MGB: Sunday night recruiting tidbit

Brett Vito · January 30, 2017

MGB: Tulsa WR Kyre Richardson makes his decision. UNT offered recently

http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/2017/01/sunday-night-recruiting-tidbit-kyre-richardson-to-san-diego-state.html/

@UNTSportsFan · January 30, 2017

To add to the misery , UTSA picked up 2 more huge commits today :

http://247sports.com/Player/Samuel-Barnes-91601

http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Jaylon-Haynes-97047/RecruitInterests

Ryan Munthe · January 30, 2017

Man, some of these kids are really full of themselves. Did that dude really just "sign" his iNote?

MeanGreen22 · January 30, 2017

5 minutes ago, @UNTSportsFan said:

To add to the misery , UTSA picked up 2 more huge commits today :

http://247sports.com/Player/Samuel-Barnes-91601

http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Jaylon-Haynes-97047/RecruitInterests

UNT struggling to sign zero star guys while UTSA picks up 3*s with P5 offers.

Are we having fun yet?

jtm0097 · January 30, 2017

Well the only things we can tell ourselves is that rankings don't matter, and Littrell is recruiting players to fit his system. On paper, we are losing many battles.

UNT90 · January 30, 2017

UTSA doing what UNT should be able to, but never does.

This is a serious curb stomping and makes me wonder how competitive UNT will be with UTSA in future games.

7 minutes ago, jtm0097 said:

Well the only things we can tell ourselves is that rankings don't matter, and Littrell is recruiting players to fit his system. On paper, we are losing many battles.

Which will lead to losing seasons. All we can really do is hope for some HUGE surprises on signing day.

DeepGreen · January 30, 2017

1 minute ago, UNT90 said:

UTSA doing what UNT should be able to, but never does.

This is a serious curb stomping and makes me wonder how competitive UNT will be with UTSA in future games.

Future games? We weren't that competitive in San Antonio last season. NutsaK was the superior team. This year's recruiting will help them continue "curb stomping" us.

We recruit at the FCS level. We run athletics at the FCS level. Maybe that's where we should be.

UNT90 · January 30, 2017

10 minutes ago, DeepGreen said:

Future games? We weren't that competitive in San Antonio last season. NutsaK was the superior team. This year's recruiting will help them continue "curb stomping" us.

We recruit at the FCS level. We run athletics at the FCS level. Maybe that's where we should be.

If this class ends up 11th ranked, and with the problems in BBall right now and the refusal to fix it, that would bring up the typical question at UNT: did we make the right hire(s)? Still too early to declare it, but that question will gain traction.

And it should.

untbowler · January 30, 2017

18 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

UTSA doing what UNT should be able to, but never does.

This is a serious curb stomping and makes me wonder how competitive UNT will be with UTSA in future games.

Which will lead to losing seasons. All we can really do is hope for some HUGE surprises on signing day.

So your saying we could have saved $100k+ a year hiring coaches who apparently can't recruit a high level for CUSA standards, sorry but right now UTSA has made a much better hire with Wilson, who has even less to work with in regards to facilities.

UNT90 · January 30, 2017

2 minutes ago, untbowler said:

So your saying we could have saved $100k+ a year hiring coaches who apparently can't recruit a high level for CUSA standards, sorry but right now UTSA has made a much better hire with Wilson, who has even less to work with in regards to facilities.

That is abundantly clear at this point. Both were hired at the exact same time taking over down programs.

Right now, Wilson is wearing Littrell's ass out in recruiting, beating Littrell in every single recruiting battle.

EVERY SINGLE ONE.

p_phelps · January 30, 2017

It's time to panic. We are losing everyone. Setting up for a very very poor class and I'm pretty mad about it! Why are we not able to get these guys!? Even with a surprise huge signing it will be a poor overall class at this point.

3 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

That is abundantly clear at this point. Both were hired at the exact same time taking over down programs.

Right now, Wilson is wearing Littrell's ass out in recruiting, beating Littrell in every single recruiting battle.

EVERY SINGLE ONE.

Couldn't agree more! I don't know the difference in recruiting but on the field they beat us and in recruiting they are waxing us and the rest of the conference!

Wag Tag · January 30, 2017

Uh ugh I would just like to say WTF! Did you see the offer list on those players! Insane!

UNT90 · January 30, 2017

1 minute ago, Wag Tag said:

Uh ugh I would just like to say WTF! Did you see the offer list on those players! Insane!

That's what could happen here with the correct hire. Still 3 days left, but without more than one huge surprise, Ill seriously doubt if we made that hire.

southsideguy · January 30, 2017

maybe it is time to consider ending the football program and basketball team and focus on women soccer, golf, tennis and chess team. The end is here and the future is not bright. Go Chess club!

UNT90 · January 30, 2017

Just now, southsideguy said:

maybe it is time to consider ending the football program and basketball team and focus on women soccer, golf, tennis and chess team. The end is here and the future is not bright. Go Chess club!

Rick, is that you?... ?

jtm0097 · January 30, 2017

I feel like the theme of this class is diamond in the rough. The majority of the commits were not recruited very heavily by other programs. The staff will have to develop these guys to fit their system. I am never going to bash a kid that wants to play for UNT. I do like that we have kids committed to us from big Texas high schools. Having success on the 5A/6A level in Texas will translate to the FBS level.

Edited January 30, 2017 by jtm0097

outoftown · January 30, 2017

Going by ranking this recruiting class is below the average of where McCarney recruited. if SL loses Bradley and can't add similar quality, then his leish needs to be shortened. It would mean that he has to be able to regularly get to bowls and get into the conference championship conversation with essentially the kind of roster he has, because as of now, it does not look like he is a good enough salesman capable of upgrading it with higher ranked players.Essentially it would mean that what he is in season two is what he will likely be in season 4 of his contract.

Edited January 30, 2017 by outoftown

wardly · January 30, 2017

My observation of diamonds in the rough is they usually turn out to be coal.

UNT90 · January 30, 2017

1 minute ago, outoftown said:

Going by ranking this recruiting class is below the average of where McCarney recruited. if SL loses Bradley and can't add similar quality, then his leish needs to be shortened. It would mean that he has to be able to regularly get to bowls and get into the conference championship conversation with essentially the kind of roster he has, because as of now, it does not look like he is a good enough salesman capable of upgrading it with higher ranked players.

He should consider massive staff changes if this is the best class the current one can put together.

Still 3 days left, but this is Sun Belt era recruiting right now.

MeanGreen22 · January 30, 2017

1 minute ago, UNT90 said:

He should consider massive staff changes if this is the best class the current one can put together.

Still 3 days left, but this is Sun Belt era recruiting right now.

Considering Seth seems more like Xs and Os, doesn't look like he hired enough recruiters to surround himself with.

p_phelps · January 30, 2017

5 minutes ago, MeanGreen22 said:

Considering Seth seems more like Xs and Os, doesn't look like he hired enough recruiters to surround himself with.

ANY*

outoftown · January 30, 2017

12 minutes ago, MeanGreen22 said:

Considering Seth seems more like Xs and Os, doesn't look like he hired enough recruiters to surround himself with.

Exactly this is the problem I think too. There are a lot of good Xs and Os coaches, but you do need some proven recruiters. That is also why I was not too happy with the Biagi for Perry hire. Perry was the only semi proven salesman on the staff, Biagi may be a good salesman, but he isn't proven. If SL was convinced Biagi was a good salesman, he should have gotten rid of someone who hasn't proven to be in his first year here. As it stands he will have to evaluate the coaches he has and how they did in recruiting and one or two should be let go at the end of next season and replaced with guys who are good salesreps. And if he doesn't get there himself, its WBs job to tell him so at their evaluation under four eyes.

I expected this staff to get middle of the road ranking and then outperform their C-USA recruiting ranking on the field by 3-4 spots. I still expect that0 they outperform their recruiting ranking by those 3-4 spots, but now that will only lead UNT to mediocrity .

Edited January 30, 2017 by outoftown

Cr1028 · January 30, 2017

I remember noting that Caden McDonald was retweeting his SDSU stuff so you can pretty much write of the pipe dream of Caden coming here.

Harry · January 30, 2017

Bingo. Let me add some mayonnaise to Tasty's already well made sandwich here. Whether you believe in them or not, there are data points which help to make logical assessments about recruiting classes. These have been and continue to be driven off of other school offers. If a kid has full scholarship offers from Texas, OU and A&M, he most likely is going to be ranked higher in the data than a kid who only has D II offers. What we have seen historically here (Dickey, Dodge, Mac etc) are lower data points. Next what we see is a rationalization of the data. "Stars don't matter", "We got the guys we wanted" etc etc... What I think Tasty is saying here is that with improved facilities and conference, and a history of following post recruiting results on the field, there is less of a willingness to buy into the standard rationalizations.