Future Open Date Thread

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

I'll post the future open dates for the P5 conference schools.  Many on board believe scheduling a P5 is as simple as a phone call away.  I think evidence will show that it's not. 

Started with the ACC, listed below.  As you can see, there are 45 games schedule at G5 schools in the future for ACC schools.  Only two are in Texas.  One of those is Louisville going to play former conference mate Houston this year.

The vast majority of the OOC G5 roadies for the ACC schools are against regionally close G5s.  Clemson, Syracuse, and Pitt appear to have decided just not to schedule G5 roadies with only two among them, both to regionally near schools.  Zero OOC G5 roadies for Clemson.

Boston College, 2019-2029: at Massachusetts (2016, 2021), Connecticut (2017, 2023)
Clemson, 2020-21, 2023-2025: No G5 away OOC scheduled
Florida State, 2017 – 2027: at South Florida (2016), Boise State (2020)
Louisville, 2018 – 2027:  at Marshall (2016), Houston (2016)
NC State, 2020, 2021, 2023-2027:  at Marshall (2018), Troy (2020), East Carolina (2016, 2022), Connecticut (2023)
Syracuse, 2017-2027:  at Connecticut (2016)
Wake Forest:  2020-2027: at Army (2021, 2024, 2026), Appalachian State (2017), Tulane (2018), Rice (2019), Old Dominion (2020)
Duke, 2020-2027: at Army (2017), Middle Tennessee (2019), Charlotte (2021)
Georgia Tech, 2018-2020, 2022-2027: at Central Florida (2017), Tulane (2019), South Florida (2022)
Miami (FL), 2017-2027: at Appalachian State (2016), Arkansas State (2017), Toledo (2018), FIU (2019)
North Carolina, 2019-2027: at Old Dominion (2017), East Carolina (2018), Central Florida (2020), Georgia State (2022), Charlotte (2025)
Pitt, 2018-2027: at Marshall (2020)
Virginia, 2019-2027:  at Connecticut (2016), Boise State (2017), Old Dominion (2020), BYU (2021, 2025)
Virginia Tech, 2026-2031:  at East Carolina (2017, 2019, 2023, 2025), Old Dominion (2018, 2022, 2024)

[FirefightnRick]

No one has implied they are as simple as a phone call away.

 It's the effort, or a lack of that pissed people off, especially when they were misled concerning scheduling and for reasons for scheduling 12 straight games without a break.

 

 

 

Rick

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

The Big 12 schools currently have 25 G5 OOC roadies on future schedules, ten against Texas G5s.

Of those ten, two are part of a rivalry series (TCU/SMU Battle for the Skillet), and two are being played at the Houston Texans' home field instead of the host school's home stadium.

So, out of the 25 roadies, you've got only six true blue OOC games against Texas G5s...and, four of those come courtesy of Baylor. 

Outside of Baylor, through 2027, you have only Kansas at Houston in 2019, and Texas Tech at UTEP in 2020 as Big 12 OOC G5 roadies.

Kansas State has no OOC G5 roadies scheduled.

OPINION:  Many Big 12 schools already get exposure in the DFW market.  The Big 12's Texas and Oklahoma really are the Big 12 market.  Texas A&M also gets as much "ink" as those two in the DFW media.

You have to weigh what the upside is for Big 12 schools scheduling yet another game in the DFW area.  Each already goes to TCU every other year, as well as Baylor, just 90 miles south.  Texas and OU already play a game in Dallas annually. 

Texas Tech and Baylor have played their games at Arlington's Cowboy Stadium since 2009, and are signed to continue playing each other there through 2018.

My best guess is that we are left to chase the Kansas schools, Iowa State, and possibly Oklahoma State. 

In even number years, Oklahoma State plays at TCU and at Baylor.  They could nail down a continued DFW presence with odd numbered year games in Denton!  I'd trade the SMU series for some visits from Oklahoma State, the Kansas schools, and Iowa State.

Like Oklahoma State, Kansas State also plays Baylor and TCU on the road in even numbered years.

West Virginia plays at Baylor and TCU in odd numbered years.  Would they welcome and even number year series with us to bulk up Texas presence?  Worth a shot.

Baylor, 2019, 2023-25: at Rice (2016, 2019), UTSA (2018), Louisiana Tech (2021), Texas State (2022)
Iowa State, 2024-2027: at Akron (2017), UNLV (2021), Ohio (2023), Arkansas State (2025)
Kansas, 2019-2027: at Memphis (2016), Ohio (2017), Central Michigan (2018), Houston (2019)
Kansas State, 2020-2027: No G5 away OOC scheduled
Oklahoma, 2019-2031: at Houston (2016, not on campus), Army (2020), Tulane (2021)
Oklahoma State, 2019, 2022-23: at South Alabama (2017), Tulsa (2019), Boise State (2021)
TCU, 2017-2027: at SMU (2016, 2018)
Texas, 2020-2027: at Rice (not at Rice Stadium, at NRG), South Florida (2022)
Texas Tech, 2018, 2021-2027: at UTEP (2020), Colorado State (2025)
West Virginia, 2018-2027: at East Carolina (2020)

Edited August 11, 2016 by MeanGreenMailbox

[UNT90]

1 hour ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

I'll post the future open dates for the P5 conference schools.  Many on board believe scheduling a P5 is as simple as a phone call away.  I think evidence will show that it's not. 

Started with the ACC, listed below.  As you can see, there are 45 games schedule at G5 schools in the future for ACC schools.  Only two are in Texas.  One of those is Louisville going to play former conference mate Houston this year.

The vast majority of the OOC G5 roadies for the ACC schools are against regionally close G5s.  Clemson, Syracuse, and Pitt appear to have decided just not to schedule G5 roadies with only two among them, both to regionally near schools.  Zero OOC G5 roadies for Clemson.

Boston College, 2019-2029: at Massachusetts (2016, 2021), Connecticut (2017, 2023)
Clemson, 2020-21, 2023-2025: No G5 away OOC scheduled
Florida State, 2017 – 2027: at South Florida (2016), Boise State (2020)
Louisville, 2018 – 2027:  at Marshall (2016), Houston (2016)
NC State, 2020, 2021, 2023-2027:  at Marshall (2018), Troy (2020), East Carolina (2016, 2022), Connecticut (2023)
Syracuse, 2017-2027:  at Connecticut (2016)
Wake Forest:  2020-2027: at Army (2021, 2024, 2026), Appalachian State (2017), Tulane (2018), Rice (2019), Old Dominion (2020)
Duke, 2020-2027: at Army (2017), Middle Tennessee (2019), Charlotte (2021)
Georgia Tech, 2018-2020, 2022-2027: at Central Florida (2017), Tulane (2019), South Florida (2022)
Miami (FL), 2017-2027: at Appalachian State (2016), Arkansas State (2017), Toledo (2018), FIU (2019)
North Carolina, 2019-2027: at Old Dominion (2017), East Carolina (2018), Central Florida (2020), Georgia State (2022), Charlotte (2025)
Pitt, 2018-2027: at Marshall (2020)
Virginia, 2019-2027:  at Connecticut (2016), Boise State (2017), Old Dominion (2020), BYU (2021, 2025)
Virginia Tech, 2026-2031:  at East Carolina (2017, 2019, 2023, 2025), Old Dominion (2018, 2022, 2024)

Ah, the defense of RV continues. Why don't you list open dates like you said you were going to do? Shady, shady, shady. 

41 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

The Big 12 schools currently have 25 G5 OOC roadies on future schedules, ten against Texas G5s.

Of those ten, two are part of a rivalry series (TCU/SMU Battle for the Skillet), and two are being played at the Houston Texans' home field instead of the host school's home stadium.

So, out of the 25 roadies, you've got only six true blue OOC games against Texas G5s...and, four of those come courtesy of Baylor. 

Outside of Baylor, through 2027, you have only Kansas at Houston in 2019, and Texas Tech at UTEP in 2020 as Big 12 OOC G5 roadies.

Kansas State has no OOC G5 roadies scheduled.

OPINION:  Many Big 12 schools already get exposure in the DFW market.  The Big 12's Texas and Oklahoma really are the Big 12 market.  Texas A&M also gets as much "ink" as those two in the DFW media.

You have to weigh what the upside is for Big 12 schools scheduling yet another game in the DFW area.  Each already goes to TCU every other year, as well as Baylor, just 90 miles south.  Texas and OU already play a game in Dallas annually. 

Texas Tech and Baylor have played their games at Arlington's Cowboy Stadium since 2009, and are signed to continue playing each other there through 2018.

My best guess is that we are left to chase the Kansas schools, Iowa State, and possibly Oklahoma State. 

In even number years, Oklahoma State plays at TCU and at Baylor.  They could nail down a continued DFW presence with odd numbered year games in Denton!  I'd trade the SMU series for some visits from Oklahoma State, the Kansas schools, and Iowa State.

Like Oklahoma State, Kansas State also plays Baylor and TCU on the road in even numbered years.

West Virginia plays at Baylor and TCU in odd numbered years.  Would they welcome and even number year series with us to bulk up Texas presence?  Worth a shot.

Baylor, 2019, 2023-25: at Rice (2016, 2019), UTSA (2018), Louisiana Tech (2021), Texas State (2022)
Iowa State, 2024-2027: at Akron (2017), UNLV (2021), Ohio (2023), Arkansas State (2025)
Kansas, 2019-2027: at Memphis (2016), Ohio (2017), Central Michigan (2018), Houston (2019)
Kansas State, 2020-2027: No G5 away OOC scheduled
Oklahoma, 2019-2031: at Houston (2016, not on campus), Army (2020), Tulane (2021)
Oklahoma State, 2019, 2022-23: at South Alabama (2017), Tulsa (2019), Boise State (2021)
TCU, 2017-2027: at SMU (2016, 2018)
Texas, 2020-2027: at Rice (not at Rice Stadium, at NRG), South Florida (2022)
Texas Tech, 2018, 2021-2027: at UTEP (2020), Colorado State (2025)
West Virginia, 2018-2027: at East Carolina (2020)

Again, we get a lot of opinion from you on why something can't be done to support your terribly wrong opinion on a former AD. 

Why don't you list open dates? That's what you said would be the purpose of this thread. 

So the Big 12 is playing 25 away G5 games, 10 inside the state of Texas, and not a one is occurring at Apogee Stadium, even after ticket holders were promised better opponents. Got it.

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

KEY: For 90's sake
If a year is listed after a school, it has an open date in their OOC schedule for that year.  It's pretty simple, really.  Here's an example, from Kansas:

Kansas, 2019-2027: at Memphis (2016), Ohio (2017), Central Michigan (2018), Houston (2019)

Kansas has room for OOC games in each year from 2019 though 2027.  In 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019 they have scheduled games against G5 schools on the road.  Kansas' OOC schedules for 2016-2018 are already filled; therefore, they have no open dates in those years.  I don't know how to be more succinct than that.

So, how is that shady?  I've listed the years schools currently show open OOC dates and given the number of G5 schools they have scheduled, thus far, for future OOC games.  It's not complicated.
 

 

[UNT90]

1 minute ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

KEY: For 90's sake
If a year is listed after a school, it has an open date in their OOC schedule for that year.  It's pretty simple, really.  Here's an example, from Kansas:

Kansas, 2019-2027: at Memphis (2016), Ohio (2017), Central Michigan (2018), Houston (2019)

Kansas has room for OOC games in each year from 2019 though 2027.  In 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019 they have scheduled games against G5 schools on the road.  Kansas' OOC schedules for 2016-2018 are already filled; therefore, they have no open dates in those years.  I don't know how to be more succinct than that.

So, how is that shady?  I've listed the years schools currently show open OOC dates and given the number of G5 schools they have scheduled, thus far, for future OOC games.  It's not complicated.
 

 

So, lots of open dates, which was the initial reason for the thread, but something you conveniently ignore in your analysis? 

Spin much?

[Cr1028]

29 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

Ah, the defense of RV continues. Why don't you list open dates like you said you were going to do? Shady, shady, shady. 

32 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

Ah, the defense of RV continues. Why don't you list open dates like you said you were going to do? Shady, shady, shady. 

Again, we get a lot of opinion from you on why something can't be done to support your terribly wrong opinion on a former AD. 

Why don't you list open dates? That's what you said would be the purpose of this thread. 

So the Big 12 is playing 25 away G5 games, 10 inside the state of Texas, and not a one is occurring at Apogee Stadium, even after ticket holders were promised better opponents. Got it.

So you think these powerful P5 schools will come play in our stadium out of the kindness of their heart? or because our really great AD convinced them that the lack of benefit to their program is less important to them than filling our stadium for us?

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

11 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

So, lots of open dates, which was the initial reason for the thread, but something you conveniently ignore in your analysis? 

Spin much?

The analysis is spin?  Based on schedules by the schools themselves:

-ACC schedules G5 OOCs in their region with few exceptions; only two times in Texas so far
-Big 12 schedules G5 OOCs, but not even 50% of the time.  Taking away games off campus and the SMU/TCU Skillet games, it drops to 12% scheduled games. 

That's not spin.  That's just looking at the fact already out there in the contracts.  How is looking at the trends of how schools schedule in different region spin?

Scheduling is two way street.  Schools have to have a reason to go a long way on the road.  As you can see, only two ACC schools through 2027 are even bothering to come to Texas.  That's not spin.  That's looking at schedules and seeing where schools will and will not go.   

 

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

Big Ten has 22 G5 away OOCs scheduled - only one in Texas, though:  academic powerhouse Northwestern at Rice in 2025.

Indiana and Maryland are the only two Big Ten schools who regularly schedule G5 away OOC, and we've already had Indiana at Apogee in 2011.

Indiana, 2024-2027: at FIU (2016, 2018), Ball State (2019, played at Lucas Oil Stadium, not on campus), Connecticut (2020), Western Kentucky (2021), Cincinnati (2022)
Maryland, 2021-2029: at FIU (2016), Central Florida (2016), Bowling Green (2018), Northern Illinois (2021), Charlotte (2022)
Michigan, 2018-19, 2021-27:  No G5 away OOC scheduled
Michigan State, 2018-27: at BYU (2020), Boise State (2021)
Ohio State, 2020-2027: No G5 away OOC scheduled
Penn State, 2020-2027: No G5 away OOC scheduled
Rutgers, 2019-2027: No G5 away OOC scheduled
Illinois, 2023-2027: at South Florida (2017), Connecticut (2019)
Iowa, 2019-2025: No G5 away OOC scheduled
Minnesota, 2019-2025: at Fresno (2019)
Nebraska, 2020, 2022-2031: at Cincinnati (2025)
Northwestern, 2018-2027: at Rice (2025)
Purdue, 2019-2029: at Nevada (2019)
Wisconsin, 2020-2027: at BYU (2017), South Florida (2019), Hawaii (2024)

[Withers940]

GIVE ME A HOME AND HOME.......Is that just a phone call away?

[UNT90]

1 hour ago, Cr1028 said:

So you think these powerful P5 schools will come play in our stadium out of the kindness of their heart? or because our really great AD convinced them that the lack of benefit to their program is less important to them than filling our stadium for us?

I don't know, why don't we ask the Texas St AD who somehow managed to get Texas Tech at home.

#expectmore

57 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

The analysis is spin?  Based on schedules by the schools themselves:

-ACC schedules G5 OOCs in their region with few exceptions; only two times in Texas so far
-Big 12 schedules G5 OOCs, but not even 50% of the time.  Taking away games off campus and the SMU/TCU Skillet games, it drops to 12% scheduled games. 

That's not spin.  That's just looking at the fact already out there in the contracts.  How is looking at the trends of how schools schedule in different region spin?

Scheduling is two way street.  Schools have to have a reason to go a long way on the road.  As you can see, only two ACC schools through 2027 are even bothering to come to Texas.  That's not spin.  That's looking at schedules and seeing where schools will and will not go.   

 

No, that's spin. You originally sad you were going to research how many P5s had open dates on their schedule. When you didn't get the result you wanted, you decided to change your narrative.

That's spin, my TFLF friend. 

Not to mention excuse making. 

#expectmore

Edited August 11, 2016 by UNT90

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

I am showing the P5 open dates.  I've listed the years each P5 school has open dates.  There's no narrative to have.  It's just a list. 

I think you are disappointed that the schedules are showing that the vast majority of P5s are not flocking to Texas G5s for away OOC games - even from the Big 12. 

So far, nine true OOC away games scheduled at Texas G5 campuses from three P5 conferences out of 97 G5 OOCs scheduled.  Four of those are Baylor.

Subtract Baylor from the equation, and you've got a total of five true OOC games scheduled at Texas G5 campuses.

Take the Big 12 out, and you're looking at three whole OOC away games scheduled at Texas G5 campuses.  

It is what it is, 90.  The schedules show it. 

[golfingomez]

2 hours ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

 

OPINION:  Many Big 12 schools already get exposure in the DFW market.  The Big 12's Texas and Oklahoma really are the Big 12 market.  Texas A&M also gets as much "ink" as those two in the DFW media.

If SMU can get A&M to come to Dallas and take over there stadium, why can't we get them to come here? Denton has had some of the best players in the country over the past few years. no reason for them not to come here for recruiting.

[Cr1028]

30 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

I don't know, why don't we ask the Texas St AD who somehow managed to get Texas Tech at home.

#expectmore

Must've done wonders for their program. I hear they are on the big12 short list. Oh wait, no, they are still struggling in the Sun Belt.

Quote

SAN MARCOS — Texas State put together a week-long party as it prepared to unveil a remodeled stadium and host a Big 12 Conference opponent for the first time.

When Saturday rolled around, though, Texas Tech made sure it left the home team and its fans with little to celebrate.

The Red Raiders sprinted to an early lead and never looked back, throttling the Bobcats, 58-10, with a passing attack that rarely faced resistance

 

[MeanGreenTexan]

4 minutes ago, golfingomez said:

If SMU can get A&M to come to Dallas and take over there stadium, why can't we get them to come here? Denton has had some of the best players in the country over the past few years. no reason for them not to come here for recruiting.

Because A&M already plays Arkansas @ JerryWorld every year.    They probably had the SMU game scheduled before getting to make a trip to Arlington every year.

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

Pac-12 has 41 away G5 OOCs scheduled - only five of those with Texas G5s.  Four of those five with the Arizona schools; the other a matchup of private academic powers, Standford at Rice in 2017.

Almost a quarter of the Pac-12 away G5 OOCs, ten of them, are against BYU, currently a regional independent.  Two other games are rivalry games between Colorado and Colorado State played in Denver. 

Out of this bunch, you could ask the Arizonas, because they do recruit Texas.  Like Oklahoma, there isn't a ton of in state talent in Arizona, and much of it leaves the state.  The Zona schools have always recruited Texas, so I'd hit them.

While we have ex-Tech coaches on staff, I'd trying to get Wazzu in here before they fire Mike Leach.  At least get them scheduled before they fire him.

California, 2020-2025: at San Diego State (2016), at BYU (2018), at San Jose State (2023)
Oregon, 2021-2025: at Wyoming (2017), at Hawaii (2024)
Oregon State, 2021-2025: at Colorado State (2017), Nevada (2018), Hawaii (2019), San Jose State (2020), Boise State (2023)
Stanford, 2018, 2020, 2022-23, 2025-29: at Rice (2017), Central Florida (2019), BYU (2023, 2025)
Washington, 2020-2023: at BYU (2019)
Washington State, 2020-2029: at Boise State (2016), Central Michigan (2019)
Arizona, 2019-2031: at UTEP (2017), Houston (2018), Hawaii (2019, 2025), San Diego State (2022), BYU (2026)
Arizona State, 2019, 2021-22, 2024-29: at UTSA (2016), UNLV (2020), BYU (2021), Texas State (2024), San Diego State (2028)
Colorado, 2023-2029: at Colorado State (2016 DENVER, 2018 DENVER, 2020), Air Force (2022)
UCLA, 2020, 2022-2027: at BYU (2016), Memphis (2017), Cincinnati (2019), San Diego State (2020)
USC, 2020-2025:  at BYU (2019)
Utah: 2020-2025: at San Jose State (2016), BYU (2017, 2019), San Diego State (2021)

[Aldo]

So this should bring up a couple of questions if we're playing AD for a day:

How were those 92 G5s able to schedule a Big10, Big12, or ACC school?

• So part of the answer seems to be geography is playing a key role here. Schools like Texas will never ever ever play Apogee, leaving *maybe* schools like Tech (or another regional mid-to-low level P5 school), for example.
• Who would we consider a regional mid-level P5, and how do we get them to come here?

My second question is, what is Rice, UTEP, UTSA, Texas State, SMU, Houston doing that we aren't to get a P5 in? For all but one or two, it certainly isn't winning.

• Who are they scheduling and do they went to take a trip here

I appreciate the time you took to get this data @MeanGreenMailbox, but I still am left with the question "Why not North Texas?". Everyone else (G5 in Texas) has brought in a P5. Why can't we?

Oh and one final question: how in the hell did we get KState, Baylor, Tech, Indiana (did I miss anyone) to come to Fouts and not Apogee (Indiana series already in place)? Let's go back to that strategy.

[UNT90]

58 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

I am showing the P5 open dates.  I've listed the years each P5 school has open dates.  There's no narrative to have.  It's just a list. 

I think you are disappointed that the schedules are showing that the vast majority of P5s are not flocking to Texas G5s for away OOC games - even from the Big 12. 

So far, nine true OOC away games scheduled at Texas G5 campuses from three P5 conferences out of 97 G5 OOCs scheduled.  Four of those are Baylor.

Subtract Baylor from the equation, and you've got a total of five true OOC games scheduled at Texas G5 campuses.

Take the Big 12 out, and you're looking at three whole OOC away games scheduled at Texas G5 campuses.  

It is what it is, 90.  The schedules show it. 

Right, 25 G5 away games by Big 12 members shows they aren't playing at G5s in Texas. Lol. 

Some P5s get it and get it done, UNT never has. Let's hope that changes.

And of course you want to take the Big 12 out of it because it doesn't suit your narrative. 

 

Edited August 11, 2016 by UNT90

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

Thank, Aldo.  The only one I don't understand is Texas State.  My guess is, Franchione at Texas State and Graham at ASU must have had some kind of connection from back when Graham was still a high school coach here and Franchione was the head coach at New Mexico then TCU.  

Other than that, I think what you see is school willing to go play in stadiums that either (1) host bowl games, or (2) are home to NFL teams.

UTSA plays in the Alamodome.  We can laugh at them for not having an on campus stadium.  But, the truth is, schools are considering a complete package for their team and fans.  As Texans, San Antonio may be tired and boring to us.  But, it's not to out of towners.

El Paso has the Sun Bowl.  Is it great?  No.  But, it seats more than Apogee does, which was a discussion when Apogee was being planned.  Rice and Houston are playing schools at NRG Stadium.  It think, so far, only one or two games are actually going to be played on Houston's campus.

As for Rice, they are doing a good job of getting private school with academic reputations to play them in football.  Hard to battle that. 

As to K-State, my guess is Dickey's connection to K-State helped.  I know many here hate him, but.... 

Baylor and Tech already play each other at Jerry World as noted, in addition to going to Fort Worth every other year to play TCU, so what's their draw to coming to the Metroplex for an additional game?  They already give up a true home game each year to play in Arlington.  Probably not inching financially to give up two to play us, knowing they'll already get their DFW fans at the TCU games.

As to Indiana.  Have no idea.  Call RV and ask?  :-)

6 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

Right, 25 G5 away games by Big 12 members shows they aren't playing at G5s in Texas. Lol. 

Some P5s get it and get it done, UNT never has. Let's hope that changes.

And of course you want to take the Big 12 out of it because it doesn't suit your narrative. 

 

I haven't taken the Big 12 out of it.  I showed all of their schools, all of the years each has open spots, and listed the G5s they are playing on the road.  How is it my fault that without Baylor and the TCU/SMU rivalry game, G5 away games are pretty much not a go for most Big 12 schools.

And, here's our problem now as far as the Big 12 goes - they only have three OOC games these days.  How many of them want to give up home gate money twice a season with only three possible OOC home dates to play? As the schedules show, not many.

We don't exist in a vacuum, 90.  The other schools are looking out for their best financial interests.  Big 12 schools don't have the luxury of four OOC games any longer.  Add that to the fact that they are already getting exposure to this area's recruits with their games at TCU and Baylor, and it isn't hard to see why we're a tough sell.

I don't like it any more than you do.  But, I can at least look around at the landscape and see why it's happening. 

[UNT90]

9 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

Thank, Aldo.  The only one I don't understand is Texas State.  My guess is, Franchione at Texas State and Graham at ASU must have had some kind of connection from back when Graham was still a high school coach here and Franchione was the head coach at New Mexico then TCU.  

Other than that, I think what you see is school willing to go play in stadiums that either (1) host bowl games, or (2) are home to NFL teams.

UTSA plays in the Alamodome.  We can laugh at them for not having an on campus stadium.  But, the truth is, schools are considering a complete package for their team and fans.  As Texans, San Antonio may be tired and boring to us.  But, it's not to out of towners.

El Paso has the Sun Bowl.  Is it great?  No.  But, it seats more than Apogee does, which was a discussion when Apogee was being planned.  Rice and Houston are playing schools at NRG Stadium.  It think, so far, only one or two games are actually going to be played on Houston's campus.

As for Rice, they are doing a good job of getting private school with academic reputations to play them in football.  Hard to battle that. 

As to K-State, my guess is Dickey's connection to K-State helped.  I know many here hate him, but.... 

Baylor and Tech already play each other at Jerry World as noted, in addition to going to Fort Worth every other year to play TCU, so what's their draw to coming to the Metroplex for an additional game?  They already give up a true home game each year to play in Arlington.  Probably not inching financially to give up two to play us, knowing they'll already get their DFW fans at the TCU games.

As to Indiana.  Have no idea.  Call RV and ask?  :-)

I haven't taken the Big 12 out of it.  I showed all of their schools, all of the years each has open spots, and listed the G5s they are playing on the road.  How is it my fault that without Baylor and the TCU/SMU rivalry game, G5 away games are pretty much not a go for most Big 12 schools.

And, here's our problem now as far as the Big 12 goes - they only have three OOC games these days.  How many of them want to give up home gate money twice a season with only three possible OOC home dates to play? As the schedules show, not many.

We don't exist in a vacuum, 90.  The other schools are looking out for their best financial interests.  Big 12 schools don't have the luxury of four OOC games any longer.  Add that to the fact that they are already getting exposure to this area's recruits with their games at TCU and Baylor, and it isn't hard to see why we're a tough sell.

I don't like it any more than you do.  But, I can at least look around at the landscape and see why it's happening. 

And yet Baylor played at SMU, as did Texas A&M. All these "reasons" you give aren't fact, they are simply your opinion, and you craft your opinion to support your argument, leaving out details along the way.

And when you say "leaving the Big 12 out of it," that kinda means your leaving the big 12 out of it in order to support a hypothesis that has been proven wrong year after year after year by other programs in CUSA. Almost every other program in CUSA, as a matter of fact.

You are right, we don't live in a vaccum. We keep going backward and we will find ourselves New Mexico St.ed right out of CUSA. Look around, TFLF, we aren't doing what are conference mates area doing. And yes, they notice.

[FirefightnRick]

Other G5's are getting it done.

THAT'S why we couldn't get it done.

 

Dont y'all see that? LOL.

 

Rick

[UNT90]

5 minutes ago, FirefightnRick said:

Other G5's are getting it done.

THAT'S why we couldn't get it done.

 

Dont y'all see that? LOL.

 

Rick

It's a defense of an indefensible position. 

All but one of our conference mates plays a P5 at home in the next 4 or so years. I posted all conference foe's OOC schedule on here a while back. 

But TFLF says it's just too hard, so UNT should just give up. 

Edited August 11, 2016 by UNT90

[TreeFiddy]

UTSA scheduled a couple of H/H and then they also scheduled several 2 for 1 games.  They put on a huge push to get their program off the ground and decided to give up the paycheck games in order to drive interest.  They must have used up most of the war chest because they have not scheduled any new P5 games beyond the initial flurry.

Texas St somehow got Tech to schedule a H/H.  They were opening up their new (renovated?) stadium and convinced Tech to come be the star attraction.  Good job by them.  

No excuses.  We need to schedule better.  We at least need to have a P5 every 2-3 years.  As a fan, I don't think that is being too unreasonable.

Seriously though, if the school/boosters/fans/whoever funded this thing with an extra $1M, this whole paycheck game could go away.  Come on Smatty, what's another $1M?

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

SEC has scheduled the least G5 away OOC games of all conferences, 19.  Of those 19, none are scheduled to be played on a Texas G5 campus.  One game, LSU versus Rice, will be played at NRG in 2020.

Other than that, not even Texas A&M has any Texas G5s schedule on the road.  Of course, they already play Arkansas in Arlington and own the Houston market along with Texas and LSU, so...they don't really have much of a reason to visit Texas G5s. 

The SEC school's most likely to schedule G5 OOC are Missouri with four and Vanderbilt with six - two schools with over half of the G5 away OOCs for the entire conference. 

We played at Missouri in 2021,and at Arkansas in 2018.  Not much of a reason for either to give a return game.  Missouri has G5 OOCs at Memphis and Middle Tennessee to help shore up their recruiting in the South.  Arkansas already plays an a game each year against Texas A&M in Arlington.  That series is contracted through 2020.

I've lobbied in the past to get Kentucky, as they seem willing to travel.  Any P5 willing to go to Eastern Michigan, as the Wildcats are schedule to do in 2019, should be on our list of school to ask for a home and home.  Next, I'd go after Vanderbilt.

Florida, 2017-2023: No G5 away OOC scheduled
Georgia, 2018-2027:  No G5 away OOC scheduled
Kentucky, 2017-2021: at Southern Miss (2017), at Eastern Michigan (2019)
Missouri, 2019-2020, 2022-25: at Connecticut (2017), BYU (2020), Middle Tennessee (2022), Memphis (2023)
South Carolina, 2018-2025: at East Carolina (2019, 2021)
Tennessee, 2018-2028: No G5 away OOC scheduled
Vanderbilt, 2018-2020, 2022-2029: at Western Kentucky (2016), Middle Tennessee (2017), Colorado State (2021, 2026), Northern Illinois (2022), Georgia State (2024)
Alabama, 2018-2023: No G5 away OOC scheduled
Arkansas, 2017-2023: No G5 away OOC scheduled
Auburn, 2018-2025: No G5 away OOC scheduled
LSU, 2019-2029: at Rice (2020, NRG Stadium)
Mississippi State, 2018-2025: at Massachusetts (2016), Louisiana Tech (2017)
Ole Miss, 2017-2027: at Memphis (2019), Tulane (2023)
Texas A&M, 2018-2019, 2021-2027: No G5 away OOC scheduled

24 minutes ago, TreeFiddy said:

UTSA scheduled a couple of H/H and then they also scheduled several 2 for 1 games.  They put on a huge push to get their program off the ground and decided to give up the paycheck games in order to drive interest.  They must have used up most of the war chest because they have not scheduled any new P5 games beyond the initial flurry.

Texas St somehow got Tech to schedule a H/H.  They were opening up their new (renovated?) stadium and convinced Tech to come be the star attraction.  Good job by them.  

No excuses.  We need to schedule better.  We at least need to have a P5 every 2-3 years.  As a fan, I don't think that is being too unreasonable.

Seriously though, if the school/boosters/fans/whoever funded this thing with an extra $1M, this whole paycheck game could go away.  Come on Smatty, what's another $1M?

Well, we had a Big Ten school, Indiana, in for our inaugural season at Apogee.  Was that a good job by us?

I agree with you in wanting more P5s here.  What I've done is provided a list to demonstrate that, it's easier said than done.

Most P5 schools, if they even bother to go to P5 schools, stay regional.  And, once you really dig into schedules, you see very few P5s scheduling away G5 OOCs where the stadium hosting the game hold less than 40,000.

That's not an opinion.  Just look at which G5s get most of the P5 OOC actions, and you'll find that they are either in bowl stadium or pro football stadium.

I hope our new AD can bring some in.  But, don't be overly disappointed if he can't.  What we need are wins.  And, for the foreseeable future, we have very winnable OOC schedules.  That will work in our favor.

[UNT90]

What we need is a program changing win over a P5 in a conference championship season. 

The chances of that win coming at home as opposed to on the road are much greater. 

Plan. If the AD thinks this thing will be humming in year 4 of Littrell, schedule a home and home with a P5 that year. Drop SMU if you need to make this happen.