DRC: Follow up thoughts on signing day, C-USA power dynamic

[Brett Vito]

DRC: Look out for the Florida schools. FIU took home two four-star players, FAU will be loaded again

http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/mean-green/2017/12/21/national-signing-day-unt-fared-look-florida-schools

[Harry]

Ok, so the curb stomped comment was a little hurtful albeit accurate.  Otherwise good art.

[Hunter Green]

Brett likes to twist the knife.

[GTWT]

UNT's class will ultimately be judged on if it bolsters the team's defense

i.e., you can't judge a recruiting class until you see what those kids do 2, 3, 4 years later on the field.

[Cerebus]

9 minutes ago, GTWT said:

i.e., you can't judge a recruiting class until you see what those kids do 2, 3, 4 years later on the field.

You maybe can't judge the recruits for a few years.  But you can judge the recruiters.  In head to head matchups where we offered an so did our peers, did we win those battles?  

If all you are getting is kids no one else wants, that a bad sign.  If you are signing kids that other staffs want, that is a good sign.

I haven't actually sat down and ran the numbers yet, but is sure feels like this class is getting more kids with more offers than before.  

[GTWT]

1 minute ago, Cerebus said:

If all you are getting is kids no one else wants, that a bad sign. 

Who else wanted Mason Fine?

[Cerebus]

14 minutes ago, GTWT said:

Who else wanted Mason Fine?

For every one recruit that no one wanted that will have success there are a dozen that have no real place on an FBS two deep.   You fill your roster with those and you will lose a lot.  See: Most of our time post DD.

[GTWT]

Dodge & Mac didn't identify those players (wanted by other teams or not) that would contribute to success within the UNT scheme.  The job of the recruiter isn't just winning match-ups against competing coaches, it's identifying those kids you can sign that will be successful in your system.  That means identifying character and academic potential, in addition to athletic ability.

[BillySee58]

1 hour ago, Cerebus said:

For every one recruit that no one wanted that will have success there are a dozen that have no real place on an FBS two deep.   You fill your roster with those and you will lose a lot.  See: Most of our time post DD.

I really think QB is a different animal than other positions, too. So many QBs get offered on size alone (Greer, Means), but you can find undersized QBs who can play on the FBS level but don't have many or any other offers because of height (Kellen Moore, Rakeem Cato, Blake Bogenschutz, Matt Johnson, McKenzie Milton, Mason Fine, etc).

For the same reason, it's also easier for an underrecruited guy to pan out in scat back/slot receiver roles. Chancellor, Harris, Mike Lawrence, Evan Johnson, etc. These guys are underrecruited because of size but as long as they make people miss it doesn't matter.

On the line, tight ends, linebackers, outside receivers, 3-down backs, defensive backs, the more offers the player has, the better chance he has to be good, statistically speaking.

[Wag Tag]

16 minutes ago, BillySee58 said:

I really think QB is a different animal than other positions, too. So many QBs get offered on size alone (Greer, Means), but you can find undersized QBs who can play on the FBS level but don't have many or any other offers because of height (Kellen Moore, Rakeem Cato, Blake Bogenschutz, Matt Johnson, McKenzie Milton, Mason Fine, etc).

For the same reason, it's also easier for an underrecruited guy to pan out in scat back/slot receiver roles. Chancellor, Harris, Mike Lawrence, Evan Johnson, etc. These guys are underrecruited because of size but as long as they make people miss it doesn't matter.

On the line, tight ends, linebackers, outside receivers, 3-down backs, defensive backs, the more offers the player has, the better chance he has to be good, statistically speaking.

It is always nice to have the "athlete" sign on. It creates a lot of flexibility .I still think for us to solidify OL, DL and Linebackers we need to have large Red Shirt classes. If they have the length you can always add quality lbs. Get the bigger wt. room and IPF done asap.

[GrandGreen]

7 hours ago, GTWT said:

Dodge & Mac didn't identify those players (wanted by other teams or not) that would contribute to success within the UNT scheme.  The job of the recruiter isn't just winning match-ups against competing coaches, it's identifying those kids you can sign that will be successful in your system.  That means identifying character and academic potential, in addition to athletic ability.

You have touched all bases on what NT fans have been saying for years to ignore getting beat in recruiting.

 

 

Edited December 23, 2017 by GrandGreen

[JesseMartin]

Glad we're making progress with the defense. Really hope we recruit more on the OL before this class is over though.

[GTWT]

1 hour ago, GrandGreen said:

You have touched all bases on what NT fans have been saying for year to ignore getting beat in recruiting.

 

 

Another way of saying that I don't buy into the perverse negativity so many on this board wallow in.

[greenminer]

I know what’s perversely negative: our history of recruiting and having 1 winning season every ten years.

[Wag Tag]

7 minutes ago, greenminer said:

I know what’s perversely negative: our history of recruiting and having 1 winning season every ten years.

Hmmm how about 3 bowl games  n the last 5 years? Change.

[Got5onIt]

On 12/22/2017 at 10:37 AM, GTWT said:

Who else wanted Mason Fine?

You can’t make your living on the Mason Fine’s of the world. We’re lucky he’s been such a huge pickup but these situations are few and far between. This program will not be successful hoping for this type of luck on a consistent basis. SL has not done well recruiting. Disappointing NT is coming in at 6th....

[Wag Tag]

Has FIU just recruited the best class in recent C-USA history? Also what happened to all the Florida players going to Marshall?  FIU and FAU 

[97and03]

On December 24, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Got5onIt said:

You can’t make your living on the Mason Fine’s of the world. We’re lucky he’s been such a huge pickup but these situations are few and far between. This program will not be successful hoping for this type of luck on a consistent basis. SL has not done well recruiting. Disappointing NT is coming in at 6th....

Better than 10 or 11...

[untjim1995]

On ‎12‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 8:58 PM, Wag Tag said:

Has FIU just recruited the best class in recent C-USA history? Also what happened to all the Florida players going to Marshall?  FIU and FAU 

FIU and FAU hiring Butch Davis and Lane Kiffin helps keep some of those kids who would go to Marshall or other G5s to stay closer to home.

[untjim1995]

On ‎12‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 11:21 AM, Wag Tag said:

Hmmm how about 3 bowl games  n the last 5 years? Change.

Those 5 seasons have totaled a 28-35 record, with 1 bowl win. Its certainly better than it was in the 5 year time period preceding this, when from 2008-2012, we went 15-45, or the 5 years before that, from 2003-2007, when we went 23-37, but none of that is getting us recruiting classes that are in the top quartile of the G5s.

[HoustonEagle]

On 12/23/2017 at 8:58 PM, Wag Tag said:

Has FIU just recruited the best class in recent C-USA history? Also what happened to all the Florida players going to Marshall?  FIU and FAU 

I think we have all learned to be skeptical of 4 star players going to a G5 school.  So we shall see.  

[UNT 90 Grad]

On 12/22/2017 at 10:37 AM, GTWT said:

Who else wanted Mason Fine?

I guess it depends on what is meant by “wanted”.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/sports/johnehoover/john-e-hoover-lg-s-mason-fine-gets-preferred-walk/article_e48236ea-8784-5cdb-b155-12b352ab76f1.html

[Wag Tag]

25 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

Those 5 seasons have totaled a 28-35 record, with 1 bowl win. Its certainly better than it was in the 5 year time period preceding this, when from 2008-2012, we went 15-45, or the 5 years before that, from 2003-2007, when we went 23-37, but none of that is getting us recruiting classes that are in the top quartile of the G5s.

I can agree that we should target top 25% C- USA ranking. If we can hold 6 maybe 5 that would be a positive compared to the last few years. The quality of Qb and Wr has improved greatly. That also needs to become true for all positions. Then maybe we can break 80% on the Natl rankings.

[Got5onIt]

On 1/16/2018 at 1:17 PM, 97and03 said:

Better than 10 or 11...

Yep, but let’s shoot for top 3...

Edited January 19, 2018 by Got5onIt

[VideoEagle]

30 minutes ago, Got5onIt said:

Yep, but let’s shit for top 3...

Umm, why not do something else to get into the Top 3?