What Conference do we want?

[MeanGreen_MBA]

Has anybody notice that the AAC is struggling this year in Bowls.  1-3 record so far.  MWC is doing fine, but so is C-USA (The C).  There was talk earlier about jumping to the AAC or MWC earlier.  BUT, look what The C is doing in getting high profile coaches.  Maybe, just Maybe, we are in a good place right now.  We just (I know it is easier said than done) need to establish UNT as a leader in The C in all sports.

 

I like where we are at.....

Edited December 22, 2016 by MeanGreen_MBA

[UNT90]

The better question is what conference wants UNT...

[Tyler Maryak]

I would really love it if bowl season success foreshadows conference success. The Nervous Nelly in me won't quiet down, though. Even when things go right for North Texas (like bringing Littrell in), things appear to go right-er for our competitors (all the big name/high profile coaches going to G5s). That makes me worry that, even though CUSA seems to be doing better, the other conferences will surpass us again in little-to-no time.

Is this a rational fear or based in sound logic? Probably not. But it's my concern non-the-less.

[VideoEagle]

4 minutes ago, MeanGreen_MBA said:

Has anybody notice that the AAC is struggling this year in Bowls.  1-3 record so far.  MWC is doing fine, but so is C-USA (The C).  There was talk earlier about jumping to the AAC or MWC earlier.  BUT, look what The C is doing in getting high profile coaches.  Maybe, just Maybe, we are in a good place right now.  We just (I know it is easier said than done) need to establish UNT as a leader in The C in all sports.

 

I like where we are at.....

A few years ago - I think in 2013, but I'm not sure - CUSA was the top ranked G5 conference and got extra CFP money. At least one year, the MAC was the top rated conference. Yes, the MWC and the AAC are top rated more often, but it isn't like CUSA is on the bottom all the time. 

I think we should work on winning in CUSA and not spend time worrying about jumping someplace else. While there are a few higher profile schools in the MWC like Boise and SDSU, they also have San Jose State, Utah State and UNLV which are of negligible interest in our area. Is it really worth millions of dollars to trade ODU for San Jose State?

[Monkeypox]

1 hour ago, VideoEagle said:

I think we should work on winning in CUSA and not spend time worrying about jumping someplace else. 

This. Win games regularly, and you'll end up where you want to be.

[UNT86]

I like where we are, especially C-USA West.

We play schools our fans and students are familiar with.  When we are on the road, many games are close enough to drive.

If we are any good, we will be competitive and draw 20K+. 

We have a chance to be bowl eligible every year.

I really don't want us to move unless it is to the SEC.

[Mean Green 93-98]

Either the AAC or MWC would be better than the present incarnation of C-USA.  Especially if we didn't have to take UTSA with us.

[PlummMeanGreen]

Some of you have known for years where myself & others stand with re-alignment conference talk but look at it this way......just put yourselves in UNT AD Wren Baker's shoes.

So as the UNT AD, which games below would you have an easier time in marketing for season ticket sales as well as "day of game" ticket sales at Apogee Stadium?

UNT vs. Air Force.....................or....................UNT vs. Old Dominion

UNT vs Boise State..................or....................UNT vs. FAU or FIU

UNT vs. San Diego State.........or.....................UNT vs. W. Kentucky    * We beat a 19'th or #20 ranked SDS Atzec team at Fouts in 1974.

UNT vs. Colorado St................or......................UNT vs  Charlotte?

San Diego State is as close to Denton as West Point, New York, and don't we have a series with Army the next few years?

Did you know most of the MWC eastern schools are as equidistant to Denton as the CUSA eastern bloc?

4 of the MWC schools were ranked in the Top 25 this last Fall while I'm trying to recall if even one CUSA got close to the Top 25 this year or last. 

If we play Top 25 conference matchups won't it be easier for North Texas to rise with the MWC tide & become a Top 25 program?  

Yes, there would need to be an opening and then an invite, but I guarantee you if the AAC falls apart that SMU & UH will make a mad dash to the Mountain West Conference.  They already have fans wishing they were there now.  Is anyone ready to say that we don't have as much potential as UH or SMU  to be a MWC MEMBER even with those 2 school's glorious SWC past?  I hope not.  

TV markets & schools who can deliver in that *market will always be important to any G5 conference.  ✳️➡️✳️CUSA didn't hook up wth North Texas based on our W/L records the last 25 or so years, now did they?  Can you say, uh, TV market? And  

North Texas would bring with us the (soon to be) #4 ranked U.S. TV market with us to any new conference & we also have a propensity of having good fan support at the only bowl game in Dallas, Texas, too, now.  ➡️ I'd wager that as goes North Texas goes the HOD Bowl game, too.  

Yes, just projecting on a fan forum but we'd bring our TV market plus a potential big city bowl game to the MWC?  Who would turn that down so we could stay in a league with many upstarts of which many of that CUDA group are 800-1,000 miles  from Denton?  

➡️ If our powers that be don't already have their feelers onto this with the MWC, then we've probably already missed the boat to better ourselves once more & will be stuck in a league that most of us never heard of most of its schools 25 years ago.  Just my .02 as a college football observer since 1962. 

GMG!

* UNT Market & Demographics

Projected Future Enrollment.................45, 000 students

Present UNT Alumnus #'s in DFW........234,000 alums

Denton County Population in 2025......approx.  1,000,000 pop.

 

 

 

Edited December 23, 2016 by PlummMeanGreen

[GreenMachine]

SEC West! 

[UNTFan23]

35 minutes ago, PlummMeanGreen said:

Some of you have known for years where myself & others stand with re-alignment conference talk but look at it this way......just put yourselves in UNT AD Wren Baker's shoes.

So as the UNT AD, which games below would you have an easier time in marketing for season ticket sales as well as "day of game" ticket sales at Apogee Stadium?

UNT vs. Air Force.....................or....................UNT vs. Old Dominion

UNT vs Boise State..................or....................UNT vs. FAU or FIU

UNT vs. San Diego State.........or.....................UNT vs. W. Kentucky    * We beat a 19'th or #20 ranked SDS Atzec team at Fouts in 1974.

UNT vs. Colorado St................or......................UNT vs  Charlotte?

San Diego State is as close to Denton as West Point, New York, and don't we have a series with Army the next few years?

Did you know most of the CUSA eastern schools are as equidistant to Denton as the MWC eastern bloc of schools?

4 of the MWC schools were ranked in the Top 25 this last Fall while I'm still trying to recall if even one CUSA got close to the Top 25 this year or last.  If we play Top 25 conference matchups won't it be easier for North Texas to become a Top 25 program than if we never played a Top 25 conference game?

Yes, there would need to be an opening and then an invite, but I guarantee you if the AAC falls apart that SMU & UH will make a mad dash to the Mountain West Conference.  They already have fans wishing they were there now.  Is anyone ready to say that we don't have as much potential as UH or SMU even with their SWC past?  I hope not.  

TV markets & schools who can deliver in that *market will always be important to any G5 conference.  North Texas would bring with us the (soon to be) #4 ranked U.S. TV market with us to any new conference & we also have a propensity of having good fan support at the only bowl game in Dallas, Texas, too. 

GMG!

* UNT Market & Demographics

Projected Future Enrollment.................45, 000 students

Present UNT Alumnus #'s in DFW........234,000 alums

Denton County Population in 2025......approx.  1,000,000 pop.

Member when we played in the Big West from 1996 to 2000?

[PlummMeanGreen]

13 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

Member when we played in the Big West from 1996 to 2000?

Yes, I do. 

A totally different era and when the Big West folded Boise State moved up the NCAA ladder with warp speed & would become a perrenial Top 25 program.  We did not, although I think we can--sooner than later. 

We pay people good money up there to be visionaries & decide what kind of conference would best fit a school our size, location and academic scope.  It seems this group of leaders we have now will think hard about our future, but being in a conference with a bunch of recent upstarts or schools that only recently added football is not what I call a very marketable football conference for those of us who grew up in Texas.   Just my .02.

GMG!

 

Edited December 22, 2016 by PlummMeanGreen

[UNTFan23]

4 minutes ago, PlummMeanGreen said:

Yes, I do.  A totally different era and when it folded Boise State became a Top 25 program.  We did not, although I think we can now--sooner than later.

We need to be careful asking to get into somewhere like the MWC because they play a lot of Thursday and Friday night games, and fans here on this message board get real cranky when it comes to having games on "non-traditional" days for college football.

[UNT90]

Right, because most fans on this message board care only about what is best for them, not UNT...

[PlummMeanGreen]

6 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

We need to be careful asking to get into somewhere like the MWC because they play a lot of Thursday and Friday night games, and fans here on this message board get real cranky when it comes to having games on "non-traditional" days for college football.

That seems to be the wave of the future for most all the NCAA as they battle the NFL for fans and attention.  One of the best games I saw as a UNT alum was that weeknight Halloween night game versus Rice U!  'THE STAND!'

Probably would not benefit UNT going west unless we took 1 or 2  CUSA or Texas-based travelling partners with us.  Going solo would make it more difficult but compared to traveling the CUSA east coast---still do-able.  I don't expect anything happening with this in my lifetime to be truthful.  We don't exactly move like Speedy Gonzales at UNT in some things.  I do hope Wren Baker will surprise us with things like this, though.

GMG!

 

Edited December 22, 2016 by PlummMeanGreen

[untjim1995]

The big question is if the MWC wants us...they could've added us at anytime in the last five years and we haven't heard a peep from them. I figure they have four open slots, which would get them to 16 teams. If they wait, as they will, for the Big XII to implode, they can get potential Texas teams in TCU, Baylor, and Possibly even Tech. This doesn't even count the fact that UTEP was in a conference with those members for a looong time, too. And then there's UTSA...

[PlummMeanGreen]

8 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

The big question is if the MWC wants us...they could've added us at anytime in the last five years and we haven't heard a peep from them. I figure they have four open slots, which would get them to 16 teams. If they wait, as they will, for the Big XII to implode, they can get potential Texas teams in TCU, Baylor, and Possibly even Tech. This doesn't even count the fact that UTEP was in a conference with those members for a looong time, too. And then there's UTSA...

We have been mentioned as part of the Tex-4 in some of their MWC area newspaper coverage. 

Of course, the Tex-4 are the 4 Texas-based schools in CUSA.   I think most schools who sense a conference is talking about adding schools would already be on their doorsteps.  In fact, that kind of interest might draw admiration from a conference commissioner.  The MWC message boards have had larger TV markets as some of their past topics.  For a G5 conference, that seems to be a no-brainer.

Like I said....not holding my breath on any of this knowing our history of delaying, but the MWC schools of which 4 were in the Top 25 this last Fall would be more marketable for those who have season ticket sales and "day of game" sales as a top priority; you know, like....Wren Baker?

GMG!

Edited December 22, 2016 by PlummMeanGreen

[DeepGreen]

If the time ever comes, and I hope it doesn't, that NutsaK ever builds an on campus stadium of decent size(35-45K capacity), we all better step aside and watch them run(no pun intended).  They will "beep beep" past us, into the MWC, so fast we won't know what happened.  They have the cities support(businesses), and it appears they have the coaching/recruiting going in the right direction.  A stadium would do it for them.

[PlummMeanGreen]

On ‎12‎/‎22‎/‎2016 at 3:17 PM, DeepGreen said:

If the time ever comes, and I hope it doesn't, that NutsaK ever builds an on campus stadium of decent size(35-45K capacity), we all better step aside and watch them run(no pun intended).  They will "beep beep" past us, into the MWC, so fast we won't know what happened.  They have the cities support(businesses), and it appears they have the coaching/recruiting going in the right direction.  A stadium would do it for them.

You know it!  That is why at some point in our athletic history maybe we should avoid being.....a day late--dollar short?   If there's gold in dem' dere' hills....BE THE FIRST ONE THERE WITH PIC IN HAND! 

GMG!

Edited December 25, 2016 by PlummMeanGreen

[UNTFan23]

1 minute ago, PlummMeanGreen said:

That seems to be the wave of the future for most all the NCAA as they battle the NFL for fans and attention.  One of the best games I saw as a UNT alum was that weeknight Halloween night game versus Rice U!  'THE STAND!'

Probably would not benefit UNT going west unless we took 1 or 2  CUSA or Texas-based travelling partners with us.  Going solo would make it more difficult but compared to traveling the CUSA east coast---still do-able.  I don't expect anything happening with this in my lifetime to be truthful.  We don't exactly move like Speedy Gonzales at UNT in some things.

Actually, the NFL has stated they are looking over the possibility of eliminating Thursday night games because viewership is down. The NFL's TV contract with CBS/NBC ends in 2017.

I *never* watch football on Thursday (or Monday anymore) unless the Cowboys or North Texas are playing. 

If we went west, I'd prefer to see go with someone like UTEP, UTSA, and someone like Tx State or La Tech

7 minutes ago, PlummMeanGreen said:

We have been mentioned as part of the Tex-4 in some of their MWC area newspaper coverage. 

The Tex-4 are the 4 schools in CUSA.   I think most schools who sense a conference is talking about adding schools would already be on their doorsteps.  In fact, that kind of interest might draw admiration from a conference commissioner.  The MWC message boards have had larger TV markets as some of their past topics.  For a G5 conference, that seems to be a no-brainer.

Like I said....not holding my breath, but the MWC schools of which 4 were in the Top 25 this last Fall would be more marketable for those who have season ticket sales and "day of game" sales as a top priority; you know, like....Wren Baker?

GMG!

Many times that was just a journalist hypothesising in order to fill in some space in their article. You almost never heard any serious talk about any Texas schools leaving to go west.

[All About UNT]

Here we go again.

[Quoner]

1 minute ago, All About UNT said:

Here we go again.

Just some bros talkin' bout the C. Why you gotta knock it?

[Travis]

11 minutes ago, Quoner said:

Just some bros talkin' bout the C. Why you gotta knock it?

HA. The C.  Where do these people come up with this stuff??

 

Count me in for MWC or AAC. 

[RBP79]

I'm thinking if MWC comes to Texas they will stop in Denton to talk with Dr. Neal Smatresk. I mean he came From UNLV and would think he continues to keep in touch with old friends.........Also, I feel the North Texas area, DFW, is a better recruiting ground than the SA area and that to me would have a greater impact on the selection of a member in MWC.

[All About UNT]

4 minutes ago, RBP79 said:

I'm thinking if MWC comes to Texas they will stop in Denton to talk with Dr. Neal Smatresk. I mean he came From UNLV and would think he continues to keep in touch with old friends.........Also, I feel the North Texas area, DFW, is a better recruiting ground than the SA area and that to me would have a greater impact on the selection of a member in MWC.

and I bet that said talk would occur at Ranchman's Cafe!

25 minutes ago, Quoner said:

Just some bros talkin' bout the C. Why you gotta knock it?

 

[Quoner]

CUSA only kept a military from 1998-2004. I guess they just cared about protecting elite private institutions like TCU, Tulane, Marquette, and Saint Louis.