you vote for it or against if you had 0 interest in it?

So, I assume you're against the fee increase?

UNTFan23 · January 24, 2018

19 hours ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

If you had the option to tax yourself an extra $150 bucks every 5 months would you vote for it or against if you had 0 interest in it?

Just wait until you own a home!

untjim1995 · January 24, 2018

19 hours ago, oldguystudent said:

Cost of attendance this year was $22,901.54. Let's assume no increases over four years. Total cost of attendance $91,606.16.

I see no reason why we can't heap another couple thousand on top of that.

Yep, and as another UNT student and his alum parents told me this weekend, if we cared about sports, I’d be a Longhorn, Aggie, or Red Raider...we’d know what we were paying a higher sports fee for.

TreeFiddy · January 24, 2018

19 hours ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

If you had the option to tax yourself an extra $150 bucks every 5 months would you vote for it or against if you had 0 interest in it?

Reality is coming. Prepare now.

oldguystudent · January 24, 2018

It's reality. You just gotta pay for shit you don't want or use. It's for the greater good and importance of image.

I have never wanted to be a car salesman so badly in my life.

MeanGreen_MBA · January 24, 2018

1 hour ago, untjim1995 said:

Yep, and as another UNT student and his alum parents told me this weekend, if we cared about sports, I’d be a Longhorn, Aggie, or Red Raider...we’d know what we were paying a higher sports fee for.

There is always UT-Dallas, UTA, UNT-Dallas - they can make those hard choices. I have no kids, but still pay taxes to support schools, never once used the student medical services, but had to pay fees to support the medical services at UNT...

Pavlovs Eagle · January 24, 2018

1 hour ago, untjim1995 said:

if we cared about sports, I’d be a Longhorn, Aggie, or Red Raider...we’d know what we were paying a higher sports fee for.

Isn't this why UTD exists?

DeepGreen · January 24, 2018

1 hour ago, untjim1995 said:

Yep, and as another UNT student and his alum parents told me this weekend, if we cared about sports, I’d be a Longhorn, Aggie, or Red Raider...we’d know what we were paying a higher sports fee for.

Pavlovs Eagle answered this already. Plenty of good colleges that have the bare minimum in athletics. Without football, I'm sure UTA would be a good choice. Or, SFA, Lamar, or a host of other universities/colleges.

GrandGreen · January 24, 2018

I don't think the current fee can be raised any higher than it is, adding to the mystery of why NT's athletic fee is tied to construction and limited. Contrasted to TSSM and UTSA enacted in the same time frame that don't have those restrictions and can be raised to the state maximum. Maybe someone can ask RV about that.

Raising the student fees is easy for all of us that don't have to pay them. Let the students decide how important athletics are to them.

MeanGreenTexan · January 24, 2018

Are some of you really advocating for students to go to other schools because they don't like sports? How myopic is that?

We want the best students at our University, regardless of their likes/dislikes. If some extremely gifted musician wants to come to UNT, but hates football, I still want that extremely gifted student at UNT. If some poor girl has a heart for children and wants to become an elementary teacher, yet could give a flip if UNT were 1-11 in football or 15-0 in football, I want her to come to UNT as well.

It's my understanding that UNT is able to raise the student athletics fee by 10% per year until it reaches a state-mandated maximum. If that increase is put in front of the students to vote, expect some dissenting votes... but I don't believe the 10% increase REQUIRES a student vote, does it?

oldguystudent · January 24, 2018

36 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Are some of you really advocating for students to go to other schools because they don't like sports? How myopic is that?

We want the best students at our University, regardless of their likes/dislikes. If some extremely gifted musician wants to come to UNT, but hates football, I still want that extremely gifted student at UNT. If some poor girl has a heart for children and wants to become an elementary teacher, yet could give a flip if UNT were 1-11 in football or 15-0 in football, I want her to come to UNT as well.

It's my understanding that UNT is able to raise the student athletics fee by 10% per year until it reaches a state-mandated maximum. If that increase is put in front of the students to vote, expect some dissenting votes... but I don't believe the 10% increase REQUIRES a student vote, does it?

This asks the ultimate question that I've been asking for a decade -- who does UNT wish to be? I think there's a serious institutional identity crisis going on at the moment. And yes, for the kids who are getting 1600s on their SATs, I promise that football has just about zero influence on their choice of education.

UNT90 · January 24, 2018

12 minutes ago, oldguystudent said:

This asks the ultimate question that I've been asking for a decade -- who does UNT wish to be? I think there's a serious institutional identity crisis going on at the moment. And yes, for the kids who are getting 1600s on their SATs, I promise that football has just about zero influence on their choice of education.

There is a culture crisis. Do they seriously want to be a tier one research university and all that go along with that? Because, outside the Ivy League, athletics is a HUGE player in that equation. Or do they want to remain everyone’s 5th college choice.

There are many alums, members of this board, faculty, and administrators that can’t see the bigger picture and are perfectly fine remaining the commuter school that so many have made fun of for so long.

Its a cultural problem throughout the university. If history is any indicator, those who try to change it will be met with stiff resistance.

Average is just fine for a lot of folks.

Edited January 24, 2018 by UNT90

GrandGreen · January 24, 2018

1 hour ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Are some of you really advocating for students to go to other schools because they don't like sports? How myopic is that?

We want the best students at our University, regardless of their likes/dislikes. If some extremely gifted musician wants to come to UNT, but hates football, I still want that extremely gifted student at UNT. If some poor girl has a heart for children and wants to become an elementary teacher, yet could give a flip if UNT were 1-11 in football or 15-0 in football, I want her to come to UNT as well.

It's my understanding that UNT is able to raise the student athletics fee by 10% per year until it reaches a state-mandated maximum. If that increase is put in front of the students to vote, expect some dissenting votes... but I don't believe the 10% increase REQUIRES a student vote, does it?

Than why are they having an election? My understanding was the same as yours, but apparently it is not true. It was reported that the 1% increase by the BOR was the only increase that could be enacted under the provision for the approved fee.

There are a lot of threads on the approved athletic fee and it is still far from clear how this law is exactly interpreted.

TheColonyEagle · January 24, 2018

3 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

Yep, and as another UNT student and his alum parents told me this weekend, if we cared about sports, I’d be a Longhorn, Aggie, or Red Raider...we’d know what we were paying a higher sports fee for.

There are 40K, 50K students at UT and A&M and 30K + at Tech...

I would venture a large % of students at those universities don't care about sports either.....

probably more than half

Edited January 24, 2018 by TheColonyEagle

Cerebus · January 24, 2018

2 hours ago, Prettylittleeagle said:

UTD is leaps above UNT from an educational standpoint

Get. Help.

Ben Gooding · January 24, 2018

11 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

Get. Help.

Very clever. Might have to steal this

BTG_Fan1 · January 24, 2018

1 hour ago, GrandGreen said:

Than why are they having an election? My understanding was the same as yours, but apparently it is not true. It was reported that the 1% increase by the BOR was the only increase that could be enacted under the provision for the approved fee.

There are a lot of threads on the approved athletic fee and it is still far from clear how this law is exactly interpreted.

Because they want to get a larger than 10% increase so they have to send it to a student vote.. The smart thing would have been to do the 10% automatically this year (and potentially even last year if WB coulda gotten it done in time which I doubt).

Cite what the increases would be used for and then use Donor money for coaches, etc

untbowler · January 24, 2018

3 hours ago, GrandGreen said:

Than why are they having an election? My understanding was the same as yours, but apparently it is not true. It was reported that the 1% increase by the BOR was the only increase that could be enacted under the provision for the approved fee.

There are a lot of threads on the approved athletic fee and it is still far from clear how this law is exactly interpreted.

Thank that Jack@$$ Lee Jackson for this garbage and a weak BOR to scared to engage the chancellor at the time. Only school with this limitation.

untjim1995 · January 24, 2018

5 hours ago, GrandGreen said:

I don't think the current fee can be raised any higher than it is, adding to the mystery of why NT's athletic fee is tied to construction and limited. Contrasted to TSSM and UTSA enacted in the same time frame that don't have those restrictions and can be raised to the state maximum. Maybe someone can ask RV about that.

Raising the student fees is easy for all of us that don't have to pay them. Let the students decide how important athletics are to them.

I think the fee got put in place at each school in the ways their BOR and administration found acceptable. TX State and UTSA like athletics to represent their schools as the primary window to their universities. We don’t...and won’t...ever. It’s just how things go here. We love other educational and artistic endeavors. Always have, always will.

I don’t lose any sleep anymore on this. It’s just not what the majority of the UNT Family wants...

MeanGreenTexan · January 24, 2018

32 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

I think the fee got put in place at each school in the ways their BOR and administration found acceptable. TX State and UTSA like athletics to represent their schools as the primary window to their universities. We don’t...and won’t...ever. It’s just how things go here. We love other educational and artistic endeavors. Always have, always will.

I don’t lose any sleep anymore on this. It’s just not what the majority of the UNT Family wants...

They can pump $100/hr into Athletics & that will never be what that school is known for.

low academics & gratuitous partying.

And poor UTSA. They have no identity & I bet very few high school Juniors (the ones looking for their future educations) North of Waco even know they’re a school, let alone a FBS football school.