How many is too many?

[AustinFromUNT]

I've seen predictions from 5-10 wins next season. How many wins is too many though and would get SL snatched away by a P5. I'm thinking 8 is the magic number where our chance of retention takes the most dramatic hit. Thoughts?

[greenjoe]

The best problem we could possibly have.

GO MEAN GREEN

[LongJim]

13 minutes ago, greenjoe said:

The best problem we could possibly have.

GO MEAN GREEN

For sure.  Would *love* to see UNT with a "problem" like this...

[KRAM1]

There is never "too many wins".  You play 'em to win 'em.  If that results in UNT losing its HC to another school....well, good for us.  We'll go get us another good one like the one we lost.  This job pays pretty darn good money these days and a million dollar plus salary provides one with a pretty nice lifestyle in Denton these days.  There would be no lack of candidates.

Just win 'em and we'll go from there.

[Ben Gooding]

We will not win 8 games this year. No form of coaching or player evidence suggests that. 

[KRAM1]

2 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

We will not win 8 games this year. No form of coaching or player evidence suggests that. 

But, we can try! Ha! You home from Germany yet or just taking a GMG.com posting break?

[BillySee58]

It took PJ Fleck two 8-win seasons, followed by a 13-win season and 4 straight number one recruiting classes in the MAC to go from Western Michigan to Minnesota.

It took Matt Rhule two 10-win seasons and the second best recruiting class in the AAC (behind Herman and Houston) to get him a P5 job.

Willie Taggart won 10 games in 2016, won 8 the year before, signed the number 1 class in the AAC in 2015, consistently recruited well, and had previously turned FBS startup WKU into a winning program. And he was far from the first choice at Oregon.

Jeff Brohm won 30 games in 3 yrs at WKU, including a 12-win undefeated conference championship season, and decent recruiting (#3 class in the conference in 2016) to get hired by Purdue.

Finally, Tom Herman won 22 games in 2 seasons at Houston including wins over Oklahoma, Florida State, and Louisville, who had the heisman trophy winner. He also turned heads nationally in recruiting, while signing 5-star DT Ed Oliver and the number 1 class in the AAC in 2016. That obviously got him the job at Texas.

And that's the extent of the coaches who went from G5 head coach to P5 head coach last year. So based on that, Littrell is a huge uptick in recruiting plus about 20 wins over the next two years away from having a resume that resembles these guys who made that jump. 

[golfingomez]

16...

16 means that even though we won the National Championship, we somehow played an extra, unnecessary game.

[oldguystudent]

2 minutes ago, golfingomez said:

16...

16 means that even though we won the National Championship, we somehow played an extra, unnecessary game.

Can you get that extra game allowance in football if you play a game at Hawaii? 

[Wag Tag]

26 minutes ago, BillySee58 said:

It took PJ Fleck two 8-win seasons, followed by a 13-win season and 4 straight number one recruiting classes in the MAC to go from Western Michigan to Minnesota.

It took Matt Rhule two 10-win seasons and the second best recruiting class in the AAC (behind Herman and Houston) to get him a P5 job.

Willie Taggart won 10 games in 2016, won 8 the year before, signed the number 1 class in the AAC in 2015, consistently recruited well, and had previously turned FBS startup WKU into a winning program. And he was far from the first choice at Oregon.

Jeff Brohm won 30 games in 3 yrs at WKU, including a 12-win undefeated conference championship season, and decent recruiting (#3 class in the conference in 2016) to get hired by Purdue.

Finally, Tom Herman won 22 games in 2 seasons at Houston including wins over Oklahoma, Florida State, and Louisville, who had the heisman trophy winner. He also turned heads nationally in recruiting, while signing 5-star DT Ed Oliver and the number 1 class in the AAC in 2016. That obviously got him the job at Texas.

And that's the extent of the coaches who went from G5 head coach to P5 head coach last year. So based on that, Littrell is a huge uptick in recruiting plus about 20 wins over the next two years away from having a resume that resembles these guys who made that jump. 

Great info.. to early to tell on SL, but he will need a big uptick in recruiting before he draws attention.

[MGNation92]

Before we talk about too many wins, let's get to a bowl game without having to use our APR score first.

[MeanGreen_MBA]

2 hours ago, Ben Gooding said:

We will not win 8 games this year. No form of coaching or player evidence suggests that. 

or fan support....

[TreeFiddy]

Now that we pay our HFC a salary that prevents him from being poached so easily, it will take a few years of consistent winning before he goes anywhere.  With that being the case, I sure hope we have something to worry about in a few years.

[El Paso Eagle]

1 hour ago, golfingomez said:

16...

16 means that even though we won the National Championship, we somehow played an extra, unnecessary game.

The 16th win is Seth's victory in a post-season All Star game

[97and03]

I honestly do not understand the question.

[SilverEagle]

18 hours ago, BillySee58 said:

It took PJ Fleck two 8-win seasons, followed by a 13-win season and 4 straight number one recruiting classes in the MAC to go from Western Michigan to Minnesota.

It took Matt Rhule two 10-win seasons and the second best recruiting class in the AAC (behind Herman and Houston) to get him a P5 job.

Willie Taggart won 10 games in 2016, won 8 the year before, signed the number 1 class in the AAC in 2015, consistently recruited well, and had previously turned FBS startup WKU into a winning program. And he was far from the first choice at Oregon.

Jeff Brohm won 30 games in 3 yrs at WKU, including a 12-win undefeated conference championship season, and decent recruiting (#3 class in the conference in 2016) to get hired by Purdue.

Finally, Tom Herman won 22 games in 2 seasons at Houston including wins over Oklahoma, Florida State, and Louisville, who had the heisman trophy winner. He also turned heads nationally in recruiting, while signing 5-star DT Ed Oliver and the number 1 class in the AAC in 2016. That obviously got him the job at Texas.

And that's the extent of the coaches who went from G5 head coach to P5 head coach last year. So based on that, Littrell is a huge uptick in recruiting plus about 20 wins over the next two years away from having a resume that resembles these guys who made that jump. 

Boy, have things changed through the years. Our last head coach hired away from us was Jerry Moore. His two year record (79-80) was 11-11.

[Ben Gooding]

On 6/12/2017 at 4:12 PM, KRAM1 said:

But, we can try! Ha! You home from Germany yet or just taking a GMG.com posting break?

Haha yes we can. Amsterdam the last few days and then to Brussels, then to France...contemplating rolling through the channel tunnel on my own into Dover, UK, but that is still in question. I'm still creeping on GMG throughout the trip though. 

[greenminer]

@BillySee58 Want a head scratcher? Turner Gill went 20-30 at Buffalo before heading to KU.  I know, I know: two 1st-place finishes in-conference; but they had to overlook that last 5-7 season and less than spectacular overall record.

They must have had a small pool that year to choose from? I don't know.

[Ben Gooding]

On 6/12/2017 at 6:11 PM, MeanGreen_MBA said:

or fan support....

Ok? When fans start making a million dollars a year to coach or start playing on the field, then this will be a relevant comment. 

[Ryan Munthe]

How many is too many? 

Ah, a question I'm all too familiar with.

[JesseMartin]

On 6/12/2017 at 7:38 AM, oldguystudent said:

Can you get that extra game allowance in football if you play a game at Hawaii? 

Yep.

But I agree with the posts about consistency. Even if we win 10 or 11, nobody at a P5 is jumping to hire him away unless they're a lower end program and are in such dire straits that they can't snatch up someone with a longer history of success as an HC. Even then...he may not take it.

Plus, look at this year's schedule. Even if our performance is middle of the road (compared to all fbs schools), that would get us 6 for sure and probably 2 or 3 more if we're slightly better than average. 2 or 3 10 win seasons including a couple of big upsets and great recruiting could do it. Faring better than the average mid major for a year or two with a schedule that isn't very tough? Nope...no worries about him being offered if that's how it goes.