Facilities tour by Leadership

[Army of Dad]

7 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

Don't even joke about paying players.  

Do we not pay the cost of living that the NCAA now allows? 

[Cerebus]

7 minutes ago, Army of Dad said:

Do we not pay the cost of living that the NCAA now allows? 

You know what I mean.  Don't even joke about providing improper benefits to recruits or players.  

[DentonLurker]

Ahhh yes. UNT does a couple of things like the big boys like flying a private plane to see facilities in person and getting serious about a practice facility and people here are upset. SMH

[GMG24]

On 2/22/2017 at 7:03 PM, FirefightnRick said:

Great post MR.

 

What's that....a 20 minute drive from NT?

 

LOL!

 

Rick

So when it's 103 with a head index of 110 and the state or NCAA mandates so many breaks at certain temps, you don't think it'd be beneficial to have an indoor facility? Or when it's lightning, bad weather etc?  Come on, an IPF is absolutely necessary at this level of football.  It shows your serious to recruits.  Will it win games? Who knows but if you can gain 2 hours of practice one week bc you don't miss due to weather that definitely gives you a better chance to win a game by being more prepared.  Where I'm at we have a 50 yard indoor, but it's only 30 yards wide.  Can't do any team inside, so when weathers bad we get individual only, and maybe a walk through/talk.  A full size indoor that's legal size would definitely impact our program in a positive way.. especially when it lightening strikes outside and we have a minimum of 30 minutes between Thor guard siren and all clear every time it goes off. 

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

On 2/22/2017 at 3:51 PM, Wag Tag said:

This generation of millennial athletes can't perspire! That is why they have to have a IPF, breathable uniforms and if they do sweat they have uniforms that wick away because god forbid it touches their body! Back in the day we would play the whole game (now the sub every other play) and on special teams ( now they have specialist for special teams) We didn't have all these special items, because we were told over and over by coach we weren't special. How did we survive? Salt tablets! As some of you younger guys may not know sweat taste like salt, so it only makes sense that you would take salt tablets to replace the salt. UNT could save a fortune by bringing salt tablets back! In fact together we could make salt tablets "Great Again"

(it is your responsibility to google for all side effects) But don't sweat it! GMG

Agree, 138%...which is why I posted the video of the old national champion Syracuse squad practicing outside, in full pads, in upstate New York.  And, posted a picture of them all muddy and cold playing in 1959.

By the way, that 1959 Syracuse squad were national champions because they finished the season by coming down to the Cotton Bowl and beating Texas to stay undefeated for the season.  No matter how cold it might have been in January 1960 in Dallas, it wasn't going to affect the 59' 'Cuse squad because they already practiced and played in much colder weather back home...

..for f*ck sake.

 

19 hours ago, greenminer said:

No facility is an end-all be all solution for winning championships, but if our staff thinks it keeps us in the race, then I respect that.  Speaking as one who actually doesn't care for the IPF idea.

Agree.  This is where I am.  I just don't see the reason it has to be falsely presented...or, that we had to go on a scavenger hunt outside a two hour radius to find examples of a few to look at.

[Ryan Munthe]

I mean, I will say the big reason why we beat Ball State was we were trained with the heat. It also gives us a massive homefield advantage.

But we need an IPF.

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

9 hours ago, GMG24 said:

So when it's 103 with a head index of 110 and the state or NCAA mandates so many breaks at certain temps, you don't think it'd be beneficial to have an indoor facility? Or when it's lightning, bad weather etc?  Come on, an IPF is absolutely necessary at this level of football.  It shows your serious to recruits.  Will it win games? Who knows but if you can gain 2 hours of practice one week bc you don't miss due to weather that definitely gives you a better chance to win a game by being more prepared.  Where I'm at we have a 50 yard indoor, but it's only 30 yards wide.  Can't do any team inside, so when weathers bad we get individual only, and maybe a walk through/talk.  A full size indoor that's legal size would definitely impact our program in a positive way.. especially when it lightening strikes outside and we have a minimum of 30 minutes between Thor guard siren and all clear every time it goes off. 

Look...Iowa State had the first indoor facility int he Big 12 in 2004.  Has it really made a difference?  No.  Not for their football team, or any other team that uses it.  They are still the whipping boy of the Big 12.

Every school has one because it's a copycat thing.  If every school has one, you are simply back to what matters in winning and losing anyway:  the coaches and players!

Again, Syracuse has been doing it since 1980.  1980!  And, 37 season later, they are not one of the most competitive football programs.  They don't get better recruits.  They don't get the best coaches. 

It's a farce.

We're doing it because everyone else is doing it.  It isn't groundbreaking. It doesn't change the balance of power.  It doesn't make anyone any safer.

If we were in a colder climate, I'd buy it.  But, we're not.  We could easily survive without one...and, the money is better used, in my opinion, on the coaching staff/recruiting budget.  

So, I'll ask this: if the big money donors will pony up for "shiny objects" like an indoor facility, why wouldn't they pony up as much for coaches and recruiting?  Are we trying to get better at football, or just to have as many new, shiny objects as the kids down the street? 

13 minutes ago, Ryan Munthe said:

I mean, I will say the big reason why we beat Ball State was we were trained with the heat. It also gives us a massive homefield advantage.

But we need an IPF.

Agree on Ball State.  Agree we will get an indoor field; but disagree with whether or not it's a "need."

Edited February 24, 2017 by MeanGreenMailbox

[Aldo]

Ha the idea that an IPF would affect on-field performance (negatively or positively) is laughable.

The heat gave us, what, an advantage in ONE game ages ago? How many Texas teams do we play (and that's not an invitation for "more the reason to practice outside" retort)?

The Syracuse reference is stupid. Longhorns won a NC after the Bubble was built, and had nothing to do with it. Meaningless rhetoric and a waste of pages and quotes.

We're gonna get an IPF whether YOU want one or not. The recruits, players, and players of the other sports will love it.

So sit down and I can't wait for uniform talk.

[Ryan Munthe]

28 minutes ago, Aldo said:

Ha the idea that an IPF would affect on-field performance (negatively or positively) is laughable.

The heat gave us, what, an advantage in ONE game ages ago? How many Texas teams do we play (and that's not an invitation for "more the reason to practice outside" retort)?

The Syracuse reference is stupid. Longhorns won a NC after the Bubble was built, and had nothing to do with it. Meaningless rhetoric and a waste of pages and quotes.

We're gonna get an IPF whether YOU want one or not. The recruits, players, and players of the other sports will love it.

So sit down and I can't wait for uniform talk.

McCarney seemed to think it gave us an advantage in many games we won. Whether or not it's true is debatable, I'm just saying.

Count me in on the "we need an IPF" I'm just simply stating history.

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

1 hour ago, Aldo said:

Ha the idea that an IPF would affect on-field performance (negatively or positively) is laughable.

The heat gave us, what, an advantage in ONE game ages ago? How many Texas teams do we play (and that's not an invitation for "more the reason to practice outside" retort)?

The Syracuse reference is stupid. Longhorns won a NC after the Bubble was built, and had nothing to do with it. Meaningless rhetoric and a waste of pages and quotes.

We're gonna get an IPF whether YOU want one or not. The recruits, players, and players of the other sports will love it.

So sit down and I can't wait for uniform talk.

Okay, with Texas, outside of 2005, what has the bubble done for them?  Not much.  Nor has having their own TV contract with ESPN (foolishly) paying the sh*t tons of cash. 

At the end of the day, the coaches and players determine who wins and loses.  If facilities were the be all end all of everything, Texas would be stockpiling football titles.  They aren't.  They're at a point now, sadly, to where they've got to be worried about being embarrassed by TCU (last two seasons, beaten down 48-10 and 50-7 by the Frogs) and Kansas State (2-6 versus the Wildcats since they've opened their indoor facility).

There is a point at which the players are simply coddled too much.  If you are going to have the top end facilities, like a Texas or Alabama, you also need a hard-ass coach, like Nick Saban, to keep the kids from getting too comfortable in their cushy surroundings. 

[meanrob]

4 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

At the end of the day, the coaches and players determine who wins and loses.  If facilities were the be all end all of everything, Texas would be stockpiling football titles.  They aren't.  They're at a point now, sadly, to where they've got to be worried about being embarrassed by TCU (last two seasons, beaten down 48-10 and 50-7 by the Frogs) and Kansas State (2-6 versus the Wildcats since they've opened their indoor facility).
 

Nothing sad about this in my opinion. 

[BTG_Fan1]

1 hour ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

Look...Iowa State had the first indoor facility int he Big 12 in 2004.  Has it really made a difference?  No.  Not for their football team, or any other team that uses it.  They are still the whipping boy of the Big 12.

Every school has one because it's a copycat thing.  If every school has one, you are simply back to what matters in winning and losing anyway:  the coaches and players!

Again, Syracuse has been doing it since 1980.  1980!  And, 37 season later, they are not one of the most competitive football programs.  They don't get better recruits.  They don't get the best coaches. 

It's a farce.

We're doing it because everyone else is doing it.  It isn't groundbreaking. It doesn't change the balance of power.  It doesn't make anyone any safer.

If we were in a colder climate, I'd buy it.  But, we're not.  We could easily survive without one...and, the money is better used, in my opinion, on the coaching staff/recruiting budget.  

So, I'll ask this: if the big money donors will pony up for "shiny objects" like an indoor facility, why wouldn't they pony up as much for coaches and recruiting?  Are we trying to get better at football, or just to have as many new, shiny objects as the kids down the street? 

You pony up for a IPF because its not leaving in 4 years like a play, nor will it leave when another bigger school comes a calling like a coach. Yes a bigger recruiting budget is nice, but kids have passed on UNT because they want the new shiny toys... invest in the program, and as it was said earlier.. Its happening,

You pony up because it helps the other sports as well, and allow for more events to be help at UNT... 7on7 tournments are held at LD Bell indoor, heck the rangers have done things at the LD Bell in door baseball facility as well.

[Cr1028]

1 hour ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

 Agree we will get an indoor field; but disagree with whether or not it's a "need."

I agree that it isn't a need but it is a nice tool to have in the shed.

[Aldo]

16 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

Okay, with Texas, outside of 2005, what has the bubble done for them?  Not much. 

No one cares what it does for them. No one talks about it because the big boys all have them. It's not a special thing.

I'd love to see the correlation-therefore-causation of going from leather helmets to hard helmets and the drop from prominence of some rando school.

17 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

There is a point at which the players are simply coddled too much.

Uh huh OK.

I'd love to see a vid of you training next to these dudes in two a days in the luxurious environment of an IPF.

[greenminer]

I see a strange cycle with certain posters: rant and rant for a week, then get "put on break."  Come back, rant and rant...then get put on break.

[TreeFiddy]

35 minutes ago, greenminer said:

I see a strange cycle with certain posters: rant and rant for a week, then get "put on break."  Come back, rant and rant...then get put on break.

They are postaholics.  Can't stop with just one post.  They say they are going to quit forever and then one day they slip up and think that just one post won't hurt anything and then before you know it they have had multiple posts and start becoming incoherent again.  Then it all starts over.  It is a vicious cycle.  

[FirefightnRick]

On 2/24/2017 at 0:02 AM, GMG24 said:

So when it's 103 with a head index of 110 and the state or NCAA mandates so many breaks at certain temps, you don't think it'd be beneficial to have an indoor facility? Or when it's lightning, bad weather etc?  Come on, an IPF is absolutely necessary at this level of football.  It shows your serious to recruits.  Will it win games? Who knows but if you can gain 2 hours of practice one week bc you don't miss due to weather that definitely gives you a better chance to win a game by being more prepared.  Where I'm at we have a 50 yard indoor, but it's only 30 yards wide.  Can't do any team inside, so when weathers bad we get individual only, and maybe a walk through/talk.  A full size indoor that's legal size would definitely impact our program in a positive way.. especially when it lightening strikes outside and we have a minimum of 30 minutes between Thor guard siren and all clear every time it goes off. 

I guess you missed where I stated I was in favor of an IPF?  In fact...one similar to those at Coppel, Southlake, TCU and Aledo would be just fine imo.

 

Rick

[FirefightnRick]

Aledo's IPF, taken this morning.  One of countless Horse Barn-Air Plane Hanger IPF's located within the DFW.  

 

Rick

Edited February 25, 2017 by FirefightnRick

[BTG_Fan1]

Hank talks around the 430- mark about WB and hints that more info on facilities should be soon.. not much insight but still a little bit.

[GMG24]

On 2/24/2017 at 9:51 AM, Ryan Munthe said:

McCarney seemed to think it gave us an advantage in many games we won. Whether or not it's true is debatable, I'm just saying.

Count me in on the "we need an IPF" I'm just simply stating history.

He was real successful ;)