What Should Be The New ADs First Order Of Business

greenminer · August 16, 2016

7 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

From my perspective: Once Basketball and Spring Football are done, there is NOTHING going on within our athletic department and it's a lost opportunity to bring in new fans or additional revenue from existing fans.

Are you positive baseball brings in revenue? It's not considered one of the "money sports."

UNTFan23 · August 16, 2016

7 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Are you positive baseball brings in revenue? It's not considered one of the "money sports."

I will say right now we are bringing in exactly $0 additional dollars in terms of tickets sales (and corresponding concession sales) and quite likely MGC donations right now because we don't have baseball.

Cr1028 · August 16, 2016

11 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Are you positive baseball brings in revenue? It's not considered one of the "money sports."

In the big-money world of college sports, baseball finishes last on the bottom line.

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Division I-A baseball programs reported a median loss of nearly $700,000 in 2012, the highest among men’s sports, according to the latest available NCAA report. Numbers were not available for the University of Virginia.

Football and basketball programs, the major money makers in college sports, reaped a combined median profit of $3.6 million for the average school in 2012, largely from conferences signing lucrative television deals that ensure even mediocre teams are paid handsomely. Most baseball programs depend on major sports profits to cover the gaps

MeanGreenTexan · August 16, 2016

2 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

I will say right now we are bringing in exactly $0 additional dollars in terms of tickets sales (and corresponding concession sales) and quite likely MGC donations right now because we don't have baseball.

We're also not spending $XYZ additional dollars because we don't have baseball.

Cerebus · August 16, 2016

Well we kinda sorta promised CUSA it was coming when we were invited... so sooner or later we should get around to it.

It's like when my wife keeps asking me to do some thing around the house. I keep telling her "if I said I would do it, I'm going to do it. There else no need to come around and nag me about it every six months."

greenminer · August 16, 2016

6 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

I will say right now we are bringing in exactly $0 additional dollars in terms of tickets sales (and corresponding concession sales) and quite likely MGC donations right now because we don't have baseball.

You do know there is probably lost revenue involved, right?

PS: NVM. Looks like every post since and touched on this.

UNTFan23 · August 16, 2016

Just now, MeanGreenTexan said:

We're also not spending $XYZ additional dollars because we don't have baseball.

And we're not getting our brand out in the public's mind, so there is that at the same time.

I guess it all comes down to one's perspective and personal agendas on where they want to see the athletic department go.

With my situation, I'm not going to be buying any more season tickets (2 FB; 2 MBB; 1 WBB) until I get married and have my 2.5 children. I also am topped out at MGC giving level for a number of years to come. So in order for the athletic department to get me to spend more money, the AD must add sports that I (and likely other fans as well) want to see played. Baseball is one the sport I am most interested in see being added.

Cr1028 · August 16, 2016

Just now, UNTFan23 said:

And we're not getting our brand out in the public's mind, so there is that at the same time.

I guess it all comes down to one's perspective and personal agendas on where they want to see the athletic department go.

With my situation, I'm not going to be buying any more season tickets (2 FB; 2 MBB; 1 WBB) until I get married and have my 2.5 children. I also am topped out at MGC giving level for a number of years to come. So in order for the athletic department to get me to spend more money, the AD must add sports that I (and likely other fans as well) want to see played. Baseball is one the sport I am most interested in see being added.

Nobody cares about college baseball. Rice isn't out there killing it in the athletics world because their baseball program is good. Their football and basketball teams are still only marginally better than ours.

6 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

Well we kinda sorta promised CUSA it was coming when we were invited... so sooner or later we should get around to it.

It's like when my wife keeps asking me to do some thing around the house. I keep telling her "if I said I would do it, I'm going to do it. There else no need to come around and nag me about it every six months."

Does UTEP get a pass or will they have to start up the Title IX machine too to crank out more expenses to their athletics program?

UNTFan23 · August 16, 2016

Just now, Cr1028 said:

Nobody cares about college baseball. Rice isn't out there killing it in the athletics world because their baseball program is good. Their football and basketball teams are still only marginally better than ours.

I wouldn't say nobody ... Obviously those that want baseball at North Texas seem to care at least a little.

2 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

I guess it all comes down to one's perspective and personal agendas on where they want to see the athletic department go.

Cr1028 · August 16, 2016

Maybe we can jump to the AAC instead of adding baseball. SMU and Tulsa don't have baseball.

2 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

I wouldn't say nobody ... Obviously those that want baseball at North Texas seem to care at least a little.

Until it is in place and then the complaining starts that the AD can't get people to show up to watch baseball.

greenminer · August 16, 2016

Look at it this way: maybe, if we want to look good applying for a new conference, we should honor our word with CUSA.

MeanGreenTexan · August 16, 2016

12 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

And we're not getting our brand out in the public's mind, so there is that at the same time.

I guess it all comes down to one's perspective and personal agendas on where they want to see the athletic department go.

With my situation, I'm not going to be buying any more season tickets (2 FB; 2 MBB; 1 WBB) until I get married and have my 2.5 children. I also am topped out at MGC giving level for a number of years to come. So in order for the athletic department to get me to spend more money, the AD must add sports that I (and likely other fans as well) want to see played. Baseball is one the sport I am most interested in see being added.

I'm there with you. I'm on the record as saying I'll buy season tickets when it gets going. But there is not going to be a way baseball makes UNT any money unless we happen to become a Rice-like threat every year. Even then, I doubt we'll be bringing in much profit, if any.

UNT90 · August 16, 2016

5 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Look at it this way: maybe, if we want to look good applying for a new conference, we should honor our word with CUSA.

Our word or RV's word? Because we know everyone knows his word doesn't mean anything

I'm serious here. Would this have been a promise made by the university or the AD?

Cerebus · August 16, 2016

48 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

I'm serious here. Would this have been a promise made by the university or the AD?

AD's don't have much to do with moving conferences, this is a presidential level move.

UNT90 · August 16, 2016

3 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

AD's don't have much to do with moving conferences, this is a presidential level move.

But it was negotiated under Rawlins. I wonder if he just repeated the BS RV fed him.

Cerebus · August 16, 2016

1 minute ago, UNT90 said:

But it was negotiated under Rawlins. I wonder if he just repeated the BS RV fed him.

Look... Sorry, but RV wasn't the devil. Getting rid of him isn't some sort of magic bullet. There was long term systematic problems well before RV got here, so stop hanging your hopes on everything being better just because our sins were written upon RV and then he was driven out into the desert. It doesn't work that way.

Us getting baseball is something Rawlins hung around our neck (and IMHO a good idea), so now the school can decide to honor it or not. But it will effect our image, not anyone else.

UNT90 · August 16, 2016

1 minute ago, Cerebus said:

Look... Sorry, but RV wasn't the devil. Getting rid of him isn't some sort of magic bullet. There was long term systematic problems well before RV got here, so stop hanging your hopes on everything being better just because our sins were written upon RV and then he was driven out into the desert. It doesn't work that way.

Us getting baseball is something Rawlins hung around our neck (and IMHO a good idea), so now the school can decide to honor it or not. But it will effect our image, not anyone else.

Actually, he spoke with forked tongue on multiple occassions, so...

I don't think it's unreasonable to wonder if RV over promised to Rawlins.

I mean, he never did that, did he?

Edited August 16, 2016 by UNT90

Cerebus · August 16, 2016

3 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

Actually, he spoke with forked tongue on multiple occassions, so...

I don't think it's unreasonable to wonder if RV over promised to Rawlins.

I mean, he never did that, did he?

Doesn't matter if he did. Rawlins as the president of the university made the decision.

Cr1028 · August 16, 2016

So with baseball we'd just add another $1 million deficit to the AD budget? In the name of "getting our brand out there"? If FBS football and making the NCAA tourney doesn't get your name out there, being a middle of the road CUSA baseball team certainly isn't.

Edited August 16, 2016 by Cr1028

Cerebus · August 16, 2016

7 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

So with baseball we'd just add another $1 million deficit to the AD budget? In the name of "getting our brand out there"? If FBS football and making the NCAA tourney doesn't get your name out there, being a middle of the road CUSA baseball team certainly isn't.

Seems like you should have been making this argument to V. Lane.

Zeleny' Orel · August 16, 2016

6 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

1. Order a #3 from NY Sub.

2. Clean out any remnants of past department failures.

3. Let Cinnamon and Reggie know their jobs are safe.

4. Contact Al Goldfield and repair that relationship.

5. Contact Denny Kalk and repair that relationship.

6. Reach out to all expired Club Seat/Suite owners.

7. Market, market, market

8. Put Benford and Kee on notice.

9. Finish out Center Court at the Warranch Tennis Center.

10. Baseball program

11. Indoor practice facility

12. Reach out to the AAC, MWC and Big XII and inform them that there is a new sheriff in town and will be improving greatly over the next few years and we will be ready to move.

13. Bring back old Scrappy and send Eugene Levy Eagle to band camp.

14. Re-institute the Jr. Mean Green Club line up after the half.

15. To go Chili Burger from Denton County Hamburger,

DAY Two

I believe there has been a change in plans. Rather than a center tennis court at Warranch, plans now include indoor tennis courts instead. When weather doesn't allow outdoor play (i.e. rain), the team has had to play their competitive matches at Las Colinas Country Club in Irving, Brookhaven Country Club in Dallas, or even at SMU's courts. These have to be scheduled at times courts are not reserved for country club members (or SMU team activities) and often the needed 6 courts are not all available at the same time.

This is really a poor situation and one not faced by most other universities. This is also a problem for visiting teams in terms of their travel schedules. It would also be nice to have them for practice in bad weather. Plus most other universities have scoreboards...we don't. It is really remarkable that we compete as well as we do with facilities that don't match most of our opponents!

Cr1028 · August 16, 2016

2 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

Seems like you should have been making this argument to V. Lane.

Yes. Sometimes I go into a hole and don't realize what has happened until it is too late. Oh well. Wren will fix it.....I hope. Maybe he will make us the 2nd public FBS institution in Texas to make baseball profitable behind only the Longhorns.

Cerebus · August 16, 2016

5 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Maybe he will make us the 2nd public FBS institution in Texas to make baseball profitable behind only the Longhorns.

There are only ~23 schools in the nation that can even make football profitable, college sports is not really a profit leader. You have to factor in the soft benefits or almost no one should do it.

Army of Dad · August 17, 2016

4 hours ago, greenminer said:

Are you positive baseball brings in revenue? It's not considered one of the "money sports."

WBB shouldn't really be counted either...

MeanGreenTexan · August 17, 2016

15 hours ago, Cerebus said:

There are only ~23 schools in the nation that can even make football profitable, college sports is not really a profit leader. You have to factor in the soft benefits or almost no one should do it.

Right.
When you're talking about UNT adding baseball, you're really asking the UNT BOR to add more funding to the athletic department. Now, that appears to be something Smatresk is willing to ask for, but up until recently, did not seem like something the BOR cared to do. With Brint chairing the Board now, this seems more feasible. It could just be a perfect storm brewing. Fingers crossed.

15 hours ago, Zeleny' Orel said:

I believe there has been a change in plans. Rather than a center tennis court at Warranch, plans now include indoor tennis courts instead. When weather doesn't allow outdoor play (i.e. rain), the team has had to play their competitive matches at Las Colinas Country Club in Irving, Brookhaven Country Club in Dallas, or even at SMU's courts. These have to be scheduled at times courts are not reserved for country club members (or SMU team activities) and often the needed 6 courts are not all available at the same time.

This is really a poor situation and one not faced by most other universities. This is also a problem for visiting teams in terms of their travel schedules. It would also be nice to have them for practice in bad weather. Plus most other universities have scoreboards...we don't. It is really remarkable that we compete as well as we do with facilities that don't match most of our opponents!

The center court is just a grass field right now. Why not plan to make the center court an indoor venue?