DRC: Friday notes (Lamar arrives, captains named, picks update)

[Brett Vito]

DRC: Be sure to e-mail me your picks for UNT's record

http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/mean-green/2017/09/01/friday-afternoon-notes-record-picks-update

Edited September 1, 2017 by Brett Vito

[Travis]

Did I read this right?!

 

We have a QB commit that is second string???

[UNTcrazy727]

4 minutes ago, Travis said:

Did I read this right?!

 

We have a QB commit that is second string???

Who is backing up a senior QB that doesn't have any scholarship offers??? That can't be right...

[AustinFromUNT]

7-6 and 6-7 seem to be the most popular picks. I would be very happy with either.

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

1 hour ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

Who is backing up a senior QB that doesn't have any scholarship offers??? That can't be right...

Littrell and Harrell know more than some ol' penny ante high school coach?

 

[Cr1028]

Who was the top qb choice for next year, Bean or Martin?

[Ben Gooding]

#goodfit....they say. 

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

2 hours ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

Who is backing up a senior QB that doesn't have any scholarship offers??? That can't be right...

Actually, Chandler must be a junior because his 247 thing says Class of 2019.

Maybe Vito can sniff out the problem/issue here.  Is Chandler just that good that he's forced the Lake Ridge coaches to have him split time with Bean?  Is Bean hurt?

If Bean isn't hurt and Chandler, a junior, has just flat beaten him out...? 

That really does say something toward what needs to be said about offering guys too early in the process.  If there is no injury to Bean, and he's been beaten out by a junior, you also have to wonder whether or not his commitment to us was a result of Louisiana Tech and Colorado State pulling their offer off the table.

Again, perhaps Vito can do some asking around to the coaches, player himself, etc.  At any rate, if it turns out Bean can't beat out another junior at his own school, it's unlikely he shows up here and challenges for the job very quickly.

 

1 hour ago, Ben Gooding said:

#goodfit....they say. 

Gotta have guys on the roster that just throw to receivers during the practices while the 1s are going.  Everyone plays a part.

[BTG_Fan1]

Now we are questioning the Bean Commitment, really???? when he had multiple offers from schools like LAT, SMU, Colorado Stste, and 2 others (don't recall off the top of my head)... 

This makes no sense.. either we go by offer lists, ratings but pick one.. 3 weeks ago when he committed everyone praised the lord and now the sky is falling... freaking out over Bean is like people freaking out over the "gas-shortage", a waste of time..

Edited September 2, 2017 by BTG_Fan1

[Ben Gooding]

1 minute ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

Now we are questioning the Bean Commitment, when he has multiple offers from schools like LAT, SMU, Colorado Stste, and 2 others.. 

this makes no sense.. either we go by offer lists, ratings but pick one.. 3 weeks ago when he committed everyone praised the lord and now the sky is falling... freaking out over Bean is like people freaking out over the "gas-shortage", a waste of time..

I don't think anyone is freaking out. I think it's as simple as people wondering how one of our QB commits isn't starting at his own high school. This has nothing to do with ratings or offer sheets. 

[BTG_Fan1]

1 minute ago, Ben Gooding said:

I don't think anyone is freaking out. I think it's as simple as people wondering how one of our QB commits isn't starting at his own high school. This has nothing to do with ratings or offer sheets. 

People are freaking out, thinking Bean is hurt, not talented, etc... couldn't it just be both kids are talented and they want to get exposure to both kids.. one is gone after the year, and the other will be around for 1 more year.. they are likely playing both now before district games start later in the year.. what is this like week 1 or 2 of the HS season, let it be.. 

Bean is a fine QB and Vito said he got to play, who cares.. the kid had a great offer list and he can play.. if Bean were playing then yes it's worrisome but again SL, GH and others aren't mailing this stop in at UNT.. why do we have to keep thinking they are recruiting kids that won't perform?

Hell, if we are comparing coaches and who has gotten guys to produce GH did better than Ek,Davis, Perry last year... EK didn't bring in any talent that is starting this year or next year likely, Davis OL managed but i don't recall any of his guys playing, and Perry I don't think even landed a recruit.. LeBlanc is the only one who improved his position group that left, with him bringing in English and Hambone... GH brought in Fine, Izzy, Pearson, and turned Quinn around as well.. to think these coaches are out recruiting non talented kids is dumb..

Bean will be fine, and so will Martin and everyone else.. I don't care if they split time or anything and we shouldn't either, hell Brammer was a TE/P and now he is potentially 1 snap away from being the starting RT.. the coaches should worry about it because likely if they can't get guys to produce at UNT, they won't be coaching in college football much longer but not us... our worry should be Lamar, then SMU, then Iowa, and so on.. 

[Ben Gooding]

9 minutes ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

People are freaking out, thinking Bean is hurt, not talented, etc... couldn't it just be both kids are talented and they want to get exposure to both kids.. one is gone after the year, and the other will be around for 1 more year.. they are likely playing both now before district games start later in the year.. what is this like week 1 or 2 of the HS season, let it be.. 

Bean is a fine QB and Vito said he got to play, who cares.. the kid had a great offer list and he can play.. if Bean were playing then yes it's worrisome but again SL, GH and others aren't mailing this stop in at UNT.. why do we have to keep thinking they are recruiting kids that won't perform?

Hell, if we are comparing coaches and who has gotten guys to produce GH did better than Ek,Davis, Perry last year... EK didn't bring in any talent that is starting this year or next year likely, Davis OL managed but i don't recall any of his guys playing, and Perry I don't think even landed a recruit.. LeBlanc is the only one who improved his position group that left, with him bringing in English and Hambone... GH brought in Fine, Izzy, Pearson, and turned Quinn around as well.. to think these coaches are out recruiting non talented kids is dumb..

Bean will be fine, and so will Martin and everyone else.. I don't care if they split time or anything and we shouldn't either, hell Brammer was a TE/P and now he is potentially 1 snap away from being the starting RT.. the coaches should worry about it because likely if they can't get guys to produce at UNT, they won't be coaching in college football much longer but not us... our worry should be Lamar, then SMU, then Iowa, and so on.. 

No. I'm going to worry about it. I mean, obviously lose 0 winks of sleep about it, but still worry about it when his name is brought up. It's hopeful that he did have a good offer sheet, but another level of worrisome that a lot of those offers were pulled. It's all great to get guys in here that can throw balls in practice. But, team stability = QB stability. Again, not freaking out or even overly worried about it, but it's at minimum concerning. 

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

5 hours ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

People are freaking out, thinking Bean is hurt, not talented, etc... couldn't it just be both kids are talented and they want to get exposure to both kids.. one is gone after the year, and the other will be around for 1 more year.. they are likely playing both now before district games start later in the year.. what is this like week 1 or 2 of the HS season, let it be.. 

Bean is a fine QB and Vito said he got to play, who cares.. the kid had a great offer list and he can play.. if Bean were playing then yes it's worrisome but again SL, GH and others aren't mailing this stop in at UNT.. why do we have to keep thinking they are recruiting kids that won't perform?

Hell, if we are comparing coaches and who has gotten guys to produce GH did better than Ek,Davis, Perry last year... EK didn't bring in any talent that is starting this year or next year likely, Davis OL managed but i don't recall any of his guys playing, and Perry I don't think even landed a recruit.. LeBlanc is the only one who improved his position group that left, with him bringing in English and Hambone... GH brought in Fine, Izzy, Pearson, and turned Quinn around as well.. to think these coaches are out recruiting non talented kids is dumb..

Bean will be fine, and so will Martin and everyone else.. I don't care if they split time or anything and we shouldn't either, hell Brammer was a TE/P and now he is potentially 1 snap away from being the starting RT.. the coaches should worry about it because likely if they can't get guys to produce at UNT, they won't be coaching in college football much longer but not us... our worry should be Lamar, then SMU, then Iowa, and so on.. 

Look, it's pretty simple:  the guy has a offer from us, has committed, yet he's not even the starter at his high school.  He came off the bench yesterday and...did not lead his team to a comeback victory.  Instead, he threw two  interceptions, helping the other school seal their comeback victory.

So, again, if he's injured, that's one thing and understandable.  But, if this is what we really have committed to us, a senior who gets beat out by a junior...this isn't someone who is going to be close to FBS-ready next year...and, probably not the year after either, if ever. 

You kind of expect guys with FBS offers to be starters...in high school!  Worst case scenario is Colorado State and Louisiana Tech did pull their offers, he panicked and committed to us, comes here on scholarship, never starts a game for us.  The upside is that he'll get tuition, room and board paid for and a stipend for four years while he rides the pine.

Edited September 2, 2017 by MeanGreenMailbox

[BTG_Fan1]

1 minute ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

Look, it's pretty simple:  the guy has a offer from us, has committed, yet he's not even the starter at his high school.  He came off the bench yesterday and...did not lead his team to a comeback victory.  Instead, he threw two  interceptions, helping the other school seal their comeback victory.

So, again, if he's injured, that's one thing and understandable.  But, if this is what we really have committed to us, a senior who gets beat out by a junior...this isn't someone who is going to be close to FBS-ready next year...and, probably not the year after either, if ever. 

You kind of expect guys with FBS offers to be starters.  Worst case scenario is Colorado State and Louisiana Tech did pull their offer, he panicked and committed to us, comes here on scholarship, never starts a game for us.  The upside is that he'll get tuition, room and board paid for and a stipend for for years while he rides the pine.

They (CSU, LaT)  pulled them because they had other QBs commit.. Teams don't offer with the hope a kid doesn't commit to them.. 

we have no idea how ready he will or will not be, we all thought Fine would RS but he was playing in the 4th Quarter of the first game...

The point everyone keep overlooking is this staff is young, and likely want to get onto bigger/better jobs (sorry but it's true).. they aren't like Mac who is here till he is told not to come back.. These Coaches aren't out here picking up kids who will never perform, they are trying to get the best.. 

this is hilarious less than a month ago, everyone was on a high from landing Bean (because of his list with what was and wasn't still current) and now some fans are acting as if he isn't even worthy of an offer (and likely some wouldn't want it pulled)... 

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

Let's see how the season progresses.  If he's not injured and not starting, he's not gaining much playing experience, even at the high school level.

I doubt that when Littrell and Harrell pulled the trigger on this kids that they anticipated he'd be on the bench his senior year.

(By the way...if this Chandler kid is that good, be the first to offer him!)

 

[BTG_Fan1]

1 hour ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

Let's see how the season progresses.  If he's not injured and not starting, he's not gaining much playing experience, even at the high school level.

I doubt that when Littrell and Harrell pulled the trigger on this kids that they anticipated he'd be on the bench his senior year.

(By the way...if this Chandler kid is that good, be the first to offer him!)

SL and GH have been in contact with his coach, dear lord can we please making up excuses! 

He is likely to RS even if he played.. he will be behind Fine, Quinn, Izzy, Pearson and competing with Martin as well.. this logic/idea that he won't be ready is so dumb.. 

He had a great offer list, and now we are worried.. who knows why we haven't offered Chandler, could it be UNT and the staff likes The major donors Son/Grandson more and they are likely looking at QBs as well.. who knows we may not like Chandler because he is splitting Reps this year if he were to commit.

[Ben Gooding]

7 hours ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

SL and GH have been in contact with his coach, dear lord can we please making up excuses! 

He is likely to RS even if he played.. he will be behind Fine, Quinn, Izzy, Pearson and competing with Martin as well.. this logic/idea that he won't be ready is so dumb.. 

He had a great offer list, and now we are worried.. who knows why we haven't offered Chandler, could it be UNT and the staff likes The major donors Son/Grandson more and they are likely looking at QBs as well.. who knows we may not like Chandler because he is splitting Reps this year if he were to commit.

Something about pot and kettle...

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

On 9/2/2017 at 0:09 AM, BTG_Fan1 said:

SL and GH have been in contact with his coach, dear lord can we please making up excuses! 

He is likely to RS even if he played.. he will be behind Fine, Quinn, Izzy, Pearson and competing with Martin as well.. this logic/idea that he won't be ready is so dumb.. 

He had a great offer list, and now we are worried.. who knows why we haven't offered Chandler, could it be UNT and the staff likes The major donors Son/Grandson more and they are likely looking at QBs as well.. who knows we may not like Chandler because he is splitting Reps this year if he were to commit.

If Chandler, a junior, is good enough to start over a guy you've already promised a scholarship, a senior, why wouldn't you offer him?  He's getting more work than they guy you've promised a scholarship, and will have two years of starting under his belt when he arrives on campus...unlike they guy you've already promised a scholarship.

[BTG_Fan1]

37 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

If Chandler, a junior, is good enough to start over a guy you've already promised a scholarship, a senior, why wouldn't you offer him?  He's getting more work than they guy you've promised a scholarship, and will have two years of starting under his belt when he arrives on campus...unlike they guy you've already promised a scholarship.

I have no idea why we haven't offered nor does anyone likely outside of JayD.

could it be they prefer Bean and Martin in the 2018 class with no QB in 2019? could it be UNT is only going for the Boosters grandson Kuenke (or however its spelt).., 

this whole logic that Bean is now a bad QB is so stupid, and this is why we keep going in circles as a fan base...

[Ben Gooding]

6 minutes ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

I have no idea why we haven't offered nor does anyone likely outside of JayD.

could it be they prefer Bean and Martin in the 2018 class with no QB in 2019? could it be UNT is only going for the Boosters grandson Kuenke (or however its spelt).., 

this whole logic that Bean is now a bad QB is so stupid, and this is why we keep going in circles as a fan base...

Oh, this is why? It has nothing to do with being a perpetual loser? And while being this loser, the common sense people can look at what created the losing and direct it to recruiting. And when those losing recruiting classes of past are stacking up with our current recruiting classes, it's concerning.

Every single coach (and naive fan base) with a shitty or great recruiting class will vomit up the exact lines on NSD, almost verbatim. You know, the classic, "We filled some needs", or, "We're excited about a couple guys that can help right away", or, "We believe we landed some guys we can develop", or, etc. etc. I think you get it. Let's be a smarter fan base. 

 

[BTG_Fan1]

19 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

Oh, this is why? It has nothing to do with being a perpetual loser? And while being this loser, the common sense people can look at what created the losing and direct it to recruiting. And when those losing recruiting classes of past are stacking up with our current recruiting classes, it's concerning.

Every single coach (and naive fan base) with a shitty or great recruiting class will vomit up the exact lines on NSD, almost verbatim. You know, the classic, "We filled some needs", or, "We're excited about a couple guys that can help right away", or, "We believe we landed some guys we can develop", or, etc. etc. I think you get it. Let's be a smarter fan base. 

The circle continues.. first we don't like a kids offer list... once The offer list is good and we are happy, then it's his ratings and why isn't he a 3*.. and then we find something else to complain about like his playing time, level of competition, etc... Evan johnson alone proved how wrong that logic is, and yes it was vs Lamar, but it's likely the most playing time he will get all year and the kid looked the part of a D1 RB... 

On here it's a continuation cycle of doubting the staff to fit into whatever people want to push. They get paid to do this, and we get paid to do whatever who do.. I don't see anyone questioning use to the degree of our ability our jobs.. 

We can keep doubting the staff but nearly every scholarship kid that has played that SL brought in has performed(or have been RSed).. The only ones who haven't have been Wyche and Peters off the top of my head.. 

Fine, Jenks, Muhammad, Hall, Hood, Morris, Hambone, among others with limited action (rico, mayfield, McDonald, Ej, Tyler Wilson) Have produced and play critical roles.. we can doubt them but they have added around 11 guys not counting STs that have come in and played certain roles and improved a guys like Murray, Barr, Smiley... 

Keep doubting the staff.. they already done more with a crappier roster than SMU and other schools that we seem to praise in recruiting.. 

[TheReal_jayD]

36 minutes ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

The circle continues.. first we don't like a kids offer list... once The offer list is good and we are happy, then it's his ratings and why isn't he a 3*.. and then we find something else to complain about like his playing time, level of competition, etc... Evan johnson alone proved how wrong that logic is, and yes it was vs Lamar, but it's likely the most playing time he will get all year and the kid looked the part of a D1 RB... 

On here it's a continuation cycle of doubting the staff to fit into whatever people want to push. They get paid to do this, and we get paid to do whatever who do.. I don't see anyone questioning use to the degree of our ability our jobs.. 

We can keep doubting the staff but nearly every scholarship kid that has played that SL brought in has performed(or have been RSed).. The only ones who haven't have been Wyche and Peters off the top of my head.. 

Fine, Jenks, Muhammad, Hall, Hood, Morris, Hambone, among others with limited action (rico, mayfield, McDonald, Ej, Tyler Wilson) Have produced and play critical roles.. we can doubt them but they have added around 11 guys not counting STs that have come in and played certain roles and improved a guys like Murray, Barr, Smiley... 

Keep doubting the staff.. they already done more with a crappier roster than SMU and other schools that we seem to praise in recruiting.. 

You are fighting a losing battle! You present all valid points! But some will just gripe to hear themselves gripe. And will just stay negative just so one day if things go bad they can pat themselves on the back and say "I told you so" 

Edited September 4, 2017 by TheReal_jayD

[Ben Gooding]

20 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

You are fighting a losing battle! You present all valid points! But some will just gripe to hear themselves gripe. And will just stay negative just so one day if things go bad they can pay themselves on the back and say "I told you so" 

Didn't read his post. I'm sure much of the same. 

No one is doing this so they can toss out a, "I told you so." 

If you can block out the negative of this current scenario, the scenario that a QB commit of ours is a 2nd string QB on his HS team, and shine some positivity on it then I am all ears..... . .   .   .     . 

Is this kid Matt Cassel 2.0? If so, great. Fine, and then Pearson better win the Heisman. Or more realistic, Fine will need to be good/better as he develops and Pearson will need to be patient until his RS Jr year to see the field. And when he does, it'll need to be seamless. In this scenario, it's a moot point. But the QB situation here has never been that fluid, so I wouldn't bet on that. 

[TheReal_jayD]

2 hours ago, Ben Gooding said:

Didn't read his post. I'm sure much of the same. 

No one is doing this so they can toss out a, "I told you so." 

If you can block out the negative of this current scenario, the scenario that a QB commit of ours is a 2nd string QB on his HS team, and shine some positivity on it then I am all ears..... . .   .   .     . 

Is this kid Matt Cassel 2.0? If so, great. Fine, and then Pearson better win the Heisman. Or more realistic, Fine will need to be good/better as he develops and Pearson will need to be patient until his RS Jr year to see the field. And when he does, it'll need to be seamless. In this scenario, it's a moot point. But the QB situation here has never been that fluid, so I wouldn't bet on that. 

 

1) UNT offered Bean for the same reason the other handful off FBS schools (including SMU and LA Tech). Because they saw skills and potential. Has he regressed? Idk. Does the JR fit what lake ridge coaches are trying to do better? Idk. But by your theory he had 5 fbs offer so he should be as close to a sure thing as anybody. The coaching staff liked the kid. His play and his personality. If he stays committed he will have a chance to come in and earn a starting spot like the rest of the freshman. If he needs to be red shirted he will be redshirted. 

 

2) idk the point of trying to predict the QB position for the next 4 years. I believe the coaching staff idea is to get as many viable QB options as possible. Let them compete. And have options in case of injuries. Unlike the last staff who would recruit one has QB every 2 years. And snaq a juco ever now and again. I believe QBs are like O lineman you can never have too many. 

[BTG_Fan1]

2 hours ago, Ben Gooding said:

Didn't read his post. I'm sure much of the same. 

No one is doing this so they can toss out a, "I told you so." 

If you can block out the negative of this current scenario, the scenario that a QB commit of ours is a 2nd string QB on his HS team, and shine some positivity on it then I am all ears..... . .   .   .     . 

Is this kid Matt Cassel 2.0? If so, great. Fine, and then Pearson better win the Heisman. Or more realistic, Fine will need to be good/better as he develops and Pearson will need to be patient until his RS Jr year to see the field. And when he does, it'll need to be seamless. In this scenario, it's a moot point. But the QB situation here has never been that fluid, so I wouldn't bet on that. 

Who the hell cares if he #2, if he is playing that is all we should care about.. He has/had the skills to earn multiple D1 offers, which you have said (basically) is the measuring stick of a solid recruit...What QB on our current roster has a better offer list than Bean? Better yet, which recruit QB out of HS (that we have signed) has had an offer list as good or better?

By your logical, all those programs that recruit and pick up back up players on programs like Desoto, Allen, Southlake in the past were wasting their time because these kids didn't start.. Hell games last year Pearson didn't even play the 2nd half.. did we say anything then, or even bring up the slightest worry in the world, nope because he took the 1st snap instead of the last snap.. Select people are nervous about Bean because of a random paragraph in a random article posted by Vito....

Worrying about Bean in HS is like this stupid/made up gas shortage... You are worrying about a kid who isn't even stepping in to a game for UNT this year, let alone the kid hasn't even signed with UNT yet (again so STUPID),..... You're pissing into the wind and its getting all over yourself with these pointless worries...