DRC: UNT has bowl hopes, ace in the hole with APR score

Brett Vito · November 10, 2016

DRC:UNT's academic prowess could come into play if the Mean Green finish with five wins

http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/sports-headlines/20161109-bowl-hopes-up-in-air-as-season-dwindles.ece

Edited November 10, 2016 by Brett Vito

UNT Five&Dime · November 10, 2016

#ThanksRV

MeanGreen13 · November 10, 2016

More like #ThanksMacDaddyPat

Wag Tag · November 10, 2016

22 minutes ago, Brett Vito said:

DRC:UNT's academic prowess could come into play of the Mean Green finish with five wins

http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/sports-headlines/20161109-bowl-hopes-up-in-air-as-season-dwindles.ece

23 minutes ago, Brett Vito said:

DRC:UNT's academic prowess could come into play of the Mean Green finish with five wins

http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/sports-headlines/20161109-bowl-hopes-up-in-air-as-season-dwindles.ece

Great article in the DMN. " Posting a score that rivals those schools is a dramatic step forward."

Would really be sweet going to a bowl game evan at 5/7. It would be a big plus advertising our APR ranking for the university!

Withers940 · November 10, 2016

Where do we find these ratings?

NTAlum09 · November 10, 2016

1 hour ago, Brett Vito said:

DRC:UNT's academic prowess could come into play of the Mean Green finish with five wins

http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/sports-headlines/20161109-bowl-hopes-up-in-air-as-season-dwindles.ece

Garbage article and headline.

FirefightnRick · November 10, 2016

I hate this talk. We have no business going to a bowl game with only 5 wins. It was ok in '01 because of special circumstances. But not today.

Rick

SilverEagle · November 10, 2016

1 hour ago, FirefightnRick said:

I hate this talk. We have no business going to a bowl game with only 5 wins. It was ok in '01 because of special circumstances. But not today.

Rick

I could "suggest" that turning 1-11 program into a 5-7 program in just one year is pretty "special", and a good reason to tolerate backing into a bowl appearance. Besides, how could we pass up the opportunity to get all that extra practice in and thus give the program a big boost for the 2017 season? AND, it could help recruiting.

Travis · November 10, 2016

I'd be happy and a bit disappointed at the same time.

Mean Green 93-98 · November 10, 2016

1 hour ago, FirefightnRick said:

I hate this talk. We have no business going to a bowl game with only 5 wins. It was ok in '01 because of special circumstances. But not today.

Not sure why the downvotes, as I understand why someone would want their team to pass on a bowl invite if they feel it is undeserved. But what were the special circumstances in '01? It was a little embarrassing then, especially considering we were the school that prompted the "6 wins to qualify" rule, but we took it. What would make it worse now than then?

SilverEagle · November 10, 2016

5 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

Not sure why the downvotes, as I understand why someone would want their team to pass on a bowl invite if they feel it is undeserved. But what were the special circumstances in '01? It was a little embarrassing then, especially considering we were the school that prompted the "6 wins to qualify" rule, but we took it. What would make it worse now than then?

We were co-conference champs

NTAlum09 · November 10, 2016

That's fine if you want to down vote.

Last time I checked we still had 3 games left on the schedule and we have people on here already talking about a damn bowl game. You say you're a fan but you already now have the team's record at 5-7? Go look up our standings and it will show that we are still 4-5 and not 5-7. Respect is earn and not given and when you say stuff like what I'm seeing on this thread, it makes us look soft and desperate.

Get off the damn bowl projections websites because none of it's true until the regular season is over.

MeanGreenTexan · November 10, 2016

3 minutes ago, NTAlum09 said:

That's fine if you want to down vote.

Last time I checked we still had 3 games left on the schedule and we have people on here already talking about a damn bowl game. You say you're a fan but you already now have the team's record at 5-7? Go look up our standings and it will show that we are still 4-5 and not 5-7. Respect is earn and not given and when you say stuff like what I'm seeing on this thread, it makes us look soft and desperate.

Get off the damn bowl projections websites because none of it's true until the regular season is over.

With this same mindset, we can just forget watching recruiting sites and following any kind of recruiting until NSD.

It's fun man. Relax. Everyone knows these are not ironclad and there is alot of room for change. If UNT can win 1 more, we're at 5-7 and the APR score definitely comes into play. If we can win even more than that, great! If we can't win another game, crap! There's only so much we can talk about during game week though.

GrandGreen · November 10, 2016

13 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

Not sure why the downvotes, as I understand why someone would want their team to pass on a bowl invite if they feel it is undeserved. But what were the special circumstances in '01? It was a little embarrassing then, especially considering we were the school that prompted the "6 wins to qualify" rule, but we took it. What would make it worse now than then?

NT won the bowl bid with the rules in place at the time, therefore they went to a bowl. They had one loss in conference and beat MTSU the other co-champion.

They deserved and won the bid. I feel completely different about an at large bid for 5-7 record team. I would be happy and support the team if they got a bid this year, but frankly I think the bowl game bar is ridiculously low.

NTAlum09 · November 10, 2016

Just now, MeanGreenTexan said:

With this same mindset, we can just forget watching recruiting sites and following any kind of recruiting until NSD.

It's fun man. Relax. Everyone knows these are not ironclad and there is alot of room for change. If UNT can win 1 more, we're at 5-7 and the APR score definitely comes into play. If we can win even more than that, great! If we can't win another game, crap! There's only so much we can talk about during game week though.

I am relax but don't be content with just 5-7. The coaching staff and player's work hard and they want more than just 5-7.

Cerebus · November 10, 2016

2 hours ago, Withers940 said:

Where do we find these ratings?

NCAA Division 1 Academic Progress Rate Reports.

I wrote about our APR lookout here.

FirefightnRick · November 10, 2016

39 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

Not sure why the downvotes, as I understand why someone would want their team to pass on a bowl invite if they feel it is undeserved. But what were the special circumstances in '01? It was a little embarrassing then, especially considering we were the school that prompted the "6 wins to qualify" rule, but we took it. What would make it worse now than then?

We were co-conference champions, and beat the other co-champions the MUTS to earn the bid.

And because it was the inaugural football season for the Sun Belt Conference, AND the inaugural season for the New Orleans Bowl, which the Sun Belt Conference Champion was directly tied to...North Texas was offered the bid the night we won conference by beating Idaho.

And the reason the bid was offered and accepted that night was because due to TV slot availability the NO Bowl was scheduled to be the first bowl game of the bowl season which was in a little over two weeks from then. So there was absolutely no time and no way to know that we would lose the final regular season game the next week to Troy who was in their 1-AA to 1-A transitional season.

The conference was won, the bid was offered and accepted and product and materials on advertisements etc for the inaugural New Orleans Bowl were already being printed up before the Troy game even kicked off the next week.

Just a very bad circumstance for all involved but there was nothing we could do about it.

Oh....and I understand not everyone is going to agree me so I don't mind the down votes at all.

Rick

Cerebus · November 10, 2016

Hayden Fry had to work in the system he was in, and he got hosed out of bowl games because of that system. Littrell has to work in the system he is in, and he would be a fool not to take a bowl slot if the system's rules decided that we deserved one.

MeanGreenTexan · November 10, 2016

4 minutes ago, NTAlum09 said:

I am relax but don't be content with just 5-7. The coaching staff and player's work hard and they want more than just 5-7.

I am already "content" with this season. We've played so much better than last year. I can tell the guys are bought-in and playing their tails off. If they win 3 more games, I'll be ecstatic, if they don't win any more, I won't consider the season a failure. But then again, I'm a fan. My mindset is going to be different than a player/coach on the team.

I hope the players/coaches on the team went into the season thinking they're going to go 14-0 with a National Championship. I hope they see the next 3 games as ones they WILL WIN. That should be their mindset. So I expect them to want/expect more than 5-7.

forevereagle · November 10, 2016

1 hour ago, GrandGreen said:

NT won the bowl bid with the rules in place at the time, therefore they went to a bowl. They had one loss in conference and beat MTSU the other co-champion.

They deserved and won the bid. I feel completely different about an at large bid for 5-7 record team. I would be happy and support the team if they got a bid this year, but frankly I think the bowl game bar is ridiculously low.

If we go this year, we will have won a bowl bid with the rules in place at the time and would therefore go to a bowl. If 5-7 is the threshold based on our circumstances, then it is the threshold. It would be silly to turn down a bowl because we don't feel right about it. The extra practice time and recruiting boost would be helpful in advancing towards a better season next year and would help us compete for a conference championship. The bar to get a bowl game is lower than it used to be, but we should still not hesitate to accept the advantages that it provides to us if it is available.

NTAlum09 · November 10, 2016

1 minute ago, forevereagle said:

If we go this year, we will have won a bowl bid with the rules in place at the time and would therefore go to a bowl. If 5-7 is the threshold based on our circumstances, then it is the threshold. It would be silly to turn down a bowl because we don't feel right about it. The extra practice time and recruiting boost would be helpful in advancing towards a better season next year and would help us compete for a conference championship. The bar to get a bowl game is lower than it used to be, but we should still not hesitate to accept the advantages that it provides to us if it is available.

You sound like a desperate Debbie

UNT 90 Grad · November 10, 2016

If you get into a bowl under the established rules, you deserve to be in the bowl. Getting in with 5 wins because of our APR alone shouldn't be a reason to pass on a bowl. Sounds like some in here really should instead focus their complaining either toward the rules or toward the number of bowls.

GTWT · November 10, 2016

2 hours ago, NTAlum09 said:

I am relax but don't be content with just 5-7. The coaching staff and player's work hard and they want more than just 5-7.

What were your expectations in August? Yes, I'm sure the players, coaches, & fans want more than 5 & 7, but still 5-7 is a great improvement over 1-11 & everyone should be proud of the hard work that went into that turn-around.

ntsumck · November 10, 2016

4 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

I hate this talk. We have no business going to a bowl game with only 5 wins. It was ok in '01 because of special circumstances. But not today.

Rick

I do not like it much either, If we get asked we need to accept. Those 15 extra practice days will pay off next season! Especially with the younger guys and redshirts. Not to mention on the recruiting trail that we are bowling.