Under Seth Littrell, UNT is now 6-1 in one score games

KingDL1 · November 5, 2017

This shit kills me

1 hour ago, Caw Caw said:

I agree, but 80 Schollies at UNT doesn't mean 80 guys you want on the field for more than a couple snaps.

hopefully this next season we will have all 85 scholarships, we are fairly young and we will just get better. As this coaching staff fills in the holes and if we can stay healthy it should be a good roll of years. The Oline is you biggest problem for this offense and that started with from almost non-existent last year to marginal this year. Jeffery Wilson is a big help on blocking, this line will improve and with it Fine will get better. Scary good I think, maybe a magic man.

meaniegreenie · November 5, 2017

8 minutes ago, KingDL1 said:

This shit kills me

hopefully this next season we will have all 85 scholarships, we are fairly young and we will just get better. As this coaching staff fills in the holes and if we can stay healthy it should be a good roll of years. The Oline is you biggest problem for this offense and that started with from almost non-existent last year to marginal this year. Jeffery Wilson is a big help on blocking, this line will improve and with it Fine will get better. Scary good I think, maybe a magic man.

Hmmm... "Mason the Magic Man"

BTG_Fan1 · November 5, 2017

7 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

The offense has carried this team most of the way.

Yes, LATech is pretty banged up. Yes, that should open the door for a wider margin of victory than what occurred... but the offense came out a little flat.
What has me excited about this win was
1. ST's didn't blow it for us (No punt returns, very little kick return yardage, no kicking/snapping snafus) as we all hold our breath every time ST's is out there.
2. Defense stepping up to hold LATech's offense to under their average (29.6pts/gm), which, sadly, is not the norm for this D.

The offense (well, passing game) didn't have it clicking yesterday like they normally do. That would normally spell doom for the Mean Green. So yes, there is room for improvement there. I still believe, as do the coaches/team, that we haven't seen this team hit on all cylinders yet. I'm just glad the other 2 phases stepped up to help the offense win yesterday. THAT is what's encouraging to me.

Yes this offense has carried this team at times and it has been out-standing at times... But again, these long droughts of 0 offensive is not good.. Yes this offense came out flat, and that is on the staff because of the lack of energy or maybe it was from the terrible field position to start the game on the UNT like 1 or 2 yardline.. But again, the problem is that this was a game UNT could have turned into a statement game, and we missed that chance.

Yes the we should be excited by what the defense did, and they did what they were supposed to but when they allowed plays it was the same plays over and over.. The duck passes, guys missing tackles, the QB run into the endzone on a flood play.. The defense was good 75-80% of the game with LT having, I believe 5 scoring drives and 1 missed 53-yrd FG that would have put them up.

Yes the ST seemed good compared to the week before but us just hoping for us to not blow out a wheel or shoot our-self in the foot is bad, basically we are happy just being 50/50 on ST.

I agree, we have not seen a full game of everything clicking, and yes it was encouraging the defensive and ST output compared to what they have done in other games this year.. This defense has had 2 solid games and can still improve. The offense needs to get back in the rhythm and they SHOULD vs UTEP/Rice and Army.. But again, this LT game was a game that UNT could have made a huge statement just like we did vs USM... USM we showed we could dish out the punishment vs a normal power teams of CUSA with a double digit win on the road, and LT we should have done that again. Everyone is happy with the W, the only difference between fans is the idea that a 1 point win vs a very injured LT team (majority of fans) and that we should have won by more (minority of fans).. This was a game that UNT if it had put up a USM performance could/would have washed away alot of the bad memories of FAU and impressed A LOT people from recruits to HS coaches..

KingDL1 · November 5, 2017

4 hours ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

Yes this offense has carried this team at times and it has been out-standing at times... But again, these long droughts of 0 offensive is not good.. Yes this offense came out flat, and that is on the staff because of the lack of energy or maybe it was from the terrible field position to start the game on the UNT like 1 or 2 yardline.. But again, the problem is that this was a game UNT could have turned into a statement game, and we missed that chance.

Yes the we should be excited by what the defense did, and they did what they were supposed to but when they allowed plays it was the same plays over and over.. The duck passes, guys missing tackles, the QB run into the endzone on a flood play.. The defense was good 75-80% of the game with LT having, I believe 5 scoring drives and 1 missed 53-yrd FG that would have put them up.

Yes the ST seemed good compared to the week before but us just hoping for us to not blow out a wheel or shoot our-self in the foot is bad, basically we are happy just being 50/50 on ST.

I agree, we have not seen a full game of everything clicking, and yes it was encouraging the defensive and ST output compared to what they have done in other games this year.. This defense has had 2 solid games and can still improve. The offense needs to get back in the rhythm and they SHOULD vs UTEP/Rice and Army.. But again, this LT game was a game that UNT could have made a huge statement just like we did vs USM... USM we showed we could dish out the punishment vs a normal power teams of CUSA with a double digit win on the road, and LT we should have done that again. Everyone is happy with the W, the only difference between fans is the idea that a 1 point win vs a very injured LT team (majority of fans) and that we should have won by more (minority of fans).. This was a game that UNT if it had put up a USM performance could/would have washed away alot of the bad memories of FAU and impressed A LOT people from recruits to HS coaches..

What is up with you?

Two seasons ago: 1-11 and that one win might have been the sorriest game I ever saw, where both teams were doing all they could to lose. If we are trying to lose but win is that really a win?

Last season ago: 5 - 8 Brand New System all new Coaches 1st year. With at bowl game, with almost every area of the team needing work yet we went to a bowl game. Got the extra practice. Starting QB pulled, Fine True freshman Started most of the game until hurt.

This year mid season: 6 - 3 with probably 5 games left: Second season with Littrell you seem to think we can ask for more. Fine is a true Sophomore named starter with an iffy OLine and looking like he will break every passing record this team has ever had. We have beat 3 teams with winning records something the bowl year teams did not seem capable of. La Tech could finish with a winning record. We may finish 11 - 3 and you are worried. Lets see what Fine can do his sophomore year. I think year three we will see finishing off teams and domination.

A season and half past a horrible 1 - 11 season and you are not happy if we are not beating each team like a polished 4 year championship team and we are sitting at 6 - 3.

BTG_Fan1 · November 6, 2017

7 hours ago, KingDL1 said:

What is up with you?

A season and half past a horrible 1 - 11 season and you are not happy if we are not beating each team like a polished 4 year championship team and we are sitting at 6 - 3.

What is up, is that we as fans should not be just happy with a 1 Point win vs a team in LT that has been wrecked by injuries.. People on here were legitimately pissed off after beating UAB by 3 but yet totallly happy beating a bunch of 2/3rd team guys by 1.. Yes it’s LT so on paper it was a solid w, but looking deeper it was not because of injuries.. We can keep saying oh we were 1-11 2 years ago but no players, coaches, AD office use it as an excuse. SL has had 2 recruiting classes and nearly 50 of his own guys on this team. LT could have and should have been a statement game.. UNT made a statement vs USM saying we are real and ready to play, UTSA was a statement to local kids that this team will fight, and LT was the chance to prove throughout the conference we are back and that FAU was just a hiccup. We can say oh the guys SL has aren’t as talented, that is a damn joke as well.. Jenkins a kid with multiple offers was on the bench to a Hall who had 0 offers, and Jenkins came in and replaced a Preseason All CUSA 1st Team.. our 2 likely defensive MVPs in EJ and Khari had 0 other offers... Fine beat out Morris, Lawerence beat out Darden and went from 1 catch last year to possibly the most consistent on the team, with Barr being replaced by the JUCO C with 0 offers as well..

Ive said it 100 times, but no one is mad or disappointed we won.. I’m disappointed we didn’t win by 10/15 points because this team has the ability to score at WILL, if it focuses and wants too (just look at Wilson determination vs LT, he was not going to be stopped).. You win that game by 10/15 and you make a point that UNT is the contender and it’s the passing of the torch potentially from LT to UNT as the model, along with making a huge statement to recruits and HS coaches.

Fans can be happy with a 1 Point win, but give me 10/15 point wins like USM and you will start seeing more fans and students.. You will see recruiting pick up as well and the idea of UNT being a bottom dweller go away as well.

greenminer · November 6, 2017

TL,DR: You're not mad but you want more.

Got it. What's the fuss?

KingDL1 · November 6, 2017

10 hours ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

What is up, is that we as fans should not be just happy with a 1 Point win vs a team in LT that has been wrecked by injuries.. People on here were legitimately pissed off after beating UAB by 3 but yet totallly happy beating a bunch of 2/3rd team guys by 1.. Yes it’s LT so on paper it was a solid w, but looking deeper it was not because of injuries.. We can keep saying oh we were 1-11 2 years ago but no players, coaches, AD office use it as an excuse. SL has had 2 recruiting classes and nearly 50 of his own guys on this team. LT could have and should have been a statement game.. UNT made a statement vs USM saying we are real and ready to play, UTSA was a statement to local kids that this team will fight, and LT was the chance to prove throughout the conference we are back and that FAU was just a hiccup. We can say oh the guys SL has aren’t as talented, that is a damn joke as well.. Jenkins a kid with multiple offers was on the bench to a Hall who had 0 offers, and Jenkins came in and replaced a Preseason All CUSA 1st Team.. our 2 likely defensive MVPs in EJ and Khari had 0 other offers... Fine beat out Morris, Lawerence beat out Darden and went from 1 catch last year to possibly the most consistent on the team, with Barr being replaced by the JUCO C with 0 offers as well..

Ive said it 100 times, but no one is mad or disappointed we won.. I’m disappointed we didn’t win by 10/15 points because this team has the ability to score at WILL, if it focuses and wants too (just look at Wilson determination vs LT, he was not going to be stopped).. You win that game by 10/15 and you make a point that UNT is the contender and it’s the passing of the torch potentially from LT to UNT as the model, along with making a huge statement to recruits and HS coaches.

Fans can be happy with a 1 Point win, but give me 10/15 point wins like USM and you will start seeing more fans and students.. You will see recruiting pick up as well and the idea of UNT being a bottom dweller go away as well.

A what speed do you expect to go from super suck to dominating champion?

Last I checked we are a season and half from worst year I can remember. I would think by next year you will see the results you would like. Hell if our OLine had not be obliterated when Littrell arrived I might expect a bit more. I would love to see blow out after blow out also. We are lining up to have our best record since 1947? How much do want complain? We could have a 11 - 3 season 8 - 5 I think at worst.

http://cfbinfo.com/team/north-texas-mean-green

BTG_Fan1 · November 6, 2017

3 hours ago, KingDL1 said:

A what speed do you expect to go from supper suck to dominating champion?

Last I checked we are a season and half from worst year I can remember. I would think by next year you will see the results you would like. Hell if our OLine had not be obliterated when Littrell arrived I might expect a bit more. I would love to see blow out after blow out also. We are lining up to have our best record since 1947? How much do want complain? We could have a 11 - 3 season 8 - 5 I think at worst.

http://cfbinfo.com/team/north-texas-mean-green

We have the #16 offense in the Nation, and had a top 60/70 defense last year, this year it’s 100+! The #16 offense only got 24 points vs a bunch of backups.. A P5 WR in Guyton, couldn’t handle man to man vs a True Freshman CB at LT?

FAU in game 7 of its system set a conference record for yardage.. they single handily raised the PPG we allow by 5!

We are closer to the end of season 2 than we are we to the start of season 2.. how long do we keep riding this they need time to develop? Georgia state fired its HC and he got hired the same time as SL.. SL let go of TP and everyone is over Biagi but yet give the other phases of the game time to adjust still when the OD/DC have been here a year longer... Missouri fires its DC after something like 2 or 3 games this year..

This team beat expectations last year and it has/ will tie/beat most everyone’s this year.. Instead of us settling for single digit wins, let’s do something bigger. The complaint is not with the record, it’s with the margin of victory.. we are -3 points on the season. We wonder why we don’t recruit well, well it’s because we never put anyone away or we get our butts kicked.., a 1pt victory is nice vs a P5 but a 1pt vs a bunch of g5 backups isn’t impressive, even if it’s a solid program like LT)

Ben Gooding · November 6, 2017

1 hour ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

We have the #16 offense in the Nation, and had a top 60/70 defense last year, this year it’s 100+! The #16 offense only got 24 points vs a bunch of backups.. A P5 WR in Guyton, couldn’t handle man to man vs a True Freshman CB at LT?

FAU in game 7 of its system set a conference record for yardage.. they single handily raised the PPG we allow by 5!

We are closer to the end of season 2 than we are we to the start of season 2.. how long do we keep riding this they need time to develop? Georgia state fired its HC and he got hired the same time as SL.. SL let go of TP and everyone is over Biagi but yet give the other phases of the game time to adjust still when the OD/DC have been here a year longer... Missouri fires its DC after something like 2 or 3 games this year..

This team beat expectations last year and it has/ will tie/beat most everyone’s this year.. Instead of us settling for single digit wins, let’s do something bigger. The complaint is not with the record, it’s with the margin of victory.. we are -3 points on the season. We wonder why we don’t recruit well, well it’s because we never put anyone away or we get our butts kicked.., a 1pt victory is nice vs a P5 but a 1pt vs a bunch of g5 backups isn’t impressive, even if it’s a solid program like LT)

Though I understand this point, but LaTech has been recruiting very, very well for 5+ yeras. Therefore, their backups aren't a bunch of former walkons or blue shirt players. Recruiting quality players over a period of time provides quality depth. They weren't throwing scarecrows out on the field vs us. If you want to bang your head about not beating a team by more, go to last week. Winning vs LaTech in the Skip Holtz era will be considered a good win by me. Regardless of what anyone wants to say, we got out coached. We were on the road and found a way to win.

Cerebus · November 6, 2017

6 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

Regardless of what anyone wants to say, we got out coached. We were on the road and found a way to win.

LaTech blew a double digit lead with 39 seconds left in the first half. From that point on we outscored LaTech by double digits... doesn't that kind of implied we made the adjustments and they didn't?

UNTFan23 · November 6, 2017

9 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

LaTech blew a double digit lead with 39 seconds left in the first half. From that point on we outscored LaTech by double digits... doesn't that kind of implied we made the adjustments and they didn't?

When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Ben Gooding · November 6, 2017

12 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

LaTech blew a double digit lead with 39 seconds left in the first half. From that point on we outscored LaTech by double digits... doesn't that kind of implied we made the adjustments and they didn't?

The flow of the game indicated we were being out coached. Our D stood up to the challenge, surprisingly. Our offensive staff was outcoached by their defensive staff. From the first snap, our O looked stagnant and unable. And it pretty much permeated throughout the game. SL still cost this team 7 points on that fumble. That alone is a coaching blunder if there ever was one. The inept play calling of putting the ball in the bands of Mason Fine like he's a 5th year senior when there is a clydesdale on this team waiting to go 20 for 165. He should've been 20 for 165 at the end of the 3rd quarter. The 4th should've been icing.

2 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

When you are a hammer, everyone looks like a nail.

FIFY

Edited November 6, 2017 by Ben Gooding

MeanGreenTexan · November 6, 2017

1 minute ago, Ben Gooding said:

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FIFY

Cerebus · November 6, 2017

1 minute ago, Ben Gooding said:

there is a clydesdale on this team waiting to go 20 for 165.

You think maybe the reason there is so much reason for Wilson to run is because they can't cheat everyone up to stop him? This is a balanced attack. You can't abandon any part of it or else they start keying in on what is left.

Abandoning one part of the game is exactly what got us into the FAU debacle. Coaches limited the run and limited what types of completion they wanted to try and catch up. We are a bad offense if we try to be one dimensional. You have to keep every part getting tries, even if they don't succeed, to keep the defense honest.

That is the entire point of the offense that SL is running.

UNTFan23 · November 6, 2017

1 minute ago, Cerebus said:

That is the entire point of the offense that SL is running.

Rushing attempts - 341 / 51.2%

Passing attempts - 325 / 48.8%

Pretty balanced in my opinion.

Ben Gooding · November 6, 2017

10 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

You think maybe the reason there is so much reason for Wilson to run is because they can't cheat everyone up to stop him? This is a balanced attack. You can't abandon any part of it or else they start keying in on what is left.

Abandoning one part of the game is exactly what got us into the FAU debacle. Coaches limited the run and limited what types of completion they wanted to try and catch up. We are a bad offense if we try to be one dimensional. You have to keep every part getting tries, even if they don't succeed, to keep the defense honest.

That is the entire point of the offense that SL is running.

They abandon the run quite frequently. In many games. And the whole keying, this is BS. I mean, it certainly isn't not true in games. But in this game it didn't apply. Keying or not, they couldn't stop the run game from the get go. He ran 20 times for 165 yards. His long was 20. This alone tells me his in game average of 8.25 ypc was a true 8.25 given there were no 60-70-80 yard scampers. LaTech was vulnerable up front and we passed the ball 36 times for a whopping 200 yards. That's not good or smart football no matter the amount of sugar you try spraying this with.

5 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

Rushing attempts - 341 / 51.2%

Passing attempts - 325 / 48.8%

Pretty balanced in my opinion.

Yes, they are balanced. There is no denying that. But in-game situations should take precedence over your desire for a balanced play sheet.

Edited November 6, 2017 by Ben Gooding

Cerebus · November 6, 2017

11 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

And the whole keying, this is BS.

Ah, I am glad you have corrected me. Go ahead and tell Mike Leach his offense can't score points and I am sure he will be relieved.

VideoEagle · November 6, 2017

I've never seen a record book with "10-2* *but they didn't win by enough or beat anyone we consider worthy."

Someone let me know if they find that someplace.

Ben Gooding · November 6, 2017

18 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

Ah, I am glad you have corrected me. Go ahead and tell Mike Leach his offense can't score points and I am sure he will be relieved.

Take one excerpt from what I say and create a quote out of it. It basically lying. Takes what the poster is saying out of his context and puts it into your own. Something you have a habit of doing. Typically happens when the debate is closing in on you.

Oh, and not sure I get the point?? Mike Leach rarely has a balanced attack. SoOoOoO

Edit: Wazzou this season - 539 pass attempts. 264 rush attempts.

Edited November 6, 2017 by Ben Gooding

MeanGreen_MBA · November 6, 2017

16 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

Take one excerpt from what I say and create a quote out of it. It basically lying. Takes what the poster is saying out of his context and puts it into your own. Something you have a habit of doing. Typically happens when the debate is closing in on you.

Oh, and not sure I get the point?? Mike Leach rarely has a balanced attack. SoOoOoO

Edit: Wazzou this season - 539 pass attempts. 264 rush attempts.

You ever think that SL wants to pitch-count Wilson's runs? He has a history of getting hurt. We still need him for the Conf. Championship game run, and whatever Bowl we play. SL seems to know what he is doing, but am sure he is eagerly anticipating your call on the sideline to tell him what he needs to do to win a game....or 6....

Cerebus · November 6, 2017

19 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

Take one excerpt from what I say and create a quote out of it.

Quoting you = lying. Got it.

Ben Gooding · November 6, 2017

Just now, MeanGreen_MBA said:

You ever think that SL wants to pitch-count Wilson's runs? He has a history of getting hurt. We still need him for the Conf. Championship game run, and whatever Bowl we play. SL seems to know what he is doing, but am sure he is eagerly anticipating your call on the sideline to tell him what he needs to do to win a game....or 6....

Run the ball, period. Don't give a damn with who. The game dictated it, and we went against it.

That's all I am saying.

MeanGreen_MBA · November 6, 2017

3 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

Run the ball, period. Don't give a damn with who. The game dictated it, and we went against it.

That's all I am saying.

Won the game....that's all I'm saying. You talked specifically about Wilson...give him the ball

Ben Gooding · November 6, 2017

Just now, Cerebus said:

Quoting you = lying. Got it.

Quoting a sentence from a paragraph when the surrounding sentences explain exactly why I said what I said is lying, yes.

golfingomez · November 6, 2017

1 hour ago, Ben Gooding said:

The flow of the game indicated we were being out coached. Our D stood up to the challenge, surprisingly. Our offensive staff was outcoached by their defensive staff. From the first snap, our O looked stagnant and unable. And it pretty much permeated throughout the game. SL still cost this team 7 points on that fumble. That alone is a coaching blunder if there ever was one. The inept play calling of putting the ball in the bands of Mason Fine like he's a 5th year senior when there is a clydesdale on this team waiting to go 20 for 165. He should've been 20 for 165 at the end of the 3rd quarter. The 4th should've been icing.

FIFY

We gained 35 yards on our first 4 plays.