Fire & Fury

AustinFromUNT · August 9, 2017

Do you think it is dangerous for President Trump to further escalate the situation with North Korea? Do you think we'll end up going to war with them? Other thoughts?

ItsSparky · August 9, 2017

Dangerous? Nah. No present danger from Korea of the North. If and when that day comes, it'll probably go just as POTUS believes it will. Just thankful it's only North Korea and not a world power. Kim and those bastards are crazy but being stuck in 1962 doesn't help their chances.

MeanGreenTexan · August 9, 2017

18 minutes ago, ItsSparky said:

Dangerous? Nah. No present danger from Korea of the North. If and when that day comes, it'll probably go just as POTUS believes it will. Just thankful it's only North Korea and not a world power. Kim and those bastards are crazy but being stuck in 1962 doesn't help their chances.

The second he decides to send a missile over the border towards Seoul or across the Sea of Japan, then it's U.S VS China... allies & all.

GreenMachine · August 9, 2017

14 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

The second he decides to send a missile over the border towards Seoul or across the Sea of Japan, then it's U.S VS China... allies & all.

No its not. China isn't getting in a war with the US over a little piss ant country like NK. Even China is getting tired of their crap along with all of the UN as shown with a 15-0 vote for more crippling sanctions. Also, Kim is ignorant but he isn't that ignorant. Blowing smoke like he does is one thing, actually following through is completely different. Before NK does anything stupid like launch a missile at anyone, someone in Kim's inner group will put a bullet in his head.

UNTLifer · August 9, 2017

3 minutes ago, GreenMachine said:

someone in Kim's inner group will put a bullet in his head.

Talk about chaos. They place would fall into disarray quicker than Iraq.

GreenMachine · August 9, 2017

3 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

Talk about chaos. They place would fall into disarray quicker than Iraq.

I wouldn't call it an orderly unit now.

Harry · August 9, 2017

What can he do. This leader in NK is pushing the limits unlike ever seen before. And sanctions never seem to work.

I was thinking the other night, I wish there was some type of bunker or way to evacuate out of South Korea because that is the main leverage NK has over us. A lot of innocent people in South Korea would lose their life over this which is a damn shame. I also feel bad for the people of NK as they are just pawns in this deal.

DeepGreen · August 9, 2017

1 hour ago, GreenMachine said:

"someone in Kim's inner group will put a bullet in his head".

The world would be a better place if this were to happen. And I predict it will happen.

All About UNT · August 9, 2017

China would never go to war with the US over NK. They view NK like one would view their black sheep little brother that goes around the neighborhood wanting to fight everyone only rushing back to the big brother to get protection.

The reason China "protects" them is because if NK becomes a failed state then all the refugees will flew north. To the south NK has built massive minefields and when NK refugees do leave for SK they almost always go through China. They hardly need millions of refugees all clamoring for manufacturing jobs to flood their cities while China struggles to employ their own people. It is well known that this point that many people in NK have Chinese cellphones and even are accessing Chinese internet (esp in the northern cities) as their portal to the outside world. The black market in NK is the only reason the Kim Regime has not fallen. Think of it as the same as the Saudi Royal Family allowing Wahhabi schools and terrorist groups to ferment on SA lands. Don't be naive and think that the NK people are not aware of what occurs in the outside world.

Over the course of the last 30 years the NK tactic of saber-rattling tends to intensify when they need something. That something has almost always been food. They will "settle down" for 2 million bags of rice. I am not saying that we should cave in and satisfy this childish behavior but merely pointing out their tendencies to escalate conflict when they had a bad harvest.

President Bigly has stated that if NK persists they will see "fire and fury like the world has never seen" which we know is bullshit rhetoric from a guy desperate for a Wag the Dog scenario. Orange loves to speak of things as if they are the greatest of all time. We all know that Hiroshima and Nagasaki are not events to tout as if they are "fuck you we're the best" scenarios. They were arguably necessary events to bring about the closure of the War in the Pacific. You didn't see Truman spouting off about being super-duper powerful and bigly. He acted presidential......which.... this clown will never be capable of. Notice he is super quick to talk shit about NK knowing they won't ever actually go to war.... while we wait for him to say anything bad about Russia's hacking into the DNC and RNC? Or all of the bots that Russia has employed on Social Media in order to spread false news or to hype minor events.

TLDR... No we won't go to war with NK because China would step in and broker the peace. Or there is always the case that someone slips through the cracks and takes out Kim Jung Un thought he has been extremely proficient at purging his closest circle. Either way... the Draft Dodger in Chief doesn't need to embarrass us with bigly-time statements like Fire and Fury that only make the situation worse and make us look like a circus sideshow. Speak softly and carry a big stick or some such recommendation.

4 hours ago, Harry said:

What can he do. This leader in NK is pushing the limits unlike ever seen before. And sanctions never seem to work.

I was thinking the other night, I wish there was some type of bunker or way to evacuate out of South Korea because that is the main leverage NK has over us. A lot of innocent people in South Korea would lose their life over this which is a damn shame. I also feel bad for the people of NK as they are just pawns in this deal.

This is not true.... NK actually sent a platoon of assassins to the Blue House (SK Whitehouse) in 1968 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_House_raid to assassinate the President of SK. I would call that the biggest escalation since the cessation of hostilities on the DMZ.

GreenMachine · August 9, 2017

33 minutes ago, All About UNT said:

China would never go to war with the US over NK. They view NK like one would view their black sheep little brother that goes around the neighborhood wanting to fight everyone only rushing back to the big brother to get protection.

The reason China "protects" them is because if NK becomes a failed state then all the refugees will flew north. To the south NK has built massive minefields and when NK refugees do leave for SK they almost always go through China. They hardly need millions of refugees all clamoring for manufacturing jobs to flood their cities while China struggles to employ their own people. It is well known that this point that many people in NK have Chinese cellphones and even are accessing Chinese internet (esp in the northern cities) as their portal to the outside world. The black market in NK is the only reason the Kim Regime has not fallen. Think of it as the same as the Saudi Royal Family allowing Wahhabi schools and terrorist groups to ferment on SA lands. Don't be naive and think that the NK people are not aware of what occurs in the outside world.

Over the course of the last 30 years the NK tactic of saber-rattling tends to intensify when they need something. That something has almost always been food. They will "settle down" for 2 million bags of rice. I am not saying that we should cave in and satisfy this childish behavior but merely pointing out their tendencies to escalate conflict when they had a bad harvest.

President Bigly has stated that if NK persists they will see "fire and fury like the world has never seen" which we know is bullshit rhetoric from a guy desperate for a Wag the Dog scenario. Orange loves to speak of things as if they are the greatest of all time. We all know that Hiroshima and Nagasaki are not events to tout as if they are "fuck you we're the best" scenarios. They were arguably necessary events to bring about the closure of the War in the Pacific. You didn't see Truman spouting off about being super-duper powerful and bigly. He acted presidential......which.... this clown will never be capable of. Notice he is super quick to talk shit about NK knowing they won't ever actually go to war.... while we wait for him to say anything bad about Russia's hacking into the DNC and RNC? Or all of the bots that Russia has employed on Social Media in order to spread false news or to hype minor events.

TLDR... No we won't go to war with NK because China would step in and broker the peace. Or there is always the case that someone slips through the cracks and takes out Kim Jung Un thought he has been extremely proficient at purging his closest circle. Either way... the Draft Dodger in Chief doesn't need to embarrass us with bigly-time statements like Fire and Fury that only make the situation worse and make us look like a circus sideshow. Speak softly and carry a big stick or some such recommendation.

This is not true.... NK actually sent a platoon of assassins to the Blue House (SK Whitehouse) in 1968 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_House_raid to assassinate the President of SK. I would call that the biggest escalation since the cessation of hostilities on the DMZ.

Or he could draw a line in the sand like someone else to only retreat from that line like a coward.

All About UNT · August 9, 2017

35 minutes ago, GreenMachine said:

Or he could draw a line in the sand like someone else to only retreat from that line like a coward.

Yeah cool story. You're right he's super tough and stuff. You know those bone spurs and his personal Vietnam of STDs. Real tough guy. If you're talking about Obama drawing a line in Syria that was definitely a mistake but was also during a phase in the Civil War were there actually was a slightly democratic-leaning Rebel group which later got taken over by jihadists. but you keep being an expert on shit that you're not an expert on

GreenMachine · August 9, 2017

5 minutes ago, All About UNT said:

Yeah cool story. You're right he's super tough and stuff. You know those bone spurs and his personal Vietnam of STDs. Real tough guy. If you're talking about Obama drawing a line in Syria that was definitely a mistake but was also during a phase in the Civil War were there actually was a slightly democratic-leaning Rebel group which later got taken over by jihadists. but you keep being an expert on shit that you're not an expert on

Did I melt you a bit? Making a statement, a truthful one, is now being an expert.

Did Barry make that statement, draw a line in the sand....yes

Did Barry walk back from that statement and not follow through.....yes

Please point out what part of my statement is incorrect.

All About UNT · August 9, 2017

Just now, GreenMachine said:

Did I melt you a bit? Making a statement, a truthful one, is now being an expert.

Did Barry make that statement, draw a line in the sand....yes

Did Barry walk back from that statement and not follow through.....yes

Please point out what part of my statement is incorrect.

Yeah you're right he did walk back. He walked back from engaging Assad's Syrian Arab Army which is allied with Russia who controls your buddy Donnie. I would love to pick your brain about the idiosyncrasies of the conflict in Syria but I have a feeling you don't have a whole lot to offer on the subject

GreenMachine · August 9, 2017

53 minutes ago, All About UNT said:

Yeah you're right he did walk back. He walked back from engaging Assad's Syrian Arab Army which is allied with Russia who controls your buddy Donnie. I would love to pick your brain about the idiosyncrasies of the conflict in Syria but I have a feeling you don't have a whole lot to offer on the subject

You have those feelings based on what? It's obvious my statement got you upset, I was just asking a simple, basic question. yes, there are many moving parts in the Syrian War, numerous ethnic groups working for and against each other and alliances going to the highest bidder. My simple statement was that Barry made a very stern statement and when Al-Assad didn't play along like he hoped, he walked back from his statement. Barry was well aware of the idiosyncrasies that existed.

El Paso Eagle · August 9, 2017

Many are bashing President Trump for his comments about North Korea. How many of these same people would go crazy if, God forbid this nut in N.K. fired a missile at the U.S. for doing nothing to stop them.

P.S. - A couple of things about their missile program -

1) it didn't just start up when Trump was elected. Why did the other nations let it get this far?

2) I would love to see who is really behind the rapid growth in technology. My guess, China

GreenMachine · August 9, 2017

3 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

Many are bashing President Trump for his comments about North Korea. How many of these same people would go crazy if, God forbid this nut in N.K. fired a missile at the U.S. for doing nothing to stop them.

P.S. - A couple of things about their missile program -

1) it didn't just start up when Trump was elected. Why did the other nations let it get this far?

2) I would love to see who is really behind the rapid growth in technology. My guess, China

My guess is Iran.

All About UNT · August 10, 2017

6 hours ago, GreenMachine said:

My guess is Iran.

Well your guess is not based in reality. Russia is responsible for launching NK's program in the late 50's. They trained the scientists and taught them everything they needed to know. Roughly 60 years later those scientists have cultivated enough research to internally create bombs. They created their first Nuke Reactor in the mid-80s and of course once they have completed that task the bomb portion is a matter of time. Pakistan is responsible NK's access to modern nuclear weapon tech. Either way.......Iran and NK learned about nuclear technology from the Russians. You know... the guys that pay Donnie to look after their interests.

GreenMachine · August 10, 2017

15 minutes ago, All About UNT said:

Well your guess is not based in reality. Russia is responsible for launching NK's program in the late 50's. They trained the scientists and taught them everything they needed to know. Roughly 60 years later those scientists have cultivated enough research to internally create bombs. They created their first Nuke Reactor in the mid-80s and of course once they have completed that task the bomb portion is a matter of time. Either way.......Iran and NK learned about nuclear technology from the Russians. You know... the guys that pay Donnie to look after their interests.

I stated my opinion, quit being an asshole. Several news sources has stated the same. (That Iran has provided nuclear components to NK, not that you are an asshole). But if they met you, I am sure they would agree. And as far as the Russians paying anybody, look at the exorbitant speaking fees they paid slick Willy and donations to the Clinton Foundation.

Edited August 10, 2017 by GreenMachine

All About UNT · August 10, 2017

3 minutes ago, GreenMachine said:

I stated my opinion, quit being an asshole. Several news sources has stated the same. (That Iran has provided nuclear components to NK, not that you are an asshole). But if they met you, I am sure they would agree.

UNTLifer · August 10, 2017

Love it when an Admin calls people out and is a dick about. Kind of lose your credibility when trying to enforce the board rules, but that is just my opinion.

GreenMachine · August 10, 2017

6 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Love it when an Admin calls people out and is a dick about. Kind of lose your credibility when trying to enforce the board rules, but that is just my opinion.

He does it often. Very hypocritical in my opinion.

KRAM1 · August 10, 2017

16 hours ago, All About UNT said:

Yeah cool story. You're right he's super tough and stuff. You know those bone spurs and his personal Vietnam of STDs. Real tough guy. If you're talking about Obama drawing a line in Syria that was definitely a mistake but was also during a phase in the Civil War were there actually was a slightly democratic-leaning Rebel group which later got taken over by jihadists. but you keep being an expert on shit that you're not an expert on

Really, you just had to derail a decent thread with your "I don't like Trump" stuff. Geeeeez! When did any of us become experts on North Korea?

All About UNT · August 10, 2017

31 minutes ago, KRAM1 said:

Really, you just had to derail a decent thread with your "I don't like Trump" stuff. Geeeeez! When did any of us become experts on North Korea?

Speak for yourself. I've studied North Korea pretty extensively for over 15 years. Personally it's like watching someone say 2+2 = 5. Am I supposed to respect that? Or am I supposed to correct that type of statement. The question was about Trump's rhetoric so obviously I am going to address that. But it's good to see that you contributed to the conversation anyway

GreenMachine · August 10, 2017

No, wrong again. You piped in when I made the statement about Barry drawing a line in the sand with Syria and backing down. You got butthurt but still haven't pointed out where I was wrong. In fact, idiosyncrasies and all, I was 100% correct.

KRAM1 · August 10, 2017

Really? You an analyst for the NSA? 👍👍👍. I had no idea. Or, is it just a hobby that you see making you an expert on the nation that not even our national security analysts can figure out? I'll stand by the "none of us are experts on North Korea" comment.

Doesn't Mean you are not 100% correct in your opinion. But, why call out others for their as educated guess as your's? And, why turn it into a "hey, let me bash Trump" while I am at it detail?

You ruin some excellent discussion points with all the other "stuff". That's all. Was a good discussion...until.