MGB: UNT picks up JC quarterback

UNT 90 Grad · June 5, 2016

8 hours ago, Ben Gooding said:

This is Vito solidifying his own personal opinion. It's unbearable when writers do stuff like this and Vito has a knack of doing it pretty often.

8 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

It's poor journalism.

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UNT Mean Green · June 5, 2016

6 hours ago, cdizzle86 said:

I will get a zillion negatives for this, but what's with the Shanbour obsession? I'm sure he's a great kid, but he hasn't proven that he could be considered as a starter. Therefore if he is our second string QB, then Vito is right in saying we don't have much after Morris. Sorry but the truth hurts.

Don't see the negative here. The reality is that, no matter how you cut it, Morris and Shanbour are unproven commodities, and the guys below them on the depth chart cannot cut the mustard. There's no doubt that we need to upgrade the QB position talent, and that's why O'Hara is a smart late pickup. As we know, the full court press on Ryan Finley from Boise couldn't overcome his ties to his old offensive coordinator and P5 environment in Raleigh, and we had to have another capable QB addition heading into fall camp. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't get another late one as well.

emmitt01 · June 5, 2016

4 hours ago, Silent Eagle said:

I can tell you what I know from an Alabama obsessed dude I work with, Morris has the goods. The only knock on him was his arm strength according to the Tide lover. Apparently he was leading the competition for the starting spot as of 20150824 (http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/report-alec-morris-now-leading-alabama-quarterback-competition/)

He said he makes good decisions and is used to playing against one of the best defenses on pretty much a daily basis as the scout team quarterback. He believes that Morris could be an all C-USA quarterback. This is from a dude who lives and dies off of Alabama football.

Leading the Alabama QB competition at one point is all well and good...but has your co-worker watched our Spring game?

MeanGreenHoops · June 5, 2016

Gotta give credit to @Harry for mentioning on his pod he thought for sure we'd pick up another QB before the fall. It seemed unlikely but he was right.

UNT90 · June 5, 2016

14 hours ago, emmitt01 said:

The JUCO heavy focus tells me one thing. Littrell came in, took at look at this roster, and saw that McCarney had given up in recruiting a while ago

That was obvious when Mac's recruiting coordinator said in September we were just going to wait and see what was left a couple weeks before national signing day before actively recruitjng.

Mac should have been fired right after that announcement.

UNT90 · June 5, 2016

2 hours ago, UNT 90 Grad said:

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Well, then he should just say it and not be all passive agressive about it.

Everyone needs to realize this is a depth add. It's a way late JUCO signing that didn't have a lot of other options. That's something Vito should keep in mind when forming opinions.

8 hours ago, foutsrouts said:

So what QB has truly proven that he should be our starter? A guy who threw a pass at Alabama? Believe me, I'm not a Shanbour "obsessionist" in any way, but I'm thinking that absolutely no one on this roster has proven that they should automatically be considered an FBS starter. For the most part, it kind of looks like we're going on high school film and accolades at this point. At least for those of us on the outside who are looking at it from the armchair perspective.

So much this. But not just us outsiders, coaches as well.

Coaches coddle QBs in practices and scrimmages so much that one has any idea how they will perform after getting lit up by a DE or DT.

Not one single person knows whether Morris or Shanbour has the goods, and won't until about the 3rd quarter of the SMU game (for Morris).

Vito's opinions are cute, but they are as worthless as teets on a bore hog, just like everyone else's.

09/03/16

UNT90 · June 5, 2016

Observations from the film:

The good:

Always checks down to at least a secondary receiver before tucking and running with the ball.

Will move in the pocket and then actually throw the ball to a secondary receiver.

Moves well in the pocket.

Throws a very catchable ball

Appears to be good at improvising (we are only seeing the good plays, though). Appears to be a smart QB.

The bad:

Wind up, 3/4 arm delivery that lacks a lot of zip. Probably the reason he is still on the market.

Passes over 20 yards seem to float. They always hit their target in the video, but he will be playing at a much higher level and DBs will close much quicker. That float could be the difference between a reception and an interception. Just no zip on the long balls.

Not a true dual threat. Not fast enough. But can scramble to get out of trouble.

Question:

What level is the JUCO?

Marty · June 5, 2016

1 hour ago, UNT90 said:

That was obvious when Mac's recruiting coordinator said in September we were just going to wait and see what was left a couple weeks before national signing day before actively recruitjng.

Mac should have been fired right after that announcement.

Mac and Mike Grant should have been escorted to the door right after thst statement.

UNTexas · June 5, 2016

13 hours ago, SilverEagle said:

Shanbour is also a person that has absolutely worked his ass off to get where he is. At the end of spring he was officially listed as the second team QB. Seems to me that he at least deserves to have his name mentioned instead of this........

"The Mean Green have Alabama transfer Alec Morris ready to go this fall, but don’t have much behind him at all."

I hate to break it to you but this isn't rec sports where everyone gets a turn. A lot of walk ons bust their asses and don't deserve to be on the field. Same goes for scholarship guys who just don't adapt to a higher level. We don't need gym class heroes. UNT needs to get better and if it means running off bad football players, so be it.

This team also lacked heart last season. There are guys who have talent who don't deserve to be here. Matt Simon ran off 22 scholarship players during his first fall camp and guess what happened, he won the conference his first year. This team needs a gut check and clear out some lockers.

"Deserve" has nothing to do with D1 football. "Deserve" is something losers hope for. This is exactly why we need a culture change at UNT. The "deserve" mentality is some Chico vs UTEP bs where you lose so everyone plays.

Edited June 5, 2016 by UNTexas

GMG24 · June 5, 2016

4 minutes ago, UNTexas said:

I hate to break it to you but this isn't rec sports where everyone gets a turn. A lot of walk ons bust their asses and don't deserve to be on the field. Same goes for scholarship guys who just don't adapt to a higher level. We don't need gym class heroes. UNT needs to get better and if it means running off bad football players, so be it.

This team also lacked heart last season. There are guys who have talent who don't deserve to be here. Matt Simon ran off 22 scholarship players during his first fall camp and guess what happened, he won the conference his first year. This team needs a gut check and clear out some lockers.

"Deserve" has nothing to do with D1 football. "Deserve" is something losers hope for. This is exactly why we need a culture change at UNT. The "deserve" mentality is some Chico vs UTEP bullshit where you lose so everyone plays crap.

I don't think he's saying he deserves PT, but to not even mention him by name in an article when talking lack of depth and he's the No. 2 guy is a bit of a slap in the kids face. I don't disagree there are a lot of changes needing to be made here.

Got5onIt · June 5, 2016

Shanbour damn near winning the starting job just shows the lack of talent at the QB position. Not a knock on the young man, just the cold hard truth. Means shouldn't even be playing at the FBS level and Chumley should be playing another position. Morris was a 4th stringer at Alabama and was pretty much handed the job here. Fine will need a minimum of 2 years to develop. Let's pray Littrell can pick up one more JuCo QB....

SilverEagle · June 5, 2016

34 minutes ago, GMG24 said:

I don't think he's saying he deserves PT, but to not even mention him by name in an article when talking lack of depth and he's the No. 2 guy is a bit of a slap in the kids face. I don't disagree there are a lot of changes needing to be made here.

FINALLY! Someone gets the point!

45 minutes ago, UNTexas said:

I hate to break it to you but this isn't rec sports where everyone gets a turn. A lot of walk ons bust their asses and don't deserve to be on the field. Same goes for scholarship guys who just don't adapt to a higher level. We don't need gym class heroes. UNT needs to get better and if it means running off bad football players, so be it.

This team also lacked heart last season. There are guys who have talent who don't deserve to be here. Matt Simon ran off 22 scholarship players during his first fall camp and guess what happened, he won the conference his first year. This team needs a gut check and clear out some lockers.

"Deserve" has nothing to do with D1 football. "Deserve" is something losers hope for. This is exactly why we need a culture change at UNT. The "deserve" mentality is some Chico vs UTEP bs where you lose so everyone plays.

Alright, then since this young man has worked his ass off, maybe you would like the word "earned" rather than deserved.

And DO NOT presume to EVER lecture me on the way of the world, or the unfairness of life.

UNT90 · June 5, 2016

5 minutes ago, SilverEagle said:

FINALLY! Someone gets the point!

Just Vito passively/aggressively doubling down and praying he was right.

It would be funny if Shanbour won the job and was 2nd team all conference.

SilverEagle · June 5, 2016

2 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

Just Vito passively/aggressively doubling down and praying he was right.

It would be funny if Shanbour won the job and was 2nd team all conference.

Well, Karma has been pretty good to me so far this year. So, who knows?

BillySee58 · June 5, 2016

11 hours ago, foutsrouts said:

Yeah, but that "walkon" label can be a fine line, since Shanbour had a Colorado offer before their coach left, and O'Hara very well could have ended up an FBS walkon himself had we not picked him up. I'm pretty much a Morris guy as starter at this point, but I still feel like Shanbour has shown enough to deserve some respect. Regardless, I'm glad we picked up O'Hara.

Again, there's a difference between giving Shanbour some respect and giving the undisputed backup spot and inside track at next year's starter role to a walkon who has never stepped foot in a D1 game.

TreeFiddy · June 5, 2016

Shabbour has shown enough in practice/scrimmages that he probably should have been playing in front of those 3 knuckleheads last year. If this new QB is able to beat him out I see that as a positive not a negative.

We needed a major upgrade at QB. So far it seems like we have upgraded, but not clear how much.

The coaches have now added new juco players to every position group. I think it is safe to say they felt like there were glaring problems at every position.

UNT90 · June 5, 2016

5 minutes ago, SilverEagle said:

FINALLY! Someone gets the point!

Just Vito passively/aggressively doubling down and praying he was right.

It would be funny if Shanbour won the job and was 2nd team all conference.

djohnnie · June 5, 2016

It doesn't appear they threw the ball a whole bunch, but he was pretty effective. These are 2016 stats.

http://www.njcaa.org/sports/fball/2015-16/players/devinoharapp36

Edited June 5, 2016 by djohnnie

cdizzle86 · June 5, 2016

2 hours ago, Got5onIt said:

Shanbour damn near winning the starting job just shows the lack of talent at the QB position. Not a knock on the young man, just the cold hard truth. Means shouldn't even be playing at the FBS level and Chumley should be playing another position. Morris was a 4th stringer at Alabama and was pretty much handed the job here. Fine will need a minimum of 2 years to develop. Let's pray Littrell can pick up one more JuCo QB....

Shanbour damn near winning the starting job?! Sorry man, but anything you heard to make you think that was just coach speak and to keep the players playing hard during spring camp. I think we can all agree that our depth at QB is very weak, but Shanbour is not an FBS QB. Why do you think we added O'Hara?

UNTexas · June 5, 2016

1 hour ago, SilverEagle said:

FINALLY! Someone gets the point!

Alright, then since this young man has worked his ass off, maybe you would like the word "earned" rather than deserved.

And DO NOT presume to EVER lecture me on the way of the world, or the unfairness of life.

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Wag Tag · June 5, 2016

11 minutes ago, UNTexas said:

Competition, competition, competition! That's what is is all about. I agree with 90's assessment of the new guy. I would add his motion looks low but at 6'5" who cares. Nice to see who is the best, instead who sucks the least! Again just give us above average C-USA qb play and we will win some games!

baberuthbomber8 · June 5, 2016

This maybe off topic, But with us viewing Means and Chumley as non-factors at QB.. What would be the chances the staff just cuts ties with them, after the season and release them from their scholarships?

I know this woulld most likely be viewed negatively with some high school programs and players possibly.. but it would open up 2 scholarships.... or do I have something completely wrong here?

TreeFiddy · June 5, 2016

2 hours ago, djohnnie said:

It doesn't appear they threw the ball a whole bunch, but he was pretty effective. These are 2016 stats.

http://www.njcaa.org/sports/fball/2015-16/players/devinoharapp36

Don't like to see that his offense struggled against the only two teams I recognize on that list. But at least one of the defenses was the one that we brought in 4 players from so maybe their is a silver lining.

ChristopherRyanWilkes · June 5, 2016

15 hours ago, cdizzle86 said:

I will get a zillion negatives for this, but what's with the Shanbour obsession? I'm sure he's a great kid, but he hasn't proven that he could be considered as a starter. Therefore if he is our second string QB, then Vito is right in saying we don't have much after Morris. Sorry but the truth hurts.

This doesn't just happen here, but many on the board tend to overrate back-up Quarterbacks. See: Dajon Williams, Brock Berglund, DaMarcus Smith, etc.

NeonGreen · June 5, 2016

17 hours ago, bstnsportsfan3 said:

I dont see this as a negative against Shanbour or Fine, but i do see it as a negative towards chumley or means. It just shows they wont mean (no pun intended) much at the QB position and that we needed some depth and competition at the QB spot.

Spot on. Correct me if I am wrong, but I read in a previous Vito that Shanbour was a "former" walk-on which he may now be on Scholarship?? But I dont know because when it comes to anything positive about Shanbour, one has to read between the lines with Vito's writing. If this is the case, obviously this current coaching staff has given the thumbs up to Shanbour. Even if he is not on scholarship now, they have mentioned that they were impressed with him. As a result, I see this coaching staff as using Morris, Shanbour and O'Hara as its QBs with Fine being redshirted for the future. Sounds like other than Shanbour, the QBs on the roster last year have not impressed Littrell and company. But of course, Vito will never give Shanbour credit and jumps all over another as a great move by the staff. Amazing.

Edited June 5, 2016 by NeonGreen