I spent way too much time planning fictional realignment

[Caw Caw]

Hello Folks,

I a lot of time with a buddy talking about our dream scenario of realignment. Please note it was part geography and part competitiveness that drove it. I'm obviously a North Texas fan (G5) and he's a Notre Dame fan (Indy P5). So first let me hit you with how the CFB Playoffs work now in the wonderland before we go any further. 12 Teams, 10 conference champions and two at-large bids. Very March Madness like on a smaller scale. Obviously, 4 teams would have a first round bye depending on the ever-loathed ranking systems. Everyone gets a shot, even if they'll get dumpstered in the playoffs. Straight and clear path, no excuses, no east coast bias, etc.

With all that being said, there is still an obvious stratification of P5 and G5. This leads to a huge financial difference. How can we at least give the little man a shot at the big money? There are 10, 12 team conferences. The five P5 have a direct G5 affiliate. Why does this matter? We want CFB to work like the Premier League (that's soccer). The division champions of the G5 league will square off not only for the playoff game but for the right to pick which division they will land in in their affiliated P5. Both division champs are moving up anyway, it's just a little kicker. If you finished in last in your division in P5, better luck next year, you're moving down. While I won't go into detail about FCS, it could theoretically work the same way.

So what does moving up get you other than a harder path to the CFB Playoff? The almighty dollar. We all know the money is better up there and if you can stabilize yourself in your new shiny P5 league, you can reap the exposure rewards as well. It will also be a very quick litmus test to find out if and where a team really belongs. In order to do this we made some realignment decisions. This is what that looks like: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qaen8H0lEzs4HOVQDmLIvDtfZYpcVqLtssDXDsKU5y4/edit?usp=sharing

Southwest	Pacific	Midwest	Atlantic	SEC
Lonestar Division	Lewis	Agriculture	Continental	Jazz
Texas	USC	Notre Dame	Va Tech	Georgia Tech
A&M	Utah	Pitt	Louisville	Auburn
Baylor	San Diego State	Penn State	Virginia	La Tech
TCU	Colorado	Ohio State	West Virginia	LSU
Texas Tech	BYU	Nebraska	FSU	Georgia
Houston	UCLA	Missouri	Florida	Miss State
Native Division	Clark	Industrial	Coastal	Bluegrass
OU	Washington	Michigan	Miami	Ole Miss
OSU	Washingotn St	Michigan State	UNC	Tennessee
K-State	Cal	Iowa	Clemson	Vanderbilt
Arkansas	Boise St	Minnesota	Navy	Kentucky
Arizona	Stanford	Western Michigan	Temple	South Carolina
Arizona State	Oregon	Wisconsin	Duke	Alabama
Southwest Light	Pacific Light	Midwest Light	Atlantic Light	SEC Light
Lonestar Light	Lewis	Agriculture	Continental	Jazz
UNT	Air Force	Cincinatti	Marshall	Tulane
UTSA	San Jose	Purdue	Old Dominion	Southern Miss
SMU	Utah State	Indiana	Appalachan State	ULM
Rice	Hawaii	Ohio	USF	Georgia Southern
UTEP	Fresno State	Miami (OH)	UCF	FIU
Sam Houston	Eastern Wash	Akron	Charlotte	ULL
Natives Light	Clark	Industrial	Coastal	Bluegrass
Tulsa	Wyoming	Northwestern	Syracuse	Western Kentucky
Kansas	Oregon State	Illinois	NC State	Troy
Ark State	ND State	Toledo	Maryland	Middle Tennessee
Iowa State	UNLV	Eastern Mich	Rutgers	Memphis
New Mexico	Idaho	Central Mich	Boston College	Wake Forrest
Colorado State	Nevada	ND State	Army	South Alabama

 

There is some room for negotiation or suggestion on the realignment but this is what made sense to us. Hope this was at least entertaining and i'd love to hear your thoughts. (Yes i'm aware this will never happen).

Edit: For the Record. I wanted to call the SEC the Deep South.

Edited November 23, 2016 by Caw Caw

[UNTexas]

A for effort!!!

[Caw Caw]

13 minutes ago, UNTexas said:

A for effort!!!

Anything you would change or conference shake up you think we missed?

[wardly]

Suggest you work on something you can change, like helmets and uniforms.

[southsideguy]

this is kinda of like fun with flags , only better.

[emmitt01]

Where is Texas State?

[UNTexas]

22 minutes ago, Caw Caw said:

Anything you would change or conference shake up you think we missed?

I'd nix Sam Houston for Texas State. I'd also try and fit teams like New Mexico, UTEP, Colorado State, ect into a Rocky Mountain type division. Oh, and I'd give NMSU one last chance in D1 football.

Edited November 24, 2016 by UNTexas

[Wag Tag]

1 hour ago, Caw Caw said:

Hello Folks,

I a lot of time with a buddy talking about our dream scenario of realignment. Please note it was part geography and part competitiveness that drove it. I'm obviously a North Texas fan (G5) and he's a Notre Dame fan (Indy P5). So first let me hit you with how the CFB Playoffs work now in the wonderland before we go any further. 12 Teams, 10 conference champions and two at-large bids. Very March Madness like on a smaller scale. Obviously, 4 teams would have a first round bye depending on the ever-loathed ranking systems. Everyone gets a shot, even if they'll get dumpstered in the playoffs. Straight and clear path, no excuses, no east coast bias, etc.

With all that being said, there is still an obvious stratification of P5 and G5. This leads to a huge financial difference. How can we at least give the little man a shot at the big money? There are 10, 12 team conferences. The five P5 have a direct G5 affiliate. Why does this matter? We want CFB to work like the Premier League (that's soccer). The division champions of the G5 league will square off not only for the playoff game but for the right to pick which division they will land in in their affiliated P5. Both division champs are moving up anyway, it's just a little kicker. If you finished in last in your division in P5, better luck next year, you're moving down. While I won't go into detail about FCS, it could theoretically work the same way.

So what does moving up get you other than a harder path to the CFB Playoff? The almighty dollar. We all know the money is better up there and if you can stabilize yourself in your new shiny P5 league, you can reap the exposure rewards as well. It will also be a very quick litmus test to find out if and where a team really belongs. In order to do this we made some realignment decisions. This is what that looks like: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qaen8H0lEzs4HOVQDmLIvDtfZYpcVqLtssDXDsKU5y4/edit?usp=sharing

Southwest	Pacific	Midwest	Atlantic	SEC
Lonestar Division	Lewis	Agriculture	Continental	Jazz
Texas	USC	Notre Dame	Va Tech	Georgia Tech
A&M	Utah	Pitt	Louisville	Auburn
Baylor	San Diego State	Penn State	Virginia	La Tech
TCU	Colorado	Ohio State	West Virginia	LSU
Texas Tech	BYU	Nebraska	FSU	Georgia
Houston	UCLA	Missouri	Florida	Miss State
Native Division	Clark	Industrial	Coastal	Bluegrass
OU	Washington	Michigan	Miami	Ole Miss
OSU	Washingotn St	Michigan State	UNC	Tennessee
K-State	Cal	Iowa	Clemson	Vanderbilt
Arkansas	Boise St	Minnesota	Navy	Kentucky
Arizona	Stanford	Western Michigan	Temple	South Carolina
Arizona State	Oregon	Wisconsin	Duke	Alabama
Southwest Light	Pacific Light	Midwest Light	Atlantic Light	SEC Light
Lonestar Light	Lewis	Agriculture	Continental	Jazz
UNT	Air Force	Cincinatti	Marshall	Tulane
UTSA	San Jose	Purdue	Old Dominion	Southern Miss
SMU	Utah State	Indiana	Appalachan State	ULM
Rice	Hawaii	Ohio	USF	Georgia Southern
UTEP	Fresno State	Miami (OH)	UCF	FIU
Sam Houston	Eastern Wash	Akron	Charlotte	ULL
Natives Light	Clark	Industrial	Coastal	Bluegrass
Tulsa	Wyoming	Northwestern	Syracuse	Western Kentucky
Kansas	Oregon State	Illinois	NC State	Troy
Ark State	ND State	Toledo	Maryland	Middle Tennessee
Iowa State	UNLV	Eastern Mich	Rutgers	Memphis
New Mexico	Idaho	Central Mich	Boston College	Wake Forrest
Colorado State	Nevada	ND State	Army	South Alabama

 

There is some room for negotiation or suggestion on the realignment but this is what made sense to us. Hope this was at least entertaining and i'd love to hear your thoughts. (Yes i'm aware this will never happen).

Edit: For the Record. I wanted to call the SEC the Deep South.

You might be on to something! We all know the big12 is going to blow up! I sure enjoyed playing Tulsa and Tulane! Thanks 

[TripleGrad]

And the 8 or 9 missing FBS teams?

Scheduling would be disastrous year to year, if teams are jumping in and out of conferences. 

 

 

[GMG_Dallas]

Would make it difficult to establish rivalries for those who are stuck between two levels and are constantly jumping up and down. Love the idea of sports following the European soccer league structures with relegation.

[Caw Caw]

5 hours ago, UNTexas said:

I'd nix Sam Houston for Texas State. I'd also try and fit teams like New Mexico, UTEP, Colorado State, ect into a Rocky Mountain type division. Oh, and I'd give NMSU one last chance in D1 football.

We did go over every single D1 team. And then the top of the FCS. Because FCS - G5 change in a similar manner to P5/G5 any really wrong moves we would have made would correct themselves over time. I totally see the validity of moving UTEP to the Pacific side of things. NMSU is bad, T-state is bad and Sam Houston is on top of their league. There were several teams we didn't like relegating to FCS, but the numbers had to be balanced for the system to function best. If you could give me the schools you'd take out NMSU etc, it makes it easier for me to consider the change.

5 hours ago, emmitt01 said:

Where is Texas State?

In FCS where they belong. We figured Sam Houston could beat them. I'm up for being wrong though.

[GreenMachine]

A for effort but F for not knowing the difference between the sound of an Eagle and a Crow.

[PlummMeanGreen]

IMHO, a good criteria to go by if any school is a contender or pretender of wanting to be in any future D1 conference re-alignment would be they having at least a 30,000 seat stadium; other-wise you are mixing too many true D2 schools with those who are D1 & might even one day entertain the idea of being the next Louisville or Boise State (both former conference-mates of North Texas I might add).  

Edited November 24, 2016 by PlummMeanGreen

[Hunter Green]

8 hours ago, GreenMachine said:

A for effort but F for not knowing the difference between the sound of an Eagle and a Crow.

This.

[Christopher Walker]

@Caw Caw, I've seen this Premiere League system articulated a few times on /r/cfb, and I fully endorse it here now as I have then. It would be a fantastic and fun system.

On 11/23/2016 at 6:36 PM, TripleGrad said:

And the 8 or 9 missing FBS teams?

Scheduling would be disastrous year to year, if teams are jumping in and out of conferences. 

I don't think the scheduling would be disastrous; you'd just be swapping the schedule of the team you're replacing.

Non-conference games could have added gravitas by playing between the P5-G5 divide as well.

[shaft]

There are 12 teams in the State of Texas, what more do you need.

Lone: UT, ATM, Houston, Rice, TxSt, UTSA

Star: Baylor, TTech, TCU, SMU, UNT, UTEP

 

 

[Caw Caw]

On 11/23/2016 at 11:43 PM, GreenMachine said:

A for effort but F for not knowing the difference between the sound of an Eagle and a Crow.

 

On 11/24/2016 at 8:11 AM, Hunter Green said:

This.

I'm well aware. I chose this name because it puts old fuddy duddy fans like yourself on tilt. People showing up making this sound at the stadium is better than an empty seat.

[Hunter Green]

No, it just makes you sound like an idiot.

[Caw Caw]

5 minutes ago, Hunter Green said:

No, it just makes you sound like an idiot.

Yes a username on internet forum makes me sound like an idiot. The effect it has had on my life has rattled me to the bone. I think i'll sit here and rethink my life entirely because of this great point you have made. You are wise beyond human comprehension. Thy Davy Crockett inspired wisdom, cherry-picked from an internet quote site, has awakened me.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Caw Caw

[Hunter Green]

3 minutes ago, Caw Caw said:

Yes a username on internet forum makes me sound like an idiot. The effect it has had on my life has rattled me to the bone. I think i'll sit here and rethink my life entirely because of this great point you have made. You are wise beyond human comprehension. Thy Davy Crockett inspired wisdom, cherry-picked from an internet quote sight, has awakened me.

You stated, " People showing up making this sound at the stadium is better than an empty seat." I simply contend that anyone making that sound at our games, is oblivious, and therefore, an idiot. I have no care or interest in what your username is. Go find your safe space. It will be alright.

[GreenMachine]

12 hours ago, Caw Caw said:

 

I'm well aware. I chose this name because it puts old fuddy duddy fans like yourself on tilt. People showing up making this sound at the stadium is better than an empty seat.

Or maybe you just don't have a clue?

12 hours ago, Hunter Green said:

You stated, " People showing up making this sound at the stadium is better than an empty seat." I simply contend that anyone making that sound at our games, is oblivious, and therefore, an idiot. I have no care or interest in what your username is. Go find your safe space. It will be alright.

He needs a diaper pin?