2nd Year Expectation For Littrell

[AustinFromUNT]

I think 6 wins is a reasonable expectation for this second year. I would like to see more of course, but I would be happy with 6.

[BTG_Fan1]

I want to see progress in terms of going from the 110+ range in offense to the 80s.. Defense, I want to see them come out and dominate more than just in flashes and have them be able to be a top 3/4/5 defense in Cusa.. Our defense wore down last year but it was fantastic at Florida and I think it was may have been more impressive then the @ army game..

for SL, I wanna see 6/6+ wins  which would mean another bowl.. just getting to back to back bowls would be huge for a lot of us fans. 

Id like to see a bowl W, but people will not like this, but just getting to a bowl and having another solid game is good enough for me in terms of the issues that SL had inherited. yes he is in year 2 and those shouldn't be used anymore but he him going from 60 something scholarships to 80 this season is huge along with losing half the staff. Year 3 I would like to see the bowl W be the requirement for SL and that's something all of us likely would have been happy with when he came here considering the state we were in.

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2 hours ago, AustinFromUNT said:

I think 6 wins is a reasonable exectation for this second year. I would like to see more of course, but I would be happy with 6.

The question is if we are successful... and does SL sticks around or get offers other places (if he does what happens with UNT contract? another renewel?)

If we are successful which coaches do we lose? Are we able to keep Reff, Brown, Mainford, Koontz, Langston (if the OL progresses)... 

Edited August 29, 2017 by BTG_Fan1

[Ben Gooding]

A competitive spirit in the W's and L's. 

Better play calling. 

A head hunting defense. 

[North Texas Shep]

Bowl game.

[untjim1995]

6 wins is a reasonable expectation if all things are equal (no major injuries at key positions or major suspensions/arrests). I'd be a bit disappointed at 5 wins, but it won't annoy me. Anything under 5 wins is just bad...

[MeanGreenTexan]

21 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

6 wins is a reasonable expectation if all things are equal (no major injuries at key positions or major suspensions/arrests). I'd be a bit disappointed at 5 wins, but it won't annoy me. Anything under 5 wins is just bad...

I'll be disappointed & annoyed.   6 wins is acceptable.  7 wins is expected.  8+ wins is gravy.

Want to be touted as a team that is finally getting it right?  Finally turning it around?  Finally ready to be taken seriously?    ... Don't be stagnant at, or under, .500.

[untjim1995]

53 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

I'll be disappointed & annoyed.   6 wins is acceptable.  7 wins is expected.  8+ wins is gravy.

Want to be touted as a team that is finally getting it right?  Finally turning it around?  Finally ready to be taken seriously?    ... Don't be stagnant at, or under, .500.

I tend to agree here with all of this...but it is North Texas and placing too much hope on football mediocrity has burned me too many times over the last 26 years of following the program.

To back up my point on this, since 1991, when I first started at UNT, I've seen us have a winning season exactly 5 times...thru the SLC, Independent, Big West, SBC, and now CUSA. That's I-aa and I-A, FCS and FBS, Fouts, Texas Stadium, and Apogee, ADs of Steve Sloan, Craig Helwig, RV, and now Wren Baker, and HFCs Dennis Parker, Matt Simon, Darrell Dickey, Todd Dodge, Dan McCarney, Mike Canales, and Seth Littrell. That's 26 years of ball that has seen 21 losing seasons. 2 seasons of 9 wins, 1 season with 8 wins, 2 seasons with 7 wins, 4 seasons with 5 wins, 4 seasons with 4 wins, 6 seasons with 3 wins, 5 seasons with 2 wins, and 2 seasons with 1 win.

A collective record of 106 wins and 199 losses and 2 ties, a winning percentage of .345.

.500 would be a drastic upgrade at this point...

[MeanGreenTexan]

1 minute ago, untjim1995 said:

I tend to agree here with all of this...but it is North Texas and placing too much hope on football mediocrity has burned me too many times over the last 26 years of following the program.

To back up my point on this, since 1991, when I first started at UNT, I've seen us have a winning season exactly 5 times...thru the SLC, Independent, Big West, SBC, and now CUSA. That's I-aa and I-A, FCS and FBS, Fouts, Texas Stadium, and Apogee, ADs of Steve Sloan, Craig Helwig, RV, and now Wren Baker, and HFCs Dennis Parker, Matt Simon, Darrell Dickey, Todd Dodge, Dan McCarney, Mike Canales, and Seth Littrell. That's 26 years of ball that has seen 21 losing seasons. 2 seasons of 9 wins, 1 season with 8 wins, 2 seasons with 7 wins, 4 seasons with 5 wins, 4 seasons with 4 wins, 6 seasons with 3 wins, 5 seasons with 2 wins, and 2 seasons with 1 win.

A collective record of 106 wins and 199 losses and 2 ties, a winning percentage of .345.

.500 would be a drastic upgrade at this point...

#NewDenton

Also...
#Haveyouseenhowmuch$$ourHCmakes?
#NewStandards

[untjim1995]

2 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

#NewDenton

Also...
#Haveyouseenhowmuch$$ourHCmakes?
#NewStandards

Yep--you are exactly right...but my MG heart has been burned more than my pea-brained MG mind can believe...

Edited August 29, 2017 by untjim1995

[GMG_Dallas]

I want 7 wins during the regular season that way no matter what happens with the bowl game we finish above .500, either 7-6 or 8-5. While finishing 6-6 regular season would be nice, I don't want to finish below .500 even if it is 6-7.

[GRN-WHT]

I expect 6 wins. 

Anything less, his seat gets warm next season. We're paying him good money. .500 football isn't an unreasonable expectation. 

[oldguystudent]

Until proven otherwise, I expect 15-0 at the beginning of every season. 

[untjim1995]

40 minutes ago, GRN-WHT said:

I expect 6 wins. 

Anything less, his seat gets warm next season. We're paying him good money. .500 football isn't an unreasonable expectation. 

I think his seat won't get warm until the 2020 season at the earliest, just because of his recent extension of an added year on that contract. Maybe the precedent has been set that we won't accept colossal losing anymore and buyouts aren't ever an issue again...I think the McCarney firing after that Portland State fiasco was completely warranted and sent the right signal to everyone. I just don't want anymore Tony Benford situations to occur again here, where he gets to coach a contract year because the other buyouts were just too much to bear...

[Ben Gooding]

2 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

I think his seat won't get warm until the 2020 season at the earliest, just because of his recent extension of an added year on that contract. Maybe the precedent has been set that we won't accept colossal losing anymore and buyouts aren't ever an issue again...I think the McCarney firing after that Portland State fiasco was completely warranted and sent the right signal to everyone. I just don't want anymore Tony Benford situations to occur again here, where he gets to coach a contract year because the other buyouts were just too much to bear...

This is absolutely asinine. If he doesn't get to 6 wins this year, the seat warming button should be pressed. 

[Green Lantern]

7 wins.

[BTG_Fan1]

3 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

I'll be disappointed & annoyed.   6 wins is acceptable.  7 wins is expected.  8+ wins is gravy.

Want to be touted as a team that is finally getting it right?  Finally turning it around?  Finally ready to be taken seriously?    ... Don't be stagnant at, or under, .500.

We gotta be reasonable here.. if we see major problems in terms of injuries or lack of development at QB/OL/S then it could be a long season.. and with that being said I hope it doesn't come to that but if it does then don't waste a season, turn it into a evaluation period.. not like SL is on the hot seat and nor should he be

56 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

This is absolutely asinine. If he doesn't get to 6 wins this year, the seat warming button should be pressed. 

I agree it should be warm if they are playing the normal guys and they aren't performing.. if they can't get to 6 Ws because of injuries/youth then that should be given a minor break.. 

SL should have some credit earned up to prevent from being on the hot seat (completely) after taking 1-11 to a bowl last year.. 

[MeanGreenTexan]

37 minutes ago, BTG_Fan1 said:

We gotta be reasonable here.. if we see major problems in terms of injuries or lack of development at QB/OL/S then it could be a long season.. and with that being said I hope it doesn't come to that but if it does then don't waste a season, turn it into a evaluation period.. not like SL is on the hot seat and nor should he be

I agree it should be warm if they are playing the normal guys and they aren't performing.. if they can't get to 6 Ws because of injuries/youth then that should be given a minor break.. 

SL should have some credit earned up to prevent from being on the hot seat (completely) after taking 1-11 to a bowl last year.. 

6-6 is "reasonable" after what happened last year, and looking at Littrell's previous trends of offensive explosions in year 2 at each of stops.   Improvement must be made past .500.   Sub-.500 stagnation, or worse, regression, is NOT reasonable/acceptable.   Not with the new standards around here.

Injuries are something everyone will face.   QB position is better than last year, because the best QB we had last year is a year older/wiser in the system.
As for OL, what they lack in the departure of Rice and Keenan, they pick up in experience in the system with all of the returning starters.
S?  Safety is a pretty solid group.  Not nearly as worried about them as I am LB.

Littrell took his "credit" to the bank, and cashed in to a cool $million/yr and only earned himself more expectations.  It's on him to deliver.

[BTG_Fan1]

Just now, MeanGreenTexan said:

6-6 is "reasonable" after what happened last year, and looking at Littrell's previous trends of offensive explosions in year 2 at each of stops.   Improvement must be made past .500.   Sub-.500 stagnation, or worse, regression, is NOT reasonable/acceptable.   Not with the new standards around here.

Injuries are something everyone will face.   QB position is better than last year, because the best QB we had last year is a year older/wiser in the system.
As for OL, what they lack in the departure of Rice and Keenan, they pick up in experience in the system with all of the returning starters.
S?  Safety is a pretty solid group.  Not nearly as worried about them as I am LB.

Littrell took his "credit" to the bank, and cashed in to a cool $million/yr and only earned himself more expectations.  It's on him to deliver.

SL track record of offensive explosions in year 2 was with him at OC.. Not HC, and im going to doubt he takes playcalling away from GH.. The offense yes needs to progress but thats on GH.

Again, I'm saying we need to be real with the results.. Last year SL and the staff got way more out of this team than they should have... It can go the other way as well, just look at mac (not saying SL is mac)... If SL and the staff ends up playing Pearson, Darden, White, Mose, Parish, Brammer, Newman, Johnson, Davis, Fulp because the starters at the start of the year can't cut it, then we need to come to real idea that we take our lumps this year and that may not result in a bowl... Yes that is disappointing, but I would rather not lose a year playing older guys and we got 5-7 when we can play younger guys and get them game experience and go 4-8... 

Yes QB looks better but again, only 1 of these guys have thrown multiple passes in a D1 game.. OL yes we are replacing 2 keys in Rice/Keenan but it wasn't like they were all conference guys (and they still struggled)... Safety we are replacing Gray with a Khari (who played in limited spots) and we still have 2 younger guys backing up McClain and Khari in a true freshman in Sanders and RS SO behind McClain. 

We can say that SL cashed in his credit, but that wasn't done just because of a successful year.. It was done to redo the contract that RV left for WB..  Again, we can assume what may happen but we have no idea or what the conditions will be at the end of the season. If SL plays a bunch of young guys and we go 5-7 again, yes it sucks but if it means 2/3/4 guys from Darden/White/Pearson/Davis/ Fulp, etc are all show true talent like we saw in Hambone then we shouldn't view it as a complete lose of a season. 

[Mean Green 93-98]

A little reminder . . .

The last time we had a coach bring us continued success on a national level . . .

His first year, we went 5-5-1, 5-1 in conference and tied for first.

His second year, we went 2-7-2, with only 1 win in conference.

Then things picked up and eventually took off.

 

[TheTastyGreek]

I think Coach DiBiase needs to have a winning record or issue a substantial refund. 

Just this guy's opinion, of course. 

[BTG_Fan1]

On 8/29/2017 at 9:29 PM, Mean Green 93-98 said:

A little reminder . . .

The last time we had a coach bring us continued success on a national level . . .

His first year, we went 5-5-1, 5-1 in conference and tied for first.

His second year, we went 2-7-2, with only 1 win in conference.

Then things picked up and eventually took off.

 

So you're then cheering for us to lose?

[Matt from A700]

Anything less than a bowl appearance will be a disappointment.

[97and03]

3 hours ago, Matt from A700 said:

Anything less than a bowl appearance will be a disappointment.

Pretty much my thoughts. Even another APR bowl, but with a win would be ok-ish. 

[EagleMBA]

Some will settle for nothing short of walking on water but I think we're in for one helluva good try at it. Our coach appears to have what it takes to guide this team to a winning (not perfect) season.

[UNTLifer]

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