Jump to content

Throwback Thursday: 1978 North Texas vs. Texas

Harry

By Harry
in Mean Green Football

 Share

Recommended Posts

Harry Grand Master

Harry

Posted
Posted

Way back in 1978 North Texas State was one of the most successful programs in the State. But kids, this state was run by the Longhorns in Austin and if you wanted credibility beating Texas was your ticket. NTSU had their shot on October 14, 1978 at Memorial Stadium.

Get me the Hayden Fry Bullets!

- NTSU finished 1978 with a 9-2 record, giving them an 18-4 two year run. And yet they weren't invited to a bowl game. The 2016 North Texas team won 5 games and got to enjoy the wonders of the Heart of Dallas Bowl. Millennials are ruining everything. 

- More on this in a later post but NTSU coach Hayden Fry was working tirelessly to get the Screaming Eagles a SWC bid. It was his focus. Well that and beating SWC teams every chance he got. 

read more:  https://swcroundup.com/news/2017/5/24/throwback-thursday-1978-north-texas-vs-texas?utm_content=bufferd385f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

Cr1028 Grand Master

Cr1028

Posted
Posted

Bowls are about tv deals these days Harry. The fact that we participated in the HOD bowl this year had little to do with millennials and everything to do with $$$$. The '78 team just wasn't around in an era with an abundance of bowls fighting over the eligible teams.

  • Upvote 2
UNTLifer Grand Master

UNTLifer

Posted
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

Bowls are about tv deals these days Harry. The fact that we participated in the HOD bowl this year had little to do with millennials and everything to do with $$$$. The '78 team just wasn't around in an era with an abundance of bowls fighting over the eligible teams.

Not Harry.  The millennial quote was from the article.

Loved those uniforms and remember being at that game.

Edited by UNTLifer
  • Upvote 1
SilverEagle Mentor

SilverEagle

Posted
Posted (edited)

I too was at the game, and it solidified my opinion of Jordan Case (#8 on your program) being the best QB that I had ever seen play at NT up to that point......and to a certain extent, since.

The final score 26-16, was a little deceiving. Late in the game with the score 23-16 in favor of Texas, NT drove down for what would have been the tying score, but turned it over on 4th down on the goal line. Texas then went on a slow sustained drive and kicked a FG, making it 26-16.

NT had (IMHO) one of it's best all around backfields in history that year. Besides Case, there was the late great RB Bernard Jackson (#23 on your program) who was working on his record 1453 yard season. At FB was was Fred Gordon 6'3" X 230lbs  (#24 on your program) both fast and quick. Why he wasn't drafted by the NFL is still a mystery to me. At receivers were the unspectacular but very dependable Charles Murray (#20 on your program) and Bruce Chambers (#14 on your program). At TE was Darrel Terrell (#88 on your program) who DID play in the NFL (I hope I'm not confusing him with Ron Battle who was also on that team).

Waiting in the wings were QB Joe Stevenson (#10 on your program) and IMHO the best ever QB of color to play at NT, as well as highly recruited RB Milton Collins (#42 on your program) and an unknown freshman RB/FB named Lee English* (#33 on your program) who finished with a 6 yrds per carry average that year (3 carries for 18 yards). Future receiving record holder Pete Harvey (#16 on your program) was also on that team.

Every RB listed on this post was a threat as a receiver coming out of the backfield.

For the younger fans out there, if you want to know what kind of QB Case was, think Scott Hall. A fierce competitor, a great arm, mobile, fearless AND TOUGH.  Scott Hall often played hurt. Case had a congenital back condition that cause him to be in almost constant pain during his playing years.

 

 

* Father of Brice English

Edited by SilverEagle
  • Upvote 4
  • Downvote 1
UNTLifer Grand Master

UNTLifer

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, untcampbell said:

I don't have a program....could you loan me yours?

GMG

I was on the 45 yard line, student side. Freshman at UT. Got to North Texas as fast as I could.

 

GMG

See, there is signs of intelligence on this page!  The image cut off "Texas."

Image result for hitchhiker

  • Upvote 1
  • Downvote 1
Cooley Mentor

Cooley

Posted
Posted
On 5/26/2017 at 4:07 AM, SilverEagle said:

I too was at the game, and it solidified my opinion of Jordan Case (#8 on your program) being the best QB that I had ever seen play at NT up to that point......and to a certain extent, since.

The final score 26-16, was a little deceiving. Late in the game with the score 23-16 in favor of Texas, NT drove down for what would have been the tying score, but turned it over on 4th down on the goal line. Texas then went on a slow sustained drive and kicked a FG, making it 26-16.

NT had (IMHO) one of it's best all around backfields in history that year. Besides Case, there was the late great RB Bernard Jackson (#23 on your program) who was working on his record 1453 yard season. At FB was was Fred Gordon 6'3" X 230lbs  (#24 on your program) both fast and quick. Why he wasn't drafted by the NFL is still a mystery to me. At receivers were the unspectacular but very dependable Charles Murray (#20 on your program) and Bruce Chambers (#14 on your program). At TE was Darrel Terrell (#88 on your program) who DID play in the NFL (I hope I'm not confusing him with Ron Battle who was also on that team).

Waiting in the wings were QB Joe Stevenson (#10 on your program) and IMHO the best ever QB of color to play at NT, as well as highly recruited RB Milton Collins (#42 on your program) and an unknown freshman RB/FB named Lee English* (#33 on your program) who finished with a 6 yrds per carry average that year (3 carries for 18 yards). Future receiving record holder Pete Harvey (#16 on your program) was also on that team.

Every RB listed on this post was a threat as a receiver coming out of the backfield.

For the younger fans out there, if you want to know what kind of QB Case was, think Scott Hall. A fierce competitor, a great arm, mobile, fearless AND TOUGH.  Scott Hall often played hurt. Case had a congenital back condition that cause him to be in almost constant pain during his playing years.

 

 

* Father of Brice English

For the younger fans, Ken Washington was clearly the best QB to play for the Mean Green since Steve Ramsey. The great Hayden Fry would tell anyone this today. Jordan Case was good  but not better than Ken Washington, which is why he was Washington's back up the year they were on the team together. Case also entered the Hall of Fame after Washington. 

  Silver it is comical and somewhat of an insult to keep mentioning Joe Stevenson's name in the discussion of top NT quarterbacks. (Black or White) I don't know what you have against Ken Washington when this was not even a debate during the true glory years. 

  • Downvote 1
UNTLifer Grand Master

UNTLifer

Posted
Posted

It is his opinion.  Comparing Washington and Stevenson to Case is difficult because they were totally different in their style of play.

  • Upvote 1
  • Downvote 3
SilverEagle Mentor

SilverEagle

Posted
Posted
3 hours ago, Cooley said:

For the younger fans, Ken Washington was clearly the best QB to play for the Mean Green since Steve Ramsey. The great Hayden Fry would tell anyone this today. Jordan Case was good  but not better than Ken Washington, which is why he was Washington's back up the year they were on the team together. Case also entered the Hall of Fame after Washington. 

  Silver it is comical and somewhat of an insult to keep mentioning Joe Stevenson's name in the discussion of top NT quarterbacks. (Black or White) I don't know what you have against Ken Washington when this was not even a debate during the true glory years. 

      Ken Washington was around for 4 years, and the bolded section represents his year by year passing performance. As you can see, he was (mostly) absent for two of those years because he was hurt doing what he couldn't resist doing......scrambling. Jordan Case was on campus for three years and Joe Stevenson was around four years.

 

 

                       Att   Comp  TD  yrds

1983 Greg Carter 185  93  12  1,275

1982 Rusty Hill 292 177  9  1,704

1981 Greg Carter 138  73  2  782

1980 Joe Stevenson 236 129  11  1,582

1979 Jordan Case 167 103  3  1,152

1978 Jordan Case 179 105  8  1,360

1977 Ken Washington 129  81  10  1,155

1976 Ken Smith 111  47  5  630

1975 Glen Ray 65  26  2  472

1974 Ken Washington 201  78  6  1,042

 

As you can see from the "pass efficiency (how they determine that I don't know) chart" he is listed below Andrew McNulty.

Passing Efficiency 1. Scott Hall, 2000-04 132.26 2. Mitch Maher, 1991-94 128.56 3. Scott Davis, 1987-90 126.44 4. Derek Thompson, 2009-13 126.27 5. Riley Dodge, 2008-10 125.71 6. Steve Ramsey, 1967-69 116.16 7. Giovanni Vizza, 2007-08 114.01 8. Jordan Case, 1977-79 111.61 9. Andrew McNulty, 2011-15 110.22 10. Ken Washington, 1974-77 105.01

 

When Ken Washington was having a hot night, he was really good. But IMHO he was mostly streaky. Joe Stevenson was not. Every time he came in to start during the 78 or 79 season he was exactly the same. Just as he was his senior year (full year start)  when he had a better year than any of Ken Washington's.

 

  • Upvote 3
All About UNT Veteran

All About UNT

Posted
Posted
On 5/26/2017 at 9:22 AM, untcampbell said:

I don't have a program....could you loan me yours?

BTW, I was on the 45 yard line, student side. Freshman at UT. Got to North Texas as fast as I could.

 

GMG

 when we met on the train on the way to the Bowl game you failed to mention that you also went to UT

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Tell a friend

    Love GoMeanGreen.com? Tell a friend!

  • What's going on Mean Green?

    1. 11

      Uniforms

      What the hell, UNTLifer?!?!?! We’re discussing uniforms here!!!
      DeepGreen in Mean Green Football
    2. 14

      The ridiculousness of the transfer portal era personified

      Companies don’t owe you a retirement. That’s your responsibility. If they offer that, it’s fine, but no small business employee has a pension—they have to save in a 401k or IRA. And most pensions are extremely costly To manage and the payouts very often end up benefitting the pension more than the employee or their beneficiaries.
      • 1
      • Upvote
      untjim1995 in Mean Green Football
    3. 11

      Uniforms

      I see what you did there.
      greenjoe in Mean Green Football
    4. 36

      State of College Football

      Some of the posters on this board are extremely naive to the future of college athletics. Whether the G5s want it or not, just like some lower level P4s, the system that has been created was entirely built on the idea that it would bankrupt the programs from competing against the Top 50 schools in football and basketball, probably for baseball and softball, too. I really don’t care anymore how quickly it all falls apart, but the fact is that Texas, A&M, OU, LSU, Bama, etc…play a different game than anyone in the G5s. If you contribute to this mess, you are selling yourself a lie. I met with a local high school coach today of a 6A high school. His exact words are that everyone knows that UNT is only getting kids that are looking to make money somewhere else as soon as possible and use the AAC as exposure to the P4s. The TX HS Coaches are telling their players and parents this. And they are being contacted by the P4s to be the conduit between the player and the P4 buyer. It’s a system that North Texas or any other G5 not named Memphis can’t play in for much longer…
      untjim1995 in Mean Green Football
    5. 20

      UAB (12/31/24)

      UNT Hosts UAB In Conference Opener Tuesday 12/30/2024 9:50:00 AM | Men's Basketball https://meangreensports.com/news/2024/12/30/mens-basketball-unt-hosts-uab-in-conference-opener-tuesday NT vs UAB game notes: https://meangreensports.com/documents/2024/12/30/12.31.24_UNTMBBGameNotesVsUAB.pdf
      NT80 in Mean Green Basketball

  • Popular Contributors

  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      15,505
    • Most Online
      1,865
    Jepper
    Newest Member
    Jepper
    Joined

  • Most Points

    1. 1
      El Paso Eagle
      El Paso Eagle
      170,519
    2. 2
      NT80
      NT80
      138,533
    3. 3
      KingDL1
      KingDL1
      131,965
    4. 4
      greenminer
      greenminer
      124,400
    5. 5
      TheReal_jayD
      TheReal_jayD
      109,359

  • Biggest Gamblers

    1. 1
      EdtheEagle
      EdtheEagle
      26,591,647
    2. 2
      UNTLifer
      UNTLifer
      4,480,984
    3. 3
      untphd
      untphd
      842,555
    4. 4
      flyonthewall
      flyonthewall
      670,422
    5. 5
      3_n_out
      3_n_out
      578,480
    6. 6
      SteaminWillieBeamin
    7. 7
      UNT_FH_FR_YR
      UNT_FH_FR_YR
      454,039
    8. 8
      cousin oliver
      cousin oliver
      448,120
    9. 9
      meangreenfaninno
    10. 10
      South Texas Green

WE BELIEVE IN THE MEAN GREEN!

News

Recruiting

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue. Please review our full Privacy Policy before using our site.