Baylor has made their hire

[GMG_Dallas]

Per The Ticket, he picked Baylor over Oregon. Baylor did give him a 7 year deal though and he'll be given time to turn it around. Odd...

[oldguystudent]

12 hours ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

I'm trying to think . . . who was the last northerner to have significant success head coaching at a Texas university?

I can't honestly answer that question, but I do think the never ending "HE DOESN'T HAVE TEXAS TIES!!!111!! ELEVENTY-ONE!!" thing is entirely myopic.  

Really, when was the last time ANY coach had significant success in Texas relative to the rest of the nation?  Texas produces good teams, but outside of 2005 and 2008, it hasn't really been dancing on the national stage.  A&M, Baylor, and TCU have all had their moments, but they haven't sustained, and in Baylor's case, should barely even be allowed to exist. 

My honest opinion is that Texas high school football with its flag football spread everybody go long defense be damned nonsense has stroked many an upper middle class QB dad ego, but it's ruined Texas college football when compared to the big boys in other states.

While I'm ranting, here's a self serving, gratuitous example of what ultimately happens when you rely too much on that crap.

Biggest challenge for Rhule is that he's a defense first, run heavy on offense coach (like Mac was).  Can he recruit in Texas to fit that system?  I don't know if that has anything whatsoever to do with "TEXAS TIES!" so much as it has to do with the Texas high school system. 

 

 

[Army of Dad]

4 minutes ago, oldguystudent said:

I can't honestly answer that question, but I do think the never ending "HE DOESN'T HAVE TEXAS TIES!!!111!! ELEVENTY-ONE!!" thing is entirely myopic.  

Really, when was the last time ANY coach had significant success in Texas relative to the rest of the nation?  Texas produces good teams, but outside of 2005 and 2008, it hasn't really been dancing on the national stage.  A&M, Baylor, and TCU have all had their moments, but they haven't sustained, and in Baylor's case, should barely even be allowed to exist. 

My honest opinion is that Texas high school football with its flag football spread everybody go long defense be damned nonsense has stroked many an upper middle class QB dad ego, but it's ruined Texas college football when compared to the big boys in other states.

While I'm ranting, here's a self serving, gratuitous example of what ultimately happens when you rely too much on that crap.

Biggest challenge for Rhule is that he's a defense first, run heavy on offense coach (like Mac was).  Can he recruit in Texas to fit that system?  I don't know if that has anything whatsoever to do with "TEXAS TIES!" so much as it has to do with the Texas high school system. 

 

 

Westlake's best player and starting QB was out for that game I think so that might have a bit to do with the score.

I don't think the offensive schemes is the problem. A huge amount of these HS kids are a full year older than "normal" because mommy and daddy wanted to make sure they would be bigger and stronger when they got to HS and held them back early on. Combine that with the way the kids train in HS and you see more TX kids that are closer to a finished product coming out of HS than in other states.

Sure, they will get bigger and stronger, but not by as much as kids from other areas. I'd venture to say that is especially true in the larger metro areas. There's probably a fair amount of kids getting less scientific training out in east Texas than around here. Those kids might see a larger gain from college strength and nutrition programs.

[DT 90]

14 hours ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

I'm trying to think . . . who was the last northerner to have significant success head coaching at a Texas university?

Bob Stoops - University of Texas at Norman.

Urban, Stoops, Saban all have tremendous success recruiting in Texas. All three of their QBs on present teams are from Texas.  It's not whether they are from Texas but how they treat Texas high school coaches when they interact with them.  Mack Brown was a tremendous recruiter at Texas. He is a northerner.. from Tennessee.  His reputation in THSFC circles is through the roof. Once he met you he remembered your name the next time he saw you.   

[DT 90]

1 hour ago, oldguystudent said:

My honest opinion is that Texas high school football with its flag football spread everybody go long defense be damned nonsense has stroked many an upper middle class QB dad ego, but it's ruined Texas college football when compared to the big boys in other states.

 

 

 

Yet those other states' big boy schools like Ohio State and Alabama both run the very same offense that you are hammering against. A&M and Oklahoma beat Alabama several years ago. What does Saban do?  Changes OC and now runs the very same type of offense.   As I pointed out above, Saban even went to Texas to get a QBs to run it.  The difference is that both of these programs  recruits and develops defensive players.  

 

[oldguystudent]

1 minute ago, DT 90 said:

Yet those other states' big boy schools like Ohio State and Alabama both run the very same offense that you are hammering against. A&M and Oklahoma beat Alabama several years ago. What does Saban do?  Changes OC and now runs the very same type of offense.   As I pointed out above, Saban even went to Texas to get a QBs to run it.  The difference is that both of these programs  recruits and develops defensive players.  

 

While I detest the rampant everybody go long on sixth grade recess style offense that has taken over the game, I'm just as strongly against the defense be damned aspect of it.  Look at the Big XII for further evidence of that. 

Edited December 7, 2016 by oldguystudent

[DT 90]

Just now, oldguystudent said:

While I detest the rampant everybody go long on sixth grade recess style offense that has taken over the game, I'm just as strongly against the defense be damned aspect of it.  Look at the Big XII for further evidence of that. 

I totally agree with you. 3rd and 2. Run the damn ball and get the first down. Now days its bubble screen and loose 4 yards or streak pattern and a 45 yard incomplete pass attempt.

[UNTLifer]

My favorite part of our run during the DD Mo-Fo years was our defense and the running of Galbreath, Cobbs, Thomas, etc...

[Cerebus]

3 hours ago, oldguystudent said:

I can't honestly answer that question, but I do think the never ending "HE DOESN'T HAVE TEXAS TIES!!!111!! ELEVENTY-ONE!!" thing is entirely myopic.

Well of course you would.  

 

[Mean Green 93-98]

8 hours ago, oldguystudent said:

Really, when was the last time ANY coach had significant success in Texas relative to the rest of the nation?  Texas produces good teams, but outside of 2005 and 2008, it hasn't really been dancing on the national stage.  A&M, Baylor, and TCU have all had their moments, but they haven't sustained, and in Baylor's case, should barely even be allowed to exist. 

Your second two sentences fairly well answer the first.  Texas universities have had far more national football success than the vast majority of states.  But I just don't recall any of them having it with a coach that was both (1) northern and (2) without established Texas ties.

 

6 hours ago, DT 90 said:

Bob Stoops - University of Texas at Norman.

Urban, Stoops, Saban all have tremendous success recruiting in Texas. All three of their QBs on present teams are from Texas.  It's not whether they are from Texas but how they treat Texas high school coaches when they interact with them.  Mack Brown was a tremendous recruiter at Texas. He is a northerner.. from Tennessee. 

Tennessee is not remotely north of the Mason-Dixon line.  Call a Tennessean a northerner, and you'll probably have a fight on your hands.  And Mack, in addition to having a very warm, relatable personality (a primarily southern trait, I might add), had built Texas ties during his time at OU and Tulane before he went to UT.

And I wasn't really talking about coaches in other states being able to cherry pick a recruit or two out of Texas.  I was talking about success as a head coach at one of the universities in Texas.

[97and03]

7 hours ago, Cerebus said:

Well of course you would.  

 

[FirefightnRick]

12 hours ago, DT 90 said:

I totally agree with you. 3rd and 2. Run the damn ball and get the first down. Now days its bubble screen and loose 4 yards or streak pattern and a 45 yard incomplete pass attempt.

Ugh....so sick of it.  But completely agree.

 

Rick

[NT93]

On ‎12‎/‎7‎/‎2016 at 9:46 AM, oldguystudent said:

While I detest the rampant everybody go long on sixth grade recess style offense that has taken over the game, I'm just as strongly against the defense be damned aspect of it.  Look at the Big XII for further evidence of that. 

I don't know, man.  Most of the offenses I see throw of bunch of short, quick passes, at a very up-tempo pace.  I don't see a lot of "everybody go long."

I also don't agree with the "defense be damned" assessment.  I just think the spread offenses have made it almost impossible to judge defenses by the normal standards.  If the other team is running 100 plays a game, you are going to give up more yards and points than would normally be considered good.  Conversely, if your team is running an up-tempo offense, you aren't going to get much of a break before you are out on the field again. These offenses really put the pressure on defense in today's game.

Having said all that, I do think that these offenses (and terrible uniforms) are ruining the great college (and high school) game that I love. Reading that back to myself makes me realize what an old geezer I am...except that I'm not really that old. LOL.

I saw that Charlie Strong is reportedly in the running for the Temple job.  I know that Strong had his struggles at UT, but I think Temple may actually upgrade at the head coaching position if they get him.

Edited December 9, 2016 by NT93

[FirefightnRick]

Hired Cedar Hill's Joey McGuire.

 

http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/121416aaa.html

 

Rick

[emmitt01]

1 hour ago, FirefightnRick said:

Hired Cedar Hill's Joey McGuire.

 

http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/121416aaa.html

 

Rick

 Very smart

[Wag Tag]

9 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

Hired Cedar Hill's Joey McGuire.

 

http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/121416aaa.html

 

Rick

Again can definatly see Baylor dipping down into our level of recruits. They will not be able to compete with P5s on the recruiting trail. Hold on to Bradley! GMG