MGB: UNT reporting day notes (status of JC additions)

Brett Vito · August 7, 2016

MGB: Several key players still waiting on grades

http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/2016/08/unt-reporting-day-notes-juco-transfer-update.html/

GrayEagle · August 7, 2016

One name not listed pro or con is D'Vonta Derricott. That's because he is coming from Eastern Kentucky, not a JC. But, he could be a crucial get, especially if William Johnson doesn't qualify. Does he still plan to report?

GrandGreen · August 7, 2016

My guess, NT will be lucky if any of these players qualify.

Just read that someone is reporting that most are here and qualified, I will be very happy to be wrong.

Edited August 7, 2016 by GrandGreen

djohnnie · August 7, 2016

That's positive thinking.

Eagleisland · August 7, 2016

Darn....sure wish Johnson would qualify.....35th ranked JC in country, regardless of position.

GMG24 · August 7, 2016

9 minutes ago, Eagleisland said:

Darn....sure wish Johnson would qualify.....35th ranked JC in country, regardless of position.

Surely his JUCO coach is working to make it happen.

TreeFiddy · August 8, 2016

Not sure about the juco a that these players are coming from but many local jucos have classes that have not finished yet.

I would guess the coaches will have a firm decision by the end of the week regarding grades.

MeanGreenTexan · August 8, 2016

16 hours ago, GMG24 said:

Surely his JUCO coach is working to make it happen.

I hope we're not just waiting around on his JUCO to get him eligible. Surely there are resources we can help with.

UNTLifer · August 8, 2016

Curious, with players like Hoston already in town, that would lead me to believe they have been finished with their JUCO coursework for some time.

UNT Mean Green · August 8, 2016

Just now, UNTLifer said:

Curious, with players like Hoston already in town, that would lead me to believe they have been finished with their JUCO coursework for some time.

Maybe it's a transcript or academic matter that is in the hands of the previous junior college and not UNT?

Harry · August 8, 2016

Need Johnson.

Army of Dad · August 8, 2016

3 minutes ago, Harry said:

Need Johnson.

Quoted for posterity.

NTAlum09 · August 8, 2016

What's the status on Bryce English? I checked his Twitter account and it sounds like he is ready to go to work.

MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF · August 8, 2016

Said earlier in the summer that if we got half qualified that would be a win for Littrell. Never understood how JUCO work is so difficult for these kids. You are already on campus, nowhere else to go or be - just do the work!

Plus, every school has a sh*t ton of tutors and tutoring programs available for athletes; those in addition to being able to go ahead and go to the professors' offices to ask for help.

Kids who flunk out or don't get qualified, they just don't try. Very vexing when they don't qualify twice - first, out of high school, then out of the JUCO. Truly missing the big pictures of there are thousands of other prep and JUCO football players doing what it take to be qualified in front of you. No one owes them anything; they need to work.

GrandGreen · August 8, 2016

54 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

Said earlier in the summer that if we got half qualified that would be a win for Littrell. Never understood how JUCO work is so difficult for these kids. You are already on campus, nowhere else to go or be - just do the work!

Plus, every school has a sh*t ton of tutors and tutoring programs available for athletes; those in addition to being able to go ahead and go to the professors' offices to ask for help.

Kids who flunk out or don't get qualified, they just don't try. Very vexing when they don't qualify twice - first, out of high school, then out of the JUCO. Truly missing the big pictures of there are thousands of other prep and JUCO football players doing what it take to be qualified in front of you. No one owes them anything; they need to work.

Just because something maybe easy for some, like JC classes, that doesn't mean it is easy for everyone. College is not for everyone, not because they are lazy or dumb; but because it just doesn't fit their skill level or background. As someone who had a daughter put in special ed in elementary, until we secured an outside evaluation. that diagnosed dyslexia and tested her IQ at a very high level. So there are a lot of undiagnosed learning disabilities such as autism that effect a relatively large segment of the population. So I would be very careful labeling any group as lazy or just not trying. It can be a lot more complicated than that.

Edited August 8, 2016 by GrandGreen

Ben Gooding · August 8, 2016

7 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:

Just because something maybe easy for some, like JC classes, that doesn't mean it is easy for everyone. College is not for everyone, not because they are lazy or dumb; but because it just doesn't fit their skill level or background. As someone who had a daughter put in special ed in elementary, until we secured an outside evaluation. that diagnosed dyslexia and tested her IQ at a very high level. So there are a lot of undiagnosed learning disabilities such as autism that effect a relatively large segment of the population. So I would be very careful labeling any group as lazy or just not trying. It can be a lot more complicated than that.

It can be more complicated than that at times. I mean athletes do have their own admission standards for a reason. However, laziness does show its head in many cases and it holds them back from progression.

MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF · August 8, 2016

10 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:

Just because something maybe easy for some, like JC classes, that doesn't mean it is easy for everyone. College is not for everyone, not because they are lazy or dumb; but because it just doesn't fit their skill level or background. As someone who had a daughter put in special ed in elementary, until we secured an outside evaluation. that diagnosed dyslexia and tested her IQ at a very high level. So there are a lot of undiagnosed learning disabilities such as autism that effect a relatively large segment of the population. So I would be very careful labeling any group as lazy or just not trying. It can be a lot more complicated than that.

Maybe once, but not twice. Not with all of the tutors and tutoring - on top of the professors helping. At some point, you have to want to do it.

GrandGreen · August 8, 2016

4 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

Maybe once, but not twice. Not with all of the tutors and tutoring - on top of the professors helping. At some point, you have to want to do it.

Did you even read my post? No, just wanting to do it, is not enough in a lot of cases.

I am not sure why you think jucos have all these resources to aid athletes. Frankly, getting a player into the next level is not their big concern. Most operate on a shoestring budget.

MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF · August 8, 2016

Just now, GrandGreen said:

Did you even read my post? No, just wanting to do it, is not enough in a lot of cases.

I am not sure why you think jucos have all these resources to aid athletes. Frankly, getting a player into the next level is not their big concern. Most operate on a shoestring budget.

Yes, I read it. And, I fully understand not qualifying out of high school if you have some sort of problem. How, in two years, no one can correct this in order to pass the most basic classes - and, the JUCO classes are achingly basic...that takes alot of not studying.

Look, I had a nephew flunk out of SFA after scoring well enough to get into better schools. The kid just got to college and decided he wanted to smoke dope and hang out with his fraternity instead of going to classes.

Some kids might have some sort of learning disability; but, many others don't. They are like my nephew: they don't see the big picture.

Second time around, there shouldn't be qualifying issues. Too many people in place to help out.

GrandGreen · August 8, 2016

34 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

Yes, I read it. And, I fully understand not qualifying out of high school if you have some sort of problem. How, in two years, no one can correct this in order to pass the most basic classes - and, the JUCO classes are achingly basic...that takes alot of not studying.

Look, I had a nephew flunk out of SFA after scoring well enough to get into better schools. The kid just got to college and decided he wanted to smoke dope and hang out with his fraternity instead of going to classes.

Some kids might have some sort of learning disability; but, many others don't. They are like my nephew: they don't see the big picture.

Second time around, there shouldn't be qualifying issues. Too many people in place to help out.

What people are available at the typical JUCO to provide all this help? Also not all jucos are as easy as you seem to think, plus adding football to the mix is not helpful to the school work.

There are two kinds of juco athletes, ones that were not good enough in high school to warrant a scholarship and those that couldn't academically qualify. Those that didn't qualify at the high school level are not going to magically get better in a community college.

Edited August 8, 2016 by GrandGreen

Cerebus · August 8, 2016

The Atlantic: The War on Stupid People

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Considering that these data don’t include dropouts, it seems safe to say that no more than one in three American high-school students is capable of hitting the College Board’s benchmark. Quibble with the details all you want, but there’s no escaping the conclusion that most Americans aren’t smart enough to do something we are told is an essential step toward succeeding in our new, brain-centric economy—namely, get through four years of college with moderately good grades.

Getting a college degree is not as easy as some people believe. About 70% of Americans don't have a college degree.

greenminer · August 8, 2016

Greendylan · August 8, 2016

53 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:

Did you even read my post? No, just wanting to do it, is not enough in a lot of cases.

I am not sure why you think jucos have all these resources to aid athletes. Frankly, getting a player into the next level is not their big concern. Most operate on a shoestring budget.

JUCOs are loaded with programs to assist students from diverse educational backgrounds. In many cases they have more resources dedicated to at-risk students than universities (though not necessarily solely designed for athletes). Having said that, there are many students at JUCOs who simply are so unprepared for college level work that no matter how hard they try, it's an uphill battle.

baberuthbomber8 · August 8, 2016

2 hours ago, NTAlum09 said:

What's the status on Bryce English? I checked his Twitter account and it sounds like he is ready to go to work.

the last that i had heard, English would must likely have to sit out this year, but he would then get an extra year added on for the hardship.. I took it to mean that NCAA now instead of given the player a year now, they do it later even if its for valid reasons... which to me seems unfair to me.

GrandGreen · August 8, 2016

51 minutes ago, Greendylan said:

JUCOs are loaded with programs to assist students from diverse educational backgrounds. In many cases they have more resources dedicated to at-risk students than universities (though not necessarily solely designed for athletes). Having said that, there are many students at JUCOs who simply are so unprepared for college level work that no matter how hard they try, it's an uphill battle.

My wife works as a professor in the major community college system in the area, so I am fairly familiar with what is offered. They do have lots of programs to aid people with diverse backgrounds, English as second language and the disadvangtaged. That is part of their mission, what they don't have is a lot of individual tutoring or monitoring. The money is just not there.

This thread has evolved far afield mostly due to my comments relative to the level of support available at the jc level. The original comments were made to counter the theory that someone that can't pass at the JUCO level is lazy and is just not trying. That is a blanket condemnation that is just not true, no matter what the level of support available.