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shootermcgavin44 Newbie

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Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Kentucky Wesleyan Panthers (Great Lakes Valley Conference) (1996–2005)
1996–97 Kentucky Wesleyan 21–8 14–6 5th  
1997–98 Kentucky Wesleyan 30–3 17–2 1st NCAA Division II runner-up
1998–99 Kentucky Wesleyan 35–2 20–2 1st NCAA Division II Champion
1999–00 Kentucky Wesleyan 31–3 18–2 1st NCAA Division II runner-up
2000–01 Kentucky Wesleyan 30–3 17–3 2nd NCAA Division II Champion
2001–02 Kentucky Wesleyan 31–3 19–1 1st NCAA Division II runner-up
2002–03 Kentucky Wesleyan 26–3* 18–2* 1st* NCAA Division II runner-up*
2003–04 Kentucky Wesleyan 22–8* 14–6* 3rd* NCAA Division II First Round*
2004–05 Kentucky Wesleyan 15–12 9–11 6th  
Kentucky Wesleyan: 242–45* (.840) 146–35* (.807)  
Oklahoma City Stars (Sooner Athletic Conference) (2005–2008)
2005–06 Oklahoma City 29–8 16–2 1st NAIA runner-up
2006–07 Oklahoma City 35–2 17–1 1st NAIA Champions
2007–08 Oklahoma City 31–7 18–4 1st NAIA Champions
Oklahoma City: 95–17 (.848) 51–7 (.879)  
Western Kentucky Hilltoppers (Sun Belt Conference) (2012–2014)
2011–12 Western Kentucky 11–8[9] 6–7[9] 3rd (East)[10] NCAA 2nd Round[11]
2012–13 Western Kentucky 20–15 10–10 4th (East)[12] NCAA 2nd Round[13]
2013–14 Western Kentucky 21–11 12–6 2nd  
Western Kentucky Hilltoppers (Conference USA) (2014–present)
2014–15 Western Kentucky 20–12 12–6 T–4th  
2015–16 Western Kentucky 18–16 8–10 8th  
Western Kentucky: 90–62 (.592) 48–39 (.552)  
Jacksonville State Gamecocks (Ohio Valley Conference) (2016–present)
2016–17 Jacksonville State 20–14 9–7 3rd (East) NCAA Tournament
Jacksonville State: 20–14 (.588) 9–7 (.563)  
Total: 463–136 (.773)

I am in 

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greenminer Grand Master

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@FirefightnRick Harper is in a unique position in that he is proven at our level and, yet, here he is hungry and trying to move up from the lower ranks.

Would this satisfy your criteria, or no? Maybe he's too old?

ETA: I say "lower ranks", but just learned JS is D1...so, same division.

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Wag Tag Grand Master

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Really excited about the choices! Harper is a proven winner! Cross is a proven winner with local contacts. Mac has done well with just 1 year at Ark State. Wonder what the buyout is for these guys?

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UNT90 Newbie

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Cross isn't coming here. Don't think the Arkansas St guy will, either. It would be a lateral move to a far worse program. 

Harper, on the other hand, makes sense. 

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Got5onIt Experienced

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His resume speaks for himself. Harper looks to be a great hire, on paper. 

I think a UTA move to UNT is definitely a step up but not a move from stAte. Lateral move, IMO.... 

 

MeanGreenTexan Grand Master

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1 minute ago, Got5onIt said:

His resume speaks for himself. Harper looks to be a great hire, on paper. 

I think a UTA move to UNT is definitely a step up but not a move from stAte. Lateral move, IMO.... 

 

What is the logic here?

UTA & ARSt both play division 1 basketball... the same level as UNT.

Got5onIt Experienced

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Just now, MeanGreenTexan said:

What is the logic here?

UTA & ARSt both play division 1 basketball... the same level as UNT.

 

Look at the athletic departments and athletic budget....

UNTFan23 Community Regular

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Just now, Got5onIt said:

Look at the athletic departments and athletic budget....

One has football and one doesn't. That could be a major difference in athletic expenditures.

Got5onIt Experienced

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Just now, UNTFan23 said:

One has football and one doesn't. That could be a major difference in athletic expenditures.

 

Exactly.

Please remind me what sport dominates collegiate athletics and props up most athletic department budgets, including title ix sports?

FBS Football. 

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MeanGreenTexan Grand Master

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3 minutes ago, Got5onIt said:

 

Look at the athletic departments and athletic budget....

 

Please remind me what sport dominates collegiate athletics and props up most athletic department budgets, including title ix sports?

FBS Football.

 

Looking forward to poaching Greg McDermott then!

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Army of Dad Enthusiast

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Just now, Got5onIt said:

 

Exactly.

Please remind me what sport dominates collegiate athletics and props up most athletic department budgets, including title ix sports?

FBS Football. 

Yeah, but there are 200 odd D1 basketball schools that aren't FBS  schools.

Maybe a better metric would be percentage of budget allocated to basketball? I doubt there's and easy source for that so it has some problems for the discussion too.

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1 minute ago, Got5onIt said:

Exactly.

Please remind me what sport dominates collegiate athletics and props up most athletic department budgets, including title ix sports?

FBS Football. 

So how does one school having football and one not having football affect the prestige of the basketball program? The school without football won the regular season of the Men's basketball program, the other came in third this season in the same conference.

Mean Green 93-98 Grand Master

Mean Green 93-98

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10 minutes ago, Got5onIt said:

 

Exactly.

Please remind me what sport dominates collegiate athletics and props up most athletic department budgets, including title ix sports?

FBS Football. 

A lot of bball coaches would prefer to coach at a school without football.  With only a few exceptions, basketball will always be forced to take a back seat whenever there's football.

Which programs from smaller conferences have risen to become basketball powers in recent years?  Gonzaga, VCU, Wichita State, etc. . . . All schools without football.  Butler plays football, but has always kept it in an inferior conference to where they play hoops.  I have personally known a coach who had options, but chose a lower-paying school because it didn't have football.  Having a football team significantly more prominent than its basketball team attracts no basketball coach.

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TheTastyGreek Collaborator

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59 minutes ago, Army of Dad said:

Yeah, but there are 200 odd D1 basketball schools that aren't FBS  schools.

Maybe a better metric would be percentage of budget allocated to basketball? I doubt there's and easy source for that so it has some problems for the discussion too.

A site that shut down a few years back (MidMajority?) actually divided teams by what they called the "red line", specifically a certain level of basketball funding average for a conference. For schools that were above the red line when not lumped in with their conference (like Memphis in CUSA days or Gonzaga), they were considered separate from their below-the-red-line conference mates. 

Every year, they would reevaluate where that financial line belonged, give you a pretty solid metric to weigh conference strength relative to spending, and then call out potential or in-progress "red line upsets" on a nightly basis. 

But... They shut down. 

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I think Harper would be perfect for a quick turnaround, and then possibly moving on, so we can get a younger up-and-coming coach once our program is back to respectability. Look what he did to Jacksonsville State this season. They were 8-23 last season in the Ohio Valley conference. Now in their first ever NCAA tourney. I almost wonder if we won't be outbid for him, now that his NCAA issues at WKU have faded a bit.. 

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wardly Grand Master

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Unless its W.K. or M.T.S.U., Conference USA is not a step up for a basketball coach from the Sun Belt. In Group 5 conferences A.A.C. and Mountain West would be. Just an old man's opinion.

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Ryan Munthe Newbie

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23 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

What is the logic here?

UTA & ARSt both play division 1 basketball... the same level as UNT.

Budget, support, school prestige, conference, opponents, etc.

I think Harper, though. Doubt Cross will come over.

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