Really? Y not JJ?

[UNTFan23]

1 minute ago, shootermcgavin44 said:

I would take scheduling any of these teams over freaking Texas College or directional A&M Oklahoma State Technical Institute. 

Again, we should take care of the teams with similar rankings before we take a bigger bite off. The two Top 50 RPI teams that we played we lost 61-77 (UTA) and 68-79 (MTSU). The best team we beat was ranked #248 (SE Louisiana). We should try to walk before we try to run.

[Andrew]

10 minutes ago, shootermcgavin44 said:

80	Fresno State	.5488	17-11	130	76	284	62	84	0-1	2-0	4-4	8-4	109	2.0	1.4	3.4
RK	TEAM	RPI	D1 W-L	SOS	NCRP	NCSS	CFRP	CFSS	1-25	26-50	51-100	L12	LRPI	OFFQ	DEFQ	ASM
81	New Mexico	.5477	17-13	49	107	37	90	79	0-2	0-4	5-3	7-5	64	2.7	0.1	2.8
82	Syracuse	.5468	18-14	58	101	218	32	31	3-4	3-4	2-1	7-5	62	4.9	3.2	8.1
83	Texas A&M	.5467	16-14	37	90	27	101	70	0-6	2-6	2-1	6-6	52	-1.8	7.9	6.1
84	CSU Bakersfield	.5466	18-8	223	176	189	66	248	0-2	0-0	2-2	10-2	115	-5.7	10.2	4.5
85	Richmond	.5465	19-11	108	149	247	33	78	0-4	1-1	3-1	8-4	96	3.1	0.8	3.8
86	Ohio State	.5442	17-15	36	54	106	91	37	1-6	3-2	4-5	5-7	63	3.1	2.9	5.9
87	Alabama	.5426	17-13	80	125	90	79	106	0-4	3-2	1-4	6-6	98	-4.4	9.7	5.2
88	St Bonaventure	.5411	19-11	133	115	166	77	130	0-4	0-2	0-2	7-5	126	4.8	0.3	5.1
89	Florida Gulf Coast	.5409	23-7	260	164	97	130	308	0-2	1-1	0-0	11-1	74	0.4	4.2	4.6
90	Northern Kentucky	.5404	22-10	222	109	173	116	239	0-1	0-0	1-2	10-2	143	-0.3	2.1	1.8
RK	TEAM	RPI	D1 W-L	SOS	NCRP	NCSS	CFRP	CFSS	1-25	26-50	51-100	L12	LRPI	OFFQ	DEFQ	ASM
91	Penn State	.5401	15-17	27	65	58	114	47	2-5	1-2	4-7	4-8	90	2.6	0.6	3.2
92	Stanford	.5399	13-17	8	81	3	156	60	0-8	1-2	3-4	3-9	79	-1.2	3.1	1.9
93	Towson	.5393	19-13	103	139	67	95	149	0-1	0-3	2-2	8-4	107	0.9	2.4	3.4
94	San Francisco	.5382	19-12	109	102	130	99	120	0-4	1-0	1-2	7-5	103	0.5	4.2	4.6
95	Colorado	.5380	18-13	121	56	211	138	109	1-4	1-1	3-5	9-3	122	3.3	1.9	5.3
96	Iona	.5375	22-12	170	78	141	146	195	0-1	1-3	0-1	8-4	120	6.2	-2.6	3.6
97	George Washington	.5368	18-13	98	95	194	82	82	1-3	0-3	2-3	8-4	86	-0.2	1.2	1.0
98	UNC Greensboro	.5342	22-9	240	157	257	80	230	0-1	0-1	3-1	9-3	105	-1.3	3.1	1.8
	Nebraska	.5342	11-19	3	153	1	111	42	3-3	0-7	4-7	3-9	88	-0.4	1.3	0.9
100	Lehigh	.5

 

I would take scheduling any of these teams over freaking Texas College or directional A&M Oklahoma State Technical Institute. 

We have been scheduling the sameness teams for decades... maybe a new AD will change it but it's nothing new to play SE Louisiana, Sam Houston State, Cameron, etc..

[shootermcgavin44]

4 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

Again, we should take care of the teams with similar rankings before we take a bigger bite off. The two Top 50 RPI teams that we played we lost 61-77 (UTA) and 68-79 (MTSU). The best team we beat was ranked #248 (SE Louisiana). We should try to walk before we try to run.

Yes, expecting to beat the likes of Northern Kentucky, Towson, and San Francisco is  expecting way too much. 

1 minute ago, Andrew said:

We have been scheduling the sameness teams for decades... maybe a new AD will change it but it's nothing new to play SE Louisiana, Sam Houston State, Cameron, etc..

11/25/16	vs. Niagara	The Super Pit	W, 80-71	Video  GT	MORE
11/27/16	vs. Hartford	The Super Pit	W, 81-78	Video  GT	MORE
11/30/16	vs. Texas College	The Super Pit	W, 73-45	Video  GT

 

This little stretch right here is embarrassing. 

[UNTFan23]

3 minutes ago, shootermcgavin44 said:

Yes, expecting to beat the likes of Northern Kentucky, Towson, and San Francisco is  expecting way too much. 

And at this point, so is expecting to beat a Top 100 RPI team. If we regularly beat Top 150 teams I'd say we should try to schedule more Top 100 teams as we'd have a shot at beating one but not this season. No way, no how.

Edited March 10, 2017 by UNTFan23

[EagleMBA]

Mama said "You've got to beat the best if you want to be the best!". I'm not advocating jumping into the deep end, but we must develop a plan (multi-year) to build the schedule as we rebuild the program. That is how we will raise this phoenix from the ashes and get some respect. JMO.

[UNTFan23]

41 minutes ago, EagleMBA said:

Mama said "You've got to beat the best if you want to be the best!". I'm not advocating jumping into the deep end, but we must develop a plan (multi-year) to build the schedule as we rebuild the program. That is how we will raise this phoenix from the ashes and get some respect. JMO.

This. Need to continuously schedule more difficult teams as you go but to just jump into the deep end isn't going to be a smart way to build up your schedule.

[Andrew]

08 Hartford, Southern, Centenary, Denever, and Texas A&M International.

09 Jackson State, Boiset State, and University of the Southwest (add on Cameron who we seemed to play every year)

 

10 Grambling , Texas Southern, Sam Houston State, Texas State. Throw in the mighty Henderson University earlier in the year and Oklahoma Panhandle State

 

Teams like Niagra and Hartford are well know teams in the north east. Unlike Jackson state, Grambling, Cameron etc...

 

You must be young because you clearly  didn't watch any pre Benford basketball. 

 

Edited March 10, 2017 by Andrew

[shootermcgavin44]

8 minutes ago, Andrew said:

08 Hartford, Southern, Centenary, Denever, and Texas A&M International.

09 Jackson State, Boiset State, and University of the Southwest (add on Cameron who we seemed to play every year)

 

10 Grambling , Texas Southern, Sam Houston State, Texas State. Throw in the mighty Henderson University earlier in the year and Oklahoma Panhandle State

 

Teams like Niagra and Hartford are well know teams in the north east. Unlike Jackson state, Grambling, Cameron etc...

 

You must be young because you cleeely didn't watch any pre Benford basketball. 

 

I didn't cleeely do anything.

Been following UNT hoops since I was a ball boy during the Jank days during the mid 90's. Pre 1994 I can't tell you much.... 

[greenminer]

Came in here expecting to read more about JJ...

[Keith7]

On 3/8/2017 at 3:56 PM, Eagle-96 said:

JJ was great for UNT at the time and brought us out of the wilderness. We can do better. Let's go money-whip Scott Cross.

We are back in the wilderness. He recruited for his system well here and found some real gems in the process. He might not be the flashy name that people on here are looking for, but he is more than capable for the job. I would rather take a known quantity in a great coach like JJ than sign up for five more years of some top program's assistant.

1 hour ago, Andrew said:

 

You must be young because you clearly  didn't watch any pre Benford basketball. 

 

I attended more games than I can count pre-Benford. Yes the schedule was weak but we were also going deep into the conference tournaments (and twice winning it.) What difference does the non-conference slate mean anyways? We're not getting any at large bids anytime soon. 

On top of that. As our teams got better under JJ, we started getting better home-and-homes (OK State, Tech). I imagine if he stayed longer and continued to grow the program he had flourishing, more and more teams would be willing to play in The Pit. 

 

[VideoEagle]

9 hours ago, Keith7 said:

Yes the schedule was weak but we were also going deep into the conference tournaments (and twice winning it.) What difference does the non-conference slate mean anyways? We're not getting any at large bids anytime soon. 

 

While improving our RPI does help the conference overall, improving our win-loss record also helps. It's like climbing a ladder - get a few more wins, upgrade the schedule a little. Get a still more wins, upgrade the schedule more. You are correct that we are not going to be competing with Baylor or Kansas for at large bids anytime soon. 

Frankly, I'd really prefer to avoid any low division teams, but I want a 20 win season even more. There are multiple articles about a team getting some easy victories early in the year gives the players more confidence and thus a better chance to win later in the season. That does NOT mean playing all cup cakes! It does mean a team that needs to learn to win games - at this point ANY games - should play some weaker teams.

However, we don't need to bring back JJ to do any of those things. I think Baker has more control of the actual schedule than the incoming coach will. Certainly he does right now.