Ridiculous attitude towards players' well-being

[JesseMartin]

Guys, look...we all agree that not just this season, but Benford's entire tenure, has been a disaster. But the "I hate him so much, get him out now regardless of consequences" attitude and statements aren't helping his guys at all. Remember...these are students whose futures lay in the hands of our community. 

If anyone wants to see if the results of firing him early include disrupting the players' academic routines enough to hurt their standing, you need to go back to school and study research methods.

Benford may or may not be a possible cause of academic distraction if he were to be fired. The outcome of the athletic season is the same: a mess. His pay, the terrible record, all of it will be the same regardless. It's the control variable. But I'm not willing to risk the well-being of our students just to make a statement about their coach's results.

We are one of the few D1 schools that puts academics first. When framing this argument, please remember that.

And if making a statement by firing Benford when it doesn't really matter is more important to you than the possibility of strain leading to academic failure for our guys, then you have lost sight of our mission and would do well to shut your mouth.

[Army of Dad]

26 minutes ago, JesseMartin said:

Guys, look...we all agree that not just this season, but Benford's entire tenure, has been a disaster. But the "I hate him so much, get him out now regardless of consequences" attitude and statements aren't helping his guys at all. Remember...these are students whose futures lay in the hands of our community. 

If anyone wants to see if the results of firing him early include disrupting the players' academic routines enough to hurt their standing, you need to go back to school and study research methods.

Benford may or may not be a possible cause of academic distraction if he were to be fired. The outcome of the athletic season is the same: a mess. His pay, the terrible record, all of it will be the same regardless. It's the control variable. But I'm not willing to risk the well-being of our students just to make a statement about their coach's results.

We are one of the few D1 schools that puts academics first. When framing this argument, please remember that.

And if making a statement by firing Benford when it doesn't really matter is more important to you than the possibility of strain leading to academic failure for our guys, then you have lost sight of our mission and would do well to shut your mouth.

That's the way to stretch. Do you teach yoga on the side?

[TheTastyGreek]

Woolridge and Lawson are eligibility freshmen.

Do we need to re-up Benford through 2020 to make sure they earn their degrees?

Or, does Benford have to stay on extended evaluation at least through June until the academic semester is over? 

August, in case anyone needs summer credits to stay on track? 

[Rudy]

How does firing him during the season disrupt the players' education?  Does Benford teach classes on the side?

[KingDL1]

30 minutes ago, TheTastyGreek said:

Woolridge and Lawson are eligibility freshmen.

Do we need to re-up Benford through 2020 to make sure they earn their degrees?

Or, does Benford have to stay on extended evaluation at least through June until the academic semester is over? 

August, in case anyone needs summer credits to stay on track? 

Firing benford would only help their grades, at least there would be hope. At this point it would make no difference as silly argument above. 6 days and the player know just as well  as we do. 

[GreenMachine]

3 hours ago, JesseMartin said:

Guys, look...we all agree that not just this season, but Benford's entire tenure, has been a disaster. But the "I hate him so much, get him out now regardless of consequences" attitude and statements aren't helping his guys at all. Remember...these are students whose futures lay in the hands of our community. 

If anyone wants to see if the results of firing him early include disrupting the players' academic routines enough to hurt their standing, you need to go back to school and study research methods.

Benford may or may not be a possible cause of academic distraction if he were to be fired. The outcome of the athletic season is the same: a mess. His pay, the terrible record, all of it will be the same regardless. It's the control variable. But I'm not willing to risk the well-being of our students just to make a statement about their coach's results.

We are one of the few D1 schools that puts academics first. When framing this argument, please remember that.

And if making a statement by firing Benford when it doesn't really matter is more important to you than the possibility of strain leading to academic failure for our guys, then you have lost sight of our mission and would do well to shut your mouth.

These are grown men. Their future lies in their own hands, nobody elses. 

[southsideguy]

i guess we should keep him until everyone graduates?

[MeanMag]

They already know/knew he was going to be gone about halfway through the season, maybe sooner. What difference does it make? Get it done sooner than later.

Edited February 26, 2017 by MeanMag

[southsideguy]

it can also be a life lesson, people in the organizations get fired.  Even good people get fired, it is a just fact of life.

[chrisfisher]

10 hours ago, JesseMartin said:

Guys, look...we all agree that not just this season, but Benford's entire tenure, has been a disaster. But the "I hate him so much, get him out now regardless of consequences" attitude and statements aren't helping his guys at all. Remember...these are students whose futures lay in the hands of our community. 

If anyone wants to see if the results of firing him early include disrupting the players' academic routines enough to hurt their standing, you need to go back to school and study research methods.

Benford may or may not be a possible cause of academic distraction if he were to be fired. The outcome of the athletic season is the same: a mess. His pay, the terrible record, all of it will be the same regardless. It's the control variable. But I'm not willing to risk the well-being of our students just to make a statement about their coach's results.

We are one of the few D1 schools that puts academics first. When framing this argument, please remember that.

And if making a statement by firing Benford when it doesn't really matter is more important to you than the possibility of strain leading to academic failure for our guys, then you have lost sight of our mission and would do well to shut your mouth.

Nonsense.

[Hunter Green]

Don't fret boys. He'll be gone soon enough and then we'll see if Wren is worth all the money and hype to get someone in here who will get the job done right.

[JesseMartin]

15 hours ago, TheTastyGreek said:

Woolridge and Lawson are eligibility freshmen.

Do we need to re-up Benford through 2020 to make sure they earn their degrees?

Or, does Benford have to stay on extended evaluation at least through June until the academic semester is over? 

August, in case anyone needs summer credits to stay on track? 

 

14 hours ago, Rudy said:

How does firing him during the season disrupt the players' education?  Does Benford teach classes on the side?

That's nowhere near the point. Things have been tumultuous enough already for these guys. If it was 2 years ago, then yes, cut things off as soon as you decide to let him go. But the outcome of his contract and this season will not be changed. Why give them added stress?

[KingDL1]

39 minutes ago, JesseMartin said:

 

That's nowhere near the point. Things have been tumultuous enough already for these guys. If it was 2 years ago, then yes, cut things off as soon as you decide to let him go. But the outcome of his contract and this season will not be changed. Why give them added stress?

OMG 

[UNTLifer]

One question that I have asked and don't think has been answered is, "What good would it have done to fire Benford and replace him with one of his assistants in the interim?"

[Rudy]

4 hours ago, JesseMartin said:

 

That's nowhere near the point. Things have been tumultuous enough already for these guys. If it was 2 years ago, then yes, cut things off as soon as you decide to let him go. But the outcome of his contract and this season will not be changed. Why give them added stress?

Because real life is full of stress.

[Green Lantern]

1 hour ago, UNTLifer said:

One question that I have asked and don't think has been answered is, "What good would it have done to fire Benford and replace him with one of his assistants in the interim?"

It's been answered a bunch of times this season already. What happened when we fired both Dodge and Mac mid season? The teams that were swirling the toilet actually responded and played better. The players responded to a different voice.  In addition, it at least sent some semblance of a signal to the fan base (certainly in Mac's case) that the results were not going to be tolerated and change was on the way.

At this point, it's all moot. He's coaching through the season. Doesn't mean the few hardcore fans left have to be happy about how this has been allowed to play out.

[MeanMag]

On 2/26/2017 at 4:11 PM, JesseMartin said:

 

That's nowhere near the point. Things have been tumultuous enough already for these guys. If it was 2 years ago, then yes, cut things off as soon as you decide to let him go. But the outcome of his contract and this season will not be changed. Why give them added stress?

These kids are not stupid. They know what is going to happen. They have probably already come to terms with all of it. Everyone knows what is going to happen. The only difference is the guy that is going to be the guy next year is not at work yet.

Edited March 1, 2017 by MeanMag

[Aquila_Viridis]

Added stress??? Maybe they should have practiced and played harder and they would not have lost as many games. It is not ALL on the coach, but no doubt, a lot is on this coach.

[ColoradoEagle]

[untjim1995]

13 hours ago, MeanMag said:

These kids are not stupid. They know what is going to happen. They have probably already come to terms with all of it. Everyone knows what is going to happen. The only difference is the guy that is going to be the guy next year is not at work yet.

The players knew that this was a lost cause once we started losing in CUSA play. Its just the nature of the beast that when losing starts, the players start caring less, no matter the sport. That was always going to be the problem with allowing Benford to coach his last season of his contract.