All C-USA Team with Offers

[TheReal_jayD]

There has been a lot of discussing on the board with recruiting and offer list etc. this week. I thought it would be interesting to see how this years C-USA 1st team fared when it came to offers. I'm am neutral when it come to the argument. I think to be successful at the G5 level you have to be able to win a few recruiting battles with P5 schools but also have to find gems that may be over looked and fall thru the system. I dont think it has been long enough to judge Seth yet. With his first class he put together in one month and had 2 conference all freshman players (Hambone and Fine) and one conference honorable mention (Tyler Wilson). Yet all three combined for a whooping 0 fbs offers come NSD. But here is the 1st team C-USA roster with fbs offers. I may have missed one or so please correct me if i missed one. 

 

OFFENSE
QB – Ryan Higgins, Sr., Louisiana Tech - 2 offers
RB – I’Tavius Mathers, Sr., Middle Tennessee - 19 offers
RB – Aaron Jones, Jr., UTEP - 1 offer
OL – Darrell Brown, Sr., Louisiana Tech - 1 offer
OL – Cameron Tom, Sr., Southern Miss - 6 offer
OL – Will Hernandez, Jr., UTEP - 1 offer
OL – Max Halpin, Sr., WKU - 1 offer
OL – Forrest Lamp, Sr., WKU - 6 offers
TE – Hayden Plinke, Sr., UTEP- 1 offer
WR – Carlos Henderson, Jr., Louisiana Tech - 6 offers
WR – Trent Taylor, Sr., Louisiana Tech - 1 offer
WR – Richie James, So., Middle Tennessee 3 offers
WR – Taywan Taylor, Sr., WKU - 1 offer
 
DEFENSE
DL – Larry Ogunjobi, Sr., Charlotte - 1 offer
DL – Trey Hendrickson, Sr., Florida Atlantic - 3 offers
DL – Jaylon Ferguson, So., Louisiana Tech - 7 offers
DL – Dylan Bradley, Sr., Southern Miss - 3 offers
LB – TJ Ricks, Sr., Old Dominion - 1 offer
LB – Emmanuel Ellerbee, Jr., Rice - 2 offers
LB – Josiah Tauaefa, Fr., UTSA - 2 offers
LB – Keith Brown, Sr., WKU - 18 offers
DB – Xavier Woods, Sr., Louisiana Tech - 10 offers
DB – Jeremy Cutrer, Sr., Middle Tennessee - 2 offers (LSU was other offer)
DB – D’Nerius Antoine, Sr., Southern Miss - 4 offers (Okie State was 1 of the offers)
DB – Branden Leston, Sr., WKU - 1 offer

[Caw Caw]

While it's heavily weighted because of a couple of YUGE lists. It comes out to 4.84 offer per first team conference player. 8 of 25 are single offer guys (32%). Which is high, but likely because of conference. ALSO important, C-USA is a coach driven conference selection if I'm not mistaken, so a lot of these choices could be questioned when looking at the stats/film/production of other players in the conference.

The best players at North Texas and recent all-conference selections like Orr, Trice, etc held multiple FBS offers as well. I would be curious to see the math on the rest of the years as well. Another interesting data point would be 1-offer guys per team that are signed compared to 1-offer guys that make all con. Also a comparison of conferences.

[Ben Gooding]

I think the top5 teams  last 3 years with the offer sheets of their starting 22. 

[BillySee58]

Good stuff, JayD. One thing that I've tried to emphasize with our recruits and their offer lists is it's important to also take into account their exposure. Aaron Jones didn't get the same amount of college coaches coming through in El Paso that he would've had he played for Hebron over here. Same with the guys we recruit out of East Texas vs the guys from DFW. But it's hard to quantity that through numbers.

Either way, great compilation.

[wardly]

Shows what a good job La. Tech does.

[Cerebus]

You need to look at the other side of this.  There are 85 players on scholarship.  Look at the guys who didn't make the all conference team, or played sparingly their entire career.  There are a lot more of those guys on a roster than there are on the all conference team, even on the really good CUSA teams.

Will some of those misses  have multiple offers?  Sure.  Will most of those guys have one offer or at the most two.  Yes.  If a player has only one offer he is much more likely to be "just a guy" instead of an all conference, or even a multi year starter.

That is what the recruiting game is, a game of chances.  There are good bets and bad bets.  If you can win the recruiting battles for the good bets, it is highly likely you will win many games.  If you only get the recruits not many people wanted (bad bets), it is highly likely you will lose many games. 

People can trash talk Dickey all they want, but he and his staff won a lot more of those recruiting battles than anyone else we have had here in a long time.  Did he beat out the high P5 teams like UT and OU?  No.  Did he always win out against lower P5 teams like OSU, TT, Colorado and KSU? No.  But he did win some of those battles, enough to make us dominate a conference.  

[TheReal_jayD]

 

 

[DeepGreen]

On 12/15/2016 at 8:38 AM, wardly said:

Shows what a good job La. Tech does.

They have a recruiter that lives in the DFW Metroplex, and that's all he does is recruit.  Not sure how many of their top players are from DFW area.

[Cerebus]

1 hour ago, TheReal_jayD said:

 

 

Again, how many 0 star recruits were there over that period?  How many were 2 star?  Thousands?  Tens of thousand?

In 2016 here is Rivals star breakdown for the class of 2016:

• 5 Star: 33
• 4 Star: 354
• 3 Star: 1,202
• 2 Star and lower: 298,000+

Look at Super Bowl 50.  The star breakdown was:

• 5 Star: 8
• 4 Star: 18
• 3 Star: 48
• 2 Star and lower: 32

 

Now compare those two numbers.  That tells you 5 stars are incredibly over represented, and then representation falls as you get to to each progressive level.

This of course doesn't mean that a low ranked recruit can't be successful, or a highly ranked recruit be a bust, but the chances are much better the higher ranked a recruit is.  

You can tell an individual to strive to be better and play above his ranking, buy you also know that as a class lower ranked classes will definitely perform worse than higher ranked classes.  

 

 

[Army of Dad]

6 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

lower ranked classes will defiantly perform worse than higher ranked classes

MFer for the win

[Cerebus]

Just now, Army of Dad said:

MFer for the win

I should really learn to spell one of these days.  

[Army of Dad]

Just now, Cerebus said:

I should really learn to spell one of these days.  

Nah, this way is more fun!

[Cr1028]

One freshman on the entire list, one we could've signed, one we didn't even bother offering. Disgusting.

[Withers940]

23 hours ago, Cerebus said:

Again, how many 0 star recruits were there over that period?  How many were 2 star?  Thousands?  Tens of thousand?

In 2016 here is Rivals star breakdown for the class of 2016:

• 5 Star: 33
• 4 Star: 354
• 3 Star: 1,202
• 2 Star and lower: 298,000+

Look at Super Bowl 50.  The star breakdown was:

• 5 Star: 8
• 4 Star: 18
• 3 Star: 48
• 2 Star and lower: 32

 

Now compare those two numbers.  That tells you 5 stars are incredibly over represented, and then representation falls as you get to to each progressive level.

This of course doesn't mean that a low ranked recruit can't be successful, or a highly ranked recruit be a bust, but the chances are much better the higher ranked a recruit is.  

You can tell an individual to strive to be better and play above his ranking, buy you also know that as a class lower ranked classes will definitely perform worse than higher ranked classes.  

 

 

Plus 1

I'd like to see the numbers for guys drafted in the first round of the draft and how many stars they had coming out of high school. I am far too lazy to do such research.