My Adopted Player, Andy Flusche, Was Robbed

AustinFromUNT · September 11, 2017

Actually one of the worst calls I've seen since I've been a UNT fan. This was right after we had an INT and could have potentially helped us with momentum.

FirefightnRick · September 11, 2017

Just another bad call in the 30 years I've been watching.

What I'd like to see is the evidence that showed it wasn't a catch, because everything the public has been showed doesn't warrant an overrule.

Rick

TreeFiddy · September 11, 2017

And WTF was the explanation? He did not maintain control of the ball? While on his back and the ball never touching the ground? The explanation made no sense.

Ben Gooding · September 11, 2017

38 minutes ago, AustinFromUNT said:

Actually one of the worst calls I've seen since I've been a UNT fan. This was right after we had an INT and could have potentially helped us with momentum.

I received a text immediately after it was overturned from a friend watching that it was an interception and UNT just got blatantly jobbed.

Edited September 11, 2017 by Ben Gooding

keith · September 11, 2017

There have been bad calls since the beginning of time. Instant replay was supposed to fix it. When instant replay is used to make a bad call, well that's just a kick in the nether regions. UNT has been kicked there a lot.

UNTLifer · September 11, 2017

The ruling was he never had control of the ball. Total B.S. He caught it, controlled it and rolled over on his back holding the ball. A SMU player then slapped the ball out of his hands.

The other call that stood out to me was the holding call in the end zone that resulted in a safety and nullified a great throw by Fine and catch by, I believe, Lawrence. The call was on Murray, but the one replay I saw didn't look like a hold at all.

What conference were the officials from?

Ben Gooding · September 11, 2017

11 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

The ruling was he never had control of the ball. Total B.S. He caught it, controlled it and rolled over on his back holding the ball. A SMU player then slapped the ball out of his hands.

The other call that stood out to me was the holding call in the end zone that resulted in a safety and nullified a great throw by Fine and catch by, I believe, Lawrence. The call was on Murray, but the one replay I saw didn't look like a hold at all.

What conference were the officials from?

Interception, obvious bad all.

On the replay and in live action I was not able to see a hold. Then I was not able to hear who the call was on. I told a guy that I was speaking with at the game, if that was a hold it was called on an interior linemen because no one on the perimeter was holding. So, IOW, it was a BS phantom call.

To add, both of these horrid calls led to points for SMU.

Edited September 11, 2017 by Ben Gooding

Censored by Laurie · September 11, 2017

I mean...just to make us feel better...did anyone ever see a replay of the chop-block on Jeff Wilson that negated a big play by Kelvin Smith early on?

MeanGreenTexan · September 11, 2017

2 minutes ago, Censored by Laurie said:

I mean...just to make us feel better...did anyone ever see a replay of the chop-block on Jeff Wilson that negated a big play by Kelvin Smith early on?

I don't remember one on Wilson, but I do remember one on Jordan Murray. Didn't see a reply of it, but I remember thinking, "How does a 6'9 guy get called for a chop block? Even if he attempted a chop block, he'd still likely hit the guy in the waist!"

Censored by Laurie · September 11, 2017

1 minute ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

I don't remember one on Wilson, but I do remember one on Jordan Murray. Didn't see a reply of it, but I remember thinking, "How does a 6'9 guy get called for a chop block? Even if he attempted a chop block, he'd still likely hit the guy in the waist!"

I remember the official calling both numbers...isn't that typically the situation where a player is engaged with an OL like Murray and a back comes in too low?

MEANGREENCOACH2 · September 11, 2017

2 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

I don't remember one on Wilson, but I do remember one on Jordan Murray. Didn't see a reply of it, but I remember thinking, "How does a 6'9 guy get called for a chop block? Even if he attempted a chop block, he'd still likely hit the guy in the waist!"

Murray was in contact with the defensive lineman, then Wilson comes in low therefore the illegal chop block.

TreeFiddy · September 11, 2017

In real time, it did not look like a hold, but after watching a replay, Murray did in fact have a handful of jersey in his left hand. However, it was more of a letter of the law call versus being an obvious hold. Did not appear to influence the play imo as Fine was already well outside of the tackle box and away from the area where the hold took place.

The chop block was bang/bang. I did not see that the OL was actively engaged where his hands were actually on the defender at the time Wilson went low, but probably too close to put up much of an argument. Wilson has to know better.

The INT call was just a blown call, and after a replay no less. Just bad.

Green Crazy · September 11, 2017

the interception was horribly called.

the hold was ticky tac, but i didn't have a big problem with it after seeing the replay. the thing that pissed me off the most on that replay was how the end for smu bull rushed our 6'9" 330 tackle and succeeded.

Big E · September 11, 2017

4 hours ago, AustinFromUNT said:

Actually one of the worst calls I've seen since I've been a UNT fan. This was right after we had an INT and could have potentially helped us with momentum.

Agreed! The homecooking by this AAC officiating crew was nauseating and the fact that they let the home sideline influence their calls was crazy (toward the end of the game when the momentum of our defenders caused the running back to fall backwards as they blew the whistles. Have these officials never played tackle football?! It is a scientific impossibility to instantly stop yourself from falling forward once you have fully committed to a tackle...before the whistle). The home sideline and crowd starts yelling and then the official throws a flag. Unbelievable! Junior high officials would get that call right...as a no call!

DeepGreen · September 11, 2017

Clearly a terrible call.

Rudy · September 12, 2017

I didn't get to see it until just now. That ranks up there with the tu robbery and Riley's pass going off the line man's helmet and back in the air 7 yards being called a fumble.

UNT 90 Grad · September 12, 2017

Sad seeing Andy taking the ball to the bench, cradling it, obviously planning to keep it, prideful of the pick, then hearing the officials overturn the call. I'm speechless.

Ben Gooding · September 12, 2017

17 hours ago, Big E said:

Agreed! The homecooking by this AAC officiating crew was nauseating and the fact that they let the home sideline influence their calls was crazy (toward the end of the game when the momentum of our defenders caused the running back to fall backwards as they blew the whistles. Have these officials never played tackle football?! It is a scientific impossibility to instantly stop yourself from falling forward once you have fully committed to a tackle...before the whistle). The home sideline and crowd starts yelling and then the official throws a flag. Unbelievable! Junior high officials would get that call right...as a no call!

Yep. There was some home cooking there. Are you sure this was an all AAC officiating crew? I did not think that OOC games could have a crew exclusively from one or the other conference?

The chop block, that took away a big play and killed momentum, was very questionable. It was a bang/bang play. As in the OL had initiated contact, released, and then Wilson took the player out below. Nowhere in the rule book does it state that a player can't be blocked high and low on the same play so as long as it's not at the same time.

The holding call was a ticky tack call. Holding, by the law, could be called literally every play if the refs so chose. There was nothing blatant about what Jordan Murray did on the play to warrant a holding flag. This play also took away a big momentum play (not to mention a great play) and gave SMU 2 points plus the ball in good field position.

And of course the interception. A badly needed turnover for UNT a the time...Negated for, just, reasons. Horrid call.

Big E · September 12, 2017

27 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

Yep. There was some home cooking there. Are you sure this was an all AAC officiating crew? I did not think that OOC games could have a crew exclusively from one or the other conference?

The chop block, that took away a big play and killed momentum, was very questionable. It was a bang/bang play. As in the OL had initiated contact, released, and then Wilson took the player out below. Nowhere in the rule book does it state that a player can't be blocked high and low on the same play so as long as it's not at the same time.

The holding call was a ticky tack call. Holding, by the law, could be called literally every play if the refs so chose. There was nothing blatant about what Jordan Murray did on the play to warrant a holding flag. This play also took away a big momentum play (not to mention a great play) and gave SMU 2 points plus the ball in good field position.

And of course the interception. A badly needed turnover for UNT a the time...Negated for, just, reasons. Horrid call.

I'm not sure if it was all AAC. I didn't see the called chop block play from my seat, but I did see that Jordan Murray had good position with his hands on the called holding play. I couldn't understand how they could call that. When playing a team like SMU, those are the kind of calls that make a big difference in momentum. At the end of the day, we just got beat. I just hate to see numerous questionable calls against us at such critical moments in the game. There is no doubt, though, that SMU is talented and well-coached. Chad Morris is doing a really good job. I expect they will have a good year and go bowling this year.

Hunter Green · September 13, 2017

13 hours ago, Big E said:

I'm not sure if it was all AAC. I didn't see the called chop block play from my seat, but I did see that Jordan Murray had good position with his hands on the called holding play. I couldn't understand how they could call that. When playing a team like SMU, those are the kind of calls that make a big difference in momentum. At the end of the day, we just got beat. I just hate to see numerous questionable calls against us at such critical moments in the game. There is no doubt, though, that SMU is talented and well-coached. Chad Morris is doing a really good job. I expect they will have a good year and go bowling this year.

Will be interesting to see what they can do with TCU.