DRC: A look back on the top five coaches in UNT history

[SilverEagle]

On ‎6‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 0:55 PM, Cerebus said:

How about once?  

I was credentialed for the bowl year run, sat in on a many media interviews and post game conferences with Dickey.  I do not recall him ever saying this was one of the "worst" jobs, I do recall him saying it was one of the "toughest" many times.  

So again, dozens and dozens of times I head him not say it was one of the "worst." All that it will take to change my mind is one credible media source that says he said it was one of the "worst."   

 

ETA:  I do recall him saying that Fouts was one of the worst facilities, but I think it was off the record, and I would not disagree with him.

.....and this was one of the few issues that I totally agreed with DD on.

IT'S THE CULTURE PEOPLE. And the last coach that truly understood the issue and set about doing something about it was Hayden Fry. All others fell into a state of shock, depression, and/or deep seated cynicism. Corky Nelson coped with it by drinking.......but who could blame him?

[Arkstfan]

On ‎6‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 0:43 PM, VideoEagle said:

From what I understand, no school that applied for a waiver was accepted. Arkansas State got the farthest and were eventually turned down. Someone - I think Cincinnati - threatened to sue the NCAA and were granted 1A status. But no one else threatened and no one else got to stay 1A. Again, @Arkstfan knows more of these details and I have just read/heard them second and third hand. 

I might have confused Vandiver and Hurley on who stopped the dropping of football altogether. But I understand it was close. 

Cincinnati filed suit and won an immediate stay from the local (friendly) court. By the time they got the thing on the docket for hearings on the stay the NCAA or Cincinnati proposed a settlement. If Cincinnati met the I-A criteria in 1982 they'd stay I-A case dismissed. If they came up short then they would reclassified case dismissed.

The MAC had a handful knocked down and they just hustled to make sure everyone who was out made it back in. They kept them in the conference.

With the schedule UNT had, slapping some bleachers up for the 1982 season would have solved the issue.

[VideoEagle]

17 hours ago, Arkstfan said:

Cincinnati filed suit and won an immediate stay from the local (friendly) court. By the time they got the thing on the docket for hearings on the stay the NCAA or Cincinnati proposed a settlement. If Cincinnati met the I-A criteria in 1982 they'd stay I-A case dismissed. If they came up short then they would reclassified case dismissed.

The MAC had a handful knocked down and they just hustled to make sure everyone who was out made it back in. They kept them in the conference.

With the schedule UNT had, slapping some bleachers up for the 1982 season would have solved the issue.

Thanks for the details. 

Now things make even more sense. IF we'd put up additional stands in 82, we could have immediately reapplied. Yes, we'd have had a year or two at 1AA, but we'd be back up to 1A soon enough there would have been no long term harm. However, the pro-athletics people at NT had expended a LOT of political capital getting Bob Tyler in as coach. When that proved a disaster, there wasn't the will to keep trying. I don't know, but I suspect there was a payout involved in Tyler's firing which cut into any funds that might have been available for new stands.