DRC: UNT headed to New Orleans Bowl

KingDL1 · December 3, 2017

1 minute ago, Quoner said:

The bowl wanted USM for their profile and bigger profile. How do you fix that if you were a leader here? This choice sucks for me because I can no longer go, but outside of dismantling the bowl system, I don't know how to change it.

There are plenty of valid criticisms for our AD overall still, but the same 5 people puking wishes all over a forum with no backing is not fun. If I am wrong on why I think USM got picked, I also welcome a rebuttal.

It sounds like this was our AD making a choice not the bowls themselves, so it comes across as self inflicted.

Side Show Joe · December 3, 2017

3 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

They said the same when we went 5-6 and got into the 1st NO Bowl. We turned Bourbon Street green.

I would hope every fan would want the same to happen this time, instead of wanting to spite the program because they didn't get what they wanted.

Not trying to spite our program, and it isn't about getting what I want. It is about our leadership doing the best they can to get us the best possible bowl situation. I do not believe they did that. And if this is the best they could do, the they need to get much better.

Truth is, FAU should be down right irate.

Quoner · December 3, 2017

Just now, KingDL1 said:

It sounds like this was our AD making a choice not the bowls themselves, so it comes across as self inflicted.

If it comes out we turned down the Indy bowl, I'll grab a pitchfork and torch with you. Haven't seen that outside of some very special posts to date.

UNTFan23 · December 3, 2017

1 minute ago, KingDL1 said:

It sounds like this was our AD making a choice not the bowls themselves, so it comes across as self inflicted.

What makes you say this was self inflicted?

Cerebus · December 3, 2017

3 minutes ago, KingDL1 said:

It sounds like this was our AD making a choice not the bowls themselves, so it comes across as self inflicted.

I don't know where you are getting that view. WB said first choice was P5. If the writing was on the wall that we would not get that matchup, then I have no problem with him upselling the NO Bowl.

Look I have criticized WB before. I still hate the Liberty series, and I will most likely mail my tickets into the pres when that game comes around to protest it.

However I don't know what he did wrong here if the Indy was unwilling to invite us.

Side Show Joe · December 3, 2017

3 minutes ago, GreenN'walinsVet said:

Cold Hard Facts...and those that we turned down the INDY bowl are where?

You are putting words in my mouth. The cold hard facts are that our leadership didn't do enough to get us a better situation. If the Independence Bowl felt Southern Miss was a better fit, when we are closer to their bowl, then our administration didn't do enough to sell our program to them.

Mean Green Matt · December 3, 2017

6 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

They said the same when we went 5-6 and got into the 1st NO Bowl. We turned Bourbon Street green.

I would hope every fan would want the same to happen this time, instead of wanting to spite the program because they didn't get what they wanted.

Did a conference mate that we beat in 2001 play a power conference school in Shreveport that year? What about in any other the other New Orleans Bowl years?

Quoner · December 3, 2017

2 minutes ago, Side Show Joe said:

You are putting words in my mouth. The cold hard facts are that our leadership didn't do enough to get us a better situation. If the Independence Bowl felt Southern Miss was a better fit, when we are closer to their bowl, then our administration didn't do enough to sell our program to them.

Again, I'm an Independence Bowl Rep itching to pick USM. Talk me out of it using your best arguments.

Cerebus · December 3, 2017

Just now, Mean Green Matt said:

Did a conference mate that we beat in 2001 play a power conference school in Shreveport that year? What about in any other the other New Orleans Bowl years?

No one else went bowling those years. I don't see how that has anything to do with what we are doing.

Some fans won't be able to go, that sucks. I hope that those who can don't decide not to go. The program needs you.

IF YOU ARE ANGRY THAT WE COULDN'T GET A BETTER BOWL TO INVITE US THE VERY WORST THING YOU COULD DO IS NOT TO SHOW UP FOR THIS ONE IF YOU CAN.

BigWillie · December 3, 2017

Part of the reason it would be easier for me personally to have gone to the Indep. bowl was it is only 3 hours away. I could have driven to the game, had a good time, then driven back. No hotel, flight, etc. which save a TON of money.

I have to believe there are many people in my same situation. Multiple that times thousands and I think we have many more people going to Indy.

Side Show Joe · December 3, 2017

1 minute ago, Quoner said:

Again, I'm an Independence Bowl Rep itching to pick USM. Talk me out of it using your best arguments.

No Independence Bowl Rep was itching to pick USM. They all wanted a couple of P5 programs. They settled for USM. Our leadership's job was to sell them on settling for us instead. They obviously didn't do that.

Mean Green Matt · December 3, 2017

Just now, Cerebus said:

No one else went bowling those years. I don't see how that has anything to do with what we are doing.

Some fans won't be able to go, that sucks. I hope that those who can don't decide not to go. The program needs you.

IF YOU ARE ANGRY THAT WE COULDN'T GET A BETTER BOWL TO INVITE US THE VERY WORST THING YOU COULD DO IS NOT TO SHOW UP FOR THIS ONE IF YOU CAN.

I know no one else went bowling. That is my point. There was no reason to be disappointed with New Orleans those years (even at 5-6) because it was literally the best we can do. I want to be very clear, I'm not blaming Wren Baker. I have no clue what happened. But there have been lots of people on here saying over and over how it was not plausible for us to play a P5 school in a bowl game. Well, a team we beat in USM is playing Florida State using a contractual tie in that CUSA has. Seems like that would have been a plausible scenario for us.

As to your bolded text I made that exact point in another thread. Don't mistake disappointment for some sort of lack of support for the program.

KingDL1 · December 3, 2017

1 minute ago, Cerebus said:

I don't know where you are getting that view. WB said first choice was P5. If the writing was on the wall that we would not get that matchup, then I have no problem with him upselling the NO Bowl.

Look I have criticized WB before. I still hate the Liberty series, and I will most likely mail my tickets into the pres when that game comes around to protest it.

However I don't know what we did wrong here if the Indy was unwilling to invite us.

It what it sounded like to me when over the last several days between the lines. Also as the 2nd place team in the conference I would expect to have some options. And those between the line feelings were telling me that someone had made the deal already.

Cerebus · December 3, 2017

1 minute ago, BigWillie said:

I have to believe there are many people in my same situation. Multiple that times thousands and I think we have many more people going to Indy.

In the middle of the week?

Cerebus · December 3, 2017

4 minutes ago, Mean Green Matt said:

As to your bolded text I made that exact point in another thread. Don't mistake disappointment for some sort of lack of support for the program.

Good then we are on the same page.

BTG_Fan1 · December 3, 2017

Wasn’t the Independence Bowl at the UTEP game?

They saw a solid crowd.. and likely went terribly impressed with us struggling at the start vs UTEP (14-7 at half)..

Im sorry but UNT should have rolled out the red carpet for the bowl officials and sold UNT to them.. Huge Fan base that has steadily brought more fans to each game over the season (outside of ODU).. close to home that it could be a day trip as well..

Would have been a solid Turnout to a successful season

Cerebus · December 3, 2017

1 minute ago, KingDL1 said:

It what it sounded like to me when over the last several days between the lines. Also as the 2nd place team in the conference I would expect to have some options. And those between the line feelings were telling me that someone had made the deal already.

What is to say he hadn't already been told they were not going to get an invite by then? USM was bowl eligible weeks ago, Indy probably had a list on their mind going into this weekend. If USM was above us, not much WB can do about it.

What he CAN do going forward is make sure our program grows to the point where next time we are in a similar situation it's a no brainer for us to get the invite over other CUSA teams.

He hasn't been on the job long enough for me to expect him to have fixed decades of neglect by the administration.

KingDL1 · December 3, 2017

5 minutes ago, Quoner said:

Again, I'm an Independence Bowl Rep itching to pick USM. Talk me out of it using your best arguments.

Are you telling me we had no other offers? I find that hard to believe coming in 2nd in the conference with a 9-4 record. I also feel like someone told me that they thought a Belt team was a guaranteed win to get us to 10.

I just don't like it at all.

TreeFiddy · December 3, 2017

1 minute ago, BigWillie said:

Part of the reason it would be easier for me personally to have gone to the Indep. bowl was it is only 3 hours away. I could have driven to the game, had a good time, then driven back. No hotel, flight, etc. which save a TON of money.

I have to believe there are many people in my same situation. Multiple that times thousands and I think we have many more people going to Indy.

I don't necessarily disagree, but a mitigating factor is that it is a mid week game in the middle of the afternoon. There are some negatives to offset the positives. The bowl committee probably looks at your positive (driveable, in and out, don't spend a dime) as a negative and would rather sell hotel rooms, dining, rental cars, etc...

It isn't so black and white, and I highly doubt we had a menu of options we got to select from. My gosh, look at what the conference champ is dealing with. Do you really think we were completely in charge of the decision process?

KingDL1 · December 3, 2017

3 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

In the middle of the week?

That is a dead week for most, if not off already easy to get off.

Cerebus · December 3, 2017

Just now, KingDL1 said:

That is a dead week for most, if not off already easy to get off.

For most isn't the weekend easier to get off?

Side Show Joe · December 3, 2017

14 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

No one else went bowling those years. I don't see how that has anything to do with what we are doing.

Some fans won't be able to go, that sucks. I hope that those who can don't decide not to go. The program needs you.

IF YOU ARE ANGRY THAT WE COULDN'T GET A BETTER BOWL TO INVITE US THE VERY WORST THING YOU COULD DO IS NOT TO SHOW UP FOR THIS ONE IF YOU CAN.

I disagree. I think the worst thing you can do is continue to tolerate this kind of flawed logic. This is supposed to be New Denton. The athletic department needs to think twice before they ever consider taking another NO Bowl invitation again.

Yes, I hope North Texas stomps a mud hole in Troy. And, yes, I hope those that go have a great time while they are there, and certainly hope they all have safe travel. But, I totally understand North Texas fans not willing to lay down some significant money to travel to a New Orleans Bowl they don't even want to be in. Especially when USM is getting to play Florida State in the Independence Bowl. That isn't the same as not supporting the team either.

Edited December 3, 2017 by Side Show Joe

BigWillie · December 3, 2017

Just now, TreeFiddy said:

I don't necessarily disagree, but a mitigating factor is that it is a mid week game in the middle of the afternoon. There are some negatives to offset the positives. The bowl committee probably looks at your positive (driveable, in and out, don't spend a dime) as a negative and would rather sell hotel rooms, dining, rental cars, etc...

It isn't so black and white, and I highly doubt we had a menu of options we got to select from. My gosh, look at what the conference champ is dealing with. Do you really think we were completely in charge of the decision process?

Not at all, but as others have mentioned, we better not have turned it down.

I see your point about selling the hotels, etc, but I would think it does just as good having butts in the seats, especially for the sponsors of the bowls. The city is another thing.

BTG_Fan1 · December 3, 2017

lol Marshall even got a better match up..

mgfan · December 3, 2017

39 minutes ago, Mean Green Matt said:

And there we go...if true, this should have never been allowed to happen. If you look at a map there is no excuse for USM not being in the New Orleans bowl and us being in Shreveport.

+1,000