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http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article117609423.html

 

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....Much like the Dallas Cowboys are currently resetting a trend in the NFL behind a strong line and a running back, the Texas colleges can only make a run at the top once it re-embraces the brilliant brutality of football.

Watch Texas A&M’s 54-33 home loss to LSU. Pick any number of Texas’ smorgasbord of defeats this season. What Baylor and Texas Tech did this season on defense is insulting to Arena Football. The final score of TCU’s home loss to Oklahoma was 52-46.

Now watch Alabama play a football game. The same for USC. Enjoy Ohio State’s overtime win over Michigan.

Or, just watch the Cowboys.

All of the above line up and whip you. They will also hit you.

The spread offense that Art Briles, Mike Leach and many other coaches helped make popular throughout not only Texas and the nation needs to die, or moved to the backseat.

It is the equivalent of the run-and-shoot in basketball; it’s good enough to get you close but not win titles. The great state a Texas has to be about national championships, or why are we doing this

He's exactly right.

 

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Isn't trying to be more like Alabama what got Mack Brown fired? After losing the '09 NC game to Bama, he decided he wanted to be Alabama and go back to the Ricky Williams days but by that time, most Texas high schools were running the spread. You base your system on the best talent available to you. You want to win with Texas players? You run the spread.

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Following the loss in the BCS Championship Game to Alabama, Mack Brown led a call for revolution. He wanted to use Garrett Gilbert to get back to the pro-styled attack that had just beat him for the crystal football. After recruiting to play the spread with the likes of Vince Young and Colt McCoy, Brown wanted to flip the switch and get back to pounding the rock and throwing play-action passes.

Oh, and it failed. Failed miserably.

The 5-7 season that ensued was Brown's worst since he was in Chapel Hill trying to make the Tar Heels respectable

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1539637-texas-going-with-up-tempo-offense-is-mack-browns-last-stand

This dude obviously isn't familiar with Texas football within the past decade and a half.

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Texas tech d was terrible to watch.  They lived through some of our dodge days with a bit more success.  Painful nonetheless.

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10 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Isn't trying to be more like Alabama what got Mack Brown fired? After losing the '09 NC game to Bama, he decided he wanted to be Alabama and go back to the Ricky Williams days but by that time, most Texas high schools were running the spread. You base your system on the best talent available to you. You want to win with Texas players? You run the spread.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1539637-texas-going-with-up-tempo-offense-is-mack-browns-last-stand

This dude obviously isn't familiar with Texas football within the past decade and a half.

Mac Brown...the winningest coach Texas has had in how many years?  That Mac Brown?

 

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IMO, it really boils down to being able to dominate the line of scrimmage, run the football when necessary, and stop the run.  If you can't run, and can't stop the run, you're eventually toast.

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30 minutes ago, FirefightnRick said:

Mac Brown...the winningest coach Texas has had in how many years?  That Mac Brown?

 

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Yes, the Mack Brown that went to 2 National Championship games(winning one) running the spread offense with 2 mobile Texas HS quarterbacks. The same Mack Brown that lost to Alabama in his last National Championship game and decided to try and be Alabama. He subsequently went 5-7, fired his OC, and proceeded to get fired himself just 3 years later.

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11 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Yes, the Mack Brown that went to 2 National Championship games(winning one) running the spread offense with 2 mobile Texas HS quarterbacks. The same Mack Brown that lost to Alabama in his last National Championship game and decided to try and be Alabama. He subsequently went 5-7, fired his OC, and proceeded to get fired himself just 3 years later.

The key word there.."Mobil"...as in running the ball.  

Bama simply emphasizes it from the RB instead of the QB.  Brown realized this and probably tried to adjust because the odds favor finding good RB's skilled and built for the ground game over the rare Vince Young who could take the pounding.

 

 

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1 minute ago, FirefightnRick said:

The key word there.."Mobil"...as in running the ball.  

Bama simply emphasizes it from the RB instead of the QB.  Brown realized this and probably tried to adjust because the odds favor finding good RB's skilled and built for the ground game over the rare Vince Young who could take the pounding.

 

 

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Brown ran out of the spread. It wasn't until the '10 season after losing the NC to Alabama that he tried to go pro-style.

Know what else? Bama now runs the spread offense, with a mobile Texas HS quarterback.

 

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1 hour ago, LongJim said:

IMO, it really boils down to being able to dominate the line of scrimmage, run the football when necessary, and stop the run.  If you can't run, and can't stop the run, you're eventually toast.

Yep.  You can run the spread and have a great offensive rushing and passing attack.  That's what North Carolina did in Seth's last year.  However, you need the hogs up front offensively and defensively to win consistently.  

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This article has few mentions of fielding a sound defense, especially a sound defensive line.

Offense puts people in the seats but as the saying goes "Defense wins Championships".

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4 minutes ago, aztecskin said:

Please post more reactionary hot takes by columnists who take what guys like Gary Danielson say as gospel. I want to read more of that. 

Ok...I'll see what kind great SB Nation trash I can find for ya.

 

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Just gonna throw out there that while we're running a spread offense now, I'd propose it was the step-up in defense that got us to a bowl game this year. 

Anybody wanna argue it wasn't the same in 2013?

Maybe the spread scores more points faster, but I'm still all about the defense, and it seems to me that Texas football from middle school on up simply ignores it because those video game scores on offense are so flashy and fun to look at. 

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3 minutes ago, oldguystudent said:

Just gonna throw out there that while we're running a spread offense now, I'd propose it was the step-up in defense that got us to a bowl game this year. 

Anybody wanna argue it wasn't the same in 2013?

Maybe the spread scores more points faster, but I'm still all about the defense, and it seems to me that Texas football from middle school on up simply ignores it because those video game scores on offense are so flashy and fun to look at. 

I am greedy and want both.

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1 minute ago, oldguystudent said:

Just gonna throw out there that while we're running a spread offense now, I'd propose it was the step-up in defense that got us to a bowl game this year. 

Anybody wanna argue it wasn't the same in 2013?

Maybe the spread scores more points faster, but I'm still all about the defense, and it seems to me that Texas football from middle school on up simply ignores it because those video game scores on offense are so flashy and fun to look at. 

I'm hesitant to make moral judgements about folks on just their job performance. 

Historically, the defense finds a way to catch up to the offense but because this recent offensive revolution was partially fueled by rules changes, and enforcement. Now that the defense cannot (this is a good thing) blow up WRs accross the middle with abandon, one of the most valuable tools for stopping the offense is out of the toolbox. Slowing down the game (by removing the clock stoppages for first downs, or refs taking a little longer to allow a snap), changing some of the OL rules (do not allow them to get so far down the field) can help things a bit. 

We cannot win on just offense or just defense, though. Texas Tech looks ridiculous, but so did the 2014 NT team that was mostly defense and _derp_ on offense. Imagine if this year's team played to the defense's level? 

I firmly believe you can win with any offensive (or defensive) philosophy provided you can 1. recruit to it 2. teach it 3. execute it. 

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Texas' scoring defense final ranking since 2008:  18, 12*, 49, 33, 72, 57, 32**, 87, 90

http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/national/team/defense/split01/category09/sort01.html

* - 2009, in BCS final

** - 2014, Strong's first year

Texas hasn't been very good when they haven't fielded a top 20 defense.  Forget what kind of offense that they run.  Same goes for UNT.  In 2013 we had the #8 ranked scoring defense in the nation.

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18 minutes ago, FirefightnRick said:

Maybe the one legitimate multiple offense in college?

 

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The best, at least. Best talent and coaches. The NFL pipeline with receivers like Amari Cooper, Julio Jones, and the lesser regarded (but still good imo) Kevin Norwood.

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