Scheduling Question

FirefightnRick · June 5, 2016

For me the best part of the Georgia game was it showed us what we had on defense. And from that it gave me a good vibe about our chances in conference.

Rick

GrandGreen · June 6, 2016

5 hours ago, UNT90 said:

And yet Arkansas St brings in Mizzou. SMU brings in Baylor and Texas A&M. And any other number of examples of G5s getting done what you think is impossible.

The truth is UNT was way too lazy for over a decade to make this happen, even after promising fans who made investments in the program that these types often would be scheduled. This isn't impossible, it was only impossible while the hustler was hustling.

I'm hopeful UNT finally employs a real FBS AD that can somehow fix the disaster of a schedule left by the former terrible AD.

#expectmore

Do you ever read what you are responding to? I actually stated that P5's play OC away, but not often and financial factors make this very hard to accomplish without substantial losses in revenue. Look at your previous posts were you posted all those great statistics of P5's playing at G5's. No doubt it happens, and RV even stated it wasn't hard to do if you could manage the financial impact. My guess what ever NT did to offset the lost of funds or if NT played 2 power teams in a year, you would be the first to complain.

UNT90 · June 6, 2016

9 hours ago, GrandGreen said:

Do you ever read what you are responding to? I actually stated that P5's play OC away, but not often and financial factors make this very hard to accomplish without substantial losses in revenue. Look at your previous posts were you posted all those great statistics of P5's playing at G5's. No doubt it happens, and RV even stated it wasn't hard to do if you could manage the financial impact. My guess what ever NT did to offset the lost of funds or if NT played 2 power teams in a year, you would be the first to complain.

UNT did play 2 P5s in one year.,. both on the road... just last year.

"It's hard" is a bullshit excuse that has been drubbed into your consciousness by one Rick Villarreal. It's the longtime excuse UNT has used for every type of failure. You can either choose to have the same BS low expectations which really equate to an FCS school or you can demand better.

#expectmore

Edited June 6, 2016 by UNT90

UNT90 · June 6, 2016

Just to avoid the BS "we can't expect to compete with the AAC in scheduling" type excuses, I'll keep this post strictly to CUSA. You know, the conference in which UNT currently plays:

Future home games:

UTEP - Arizona, Texas Tech, plus they have 7 home games this year

UTSA- Arozona St, Baylor

Rice - Baylor, Stanford, Wake Forest, Texas (at NRG)

La. Tech - Miss St, Baylor

S Miss - Kentucky, BYU, and lots more open dates than anyone else, both home and away (read: flexibility)

MTSU - Duke and Mizzoi

WKU - Vanderbuilt, Indiana

Marshall - Louisville, NC St., Pitt

UNCC - Duke, Maryland, UNC (all one and ones)

ODU - North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forrest. (I expect ODU to win conference and move to a better conference before UNT. That school understand commitment to athletics).

FIU - Indiana and Maryland both in 2016, Miami. Also tons of future open dates both home and away.

FAU - No P5s scheduled.

UAB - still under construction

So, to recap ALL BUT ONE CONFERENCE FOE HAS MULTIPLE P5 HOME GAME SCHEDULED.

Some people make excuses, others just get it done. UNT has made excuses for far far far too long.

Edited June 6, 2016 by UNT90

UNTFan23 · June 6, 2016

UTSA has gotten Arizona, Oklahoma State, and Baylor at home because they agreed to 2-for-1 deals.

The easiest way to get P5 to play in Denton will be the 2-for-1 route. These agreements easily benefit the P5 school and not so much for a school like UNT. NT will get enough to cover travel expenses and that's about it. NT would pay the same for the opposing team to come to Apogee. Where NT would make money (if any) is through the gate so fans have to buy tickets and show up. The danger I see with 2-for-1 games is the possibility for a 5-game homestead from time to time.

I guess NT could get a 1-for-1 agreement if we moved our home game to the Death Star where both schools split the gate. That way both schools end up with a financial windfall for playing a game in DFW.

UNT90 · June 6, 2016

10 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

UTSA has gotten Arizona, Oklahoma State, and Baylor at home because they agreed to 2-for-1 deals.

The easiest way to get P5 to play in Denton will be the 2-for-1 route. These agreements easily benefit the P5 school and not so much for a school like UNT. NT will get enough to cover travel expenses and that's about it. NT would pay the same for the opposing team to come to Apogee. Where NT would make money (if any) is through the gate so fans have to buy tickets and show up. The danger I see with 2-for-1 games is the possibility for a 5-game homestead from time to time.

I guess NT could get a 1-for-1 agreement if we moved our home game to the Death Star where both schools split the gate. That way both schools end up with a financial windfall for playing a game in DFW.

1990s guy again. UNCC got all one and ones, and got them very recently.

You RV holdovers have got to stop selling yesterday's tired regime. It could be a brand new day where a lot of things that were previously deemed "impossible" by the hustler suddenly become very doable.

The negativity of some on here is really pretty mind boggling. Yo would think we were McNeese St or something. Even though the AD has been ran like we are the past 7 years, we aren't. There are MANY possibilities that were never explored because a lazy AD was lazy, from scheduling to marketing to FUNDRAISING.

Get off the old train. It's left town (hopefully).

Just for 23, when I have time I'll go back through and edit the above post to denote one and one series. I'm pretty sure it's well over 50% of them.

Edited June 6, 2016 by UNT90

UNTFan23 · June 6, 2016

Just now, UNT90 said:

1990s guy again. UNCC got all one and ones, and got them very recently.

You RV holdovers have got to stop selling yesterday's tired regime. It could be a brand new day where a lot of things that were previously deemed "impossible" by the hustler suddenly become very doable.

The negativity of some on here is really pretty mind boggling. Yo would think we were McNeese St or something. Even though the AD has been ran like we are the past 7 years, we aren't. There are MANY possibilities that were never explored because a lazy AD was lazy, from scheduling to marketing to FUNDRAISING.

Get off the old train. It's left town.

I'm being a realist, dude. When I see two stadiums capable of holding twice what Apogee holds, why should a P5 school agree to a game where their fans are limited to 2,000 tickets? Yeah, they could easily walk-up and buy tickets and sit wherever they want because our fans suck at buying season tickets but it's still not a sure thing. It's also possible the game will not be covered by TV because the CUSA TV deal is not very good, so the other team would have to rely on their conference to cover the game (as was the case with Indiana).

Also, moving games out of Denton was never an RV thing. That was two eras ago. I saw where @Harry said we should get Texas Tech on the schedule except for the fact Texas Tech never played a game in the 90s in Denton, the games were always in Irving.

Also, seeing you point out the negatively of others is downright comical.

UNT90 · June 6, 2016

9 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

I'm being a realist, dude. When I see two stadiums capable of holding twice what Apogee holds, why should a P5 school agree to a game where their fans are limited to 2,000 tickets? Yeah, they could easily walk-up and buy tickets and sit wherever they want because our fans suck at buying season tickets but it's still not a sure thing. It's also possible the game will not be covered by TV because the CUSA TV deal is not very good, so the other team would have to rely on their conference to cover the game (as was the case with Indiana).

Also, moving games out of Denton was never an RV thing. That was two eras ago. I saw where @Harry said we should get Texas Tech on the schedule except for the fact Texas Tech never played a game in the 90s in Denton, the games were always in Irving.

Also, seeing you point out the negatively of others is downright comical.

Ask Baylor and A&M why they played at SMU's stadium that is the same size.

Ask any TCU opponent why they play at Amon Carter when Jerryworld is twice the size.

Ask UH P5 home opponents why they play at UH stadium instead of NRG.

Your arguments are old, tired, and not based in current FBS reality. They basically echo Rick Villarreal.

UNTFan23 · June 6, 2016

16 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

Ask Baylor and A&M why they played at SMU's stadium that is the same size.

Ask any TCU opponent why they play at Amon Carter when Jerryworld is twice the size.

Ask UH P5 home opponents why they play at UH stadium instead of NRG.

Your arguments are old, tired, and not based in current FBS reality. They basically echo Rick Villarreal.

Baylor and aTm like playing in Ford field because they are pretty certain SMU is only gonna put (at best) 15k in their own home stadium thus leaving 10-12k seats available for the visiting fans. My brother went to the Baylor/SMU game a couple years ago, there was a huge Baylor contingent there and it might have been one-for-one in terms of Baylor/SMU fans. That's pretty sad for SMU when they are almost outnumbered for their own home games.

TCU is in a completely different situation than what we are in. With the Big 12 money they are now getting they don't really care who they get for home games because it's all gravy in the end.

I can't really speak to Houston as I don't follow their program ... at all. Other than the times we've played them and they get mentioned on GMG I don't have a clue what's going on down in Houston. #SorryNotSorry

I just don't expect everything to be all rainbows and unicorn farts once the new athletics director is named. I just don't. We're at the bottom of the G5 world and it's going to take a ton of work and more than a year (or two) to pull all the languishing programs up out of the deep dark pits they are in right now. I hope people have patience because while change is coming, I hope people don't have specific timelines in mind for certain things to take place because I doubt we get the change some are wanting as soon as those people think it will happen.

beatings-will-continue-until-morale-impr

Edited June 6, 2016 by UNTFan23

UNT90 · June 6, 2016

40 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

Baylor and aTm like playing in Ford field because they are pretty certain SMU is only gonna put (at best) 15k in their own home stadium thus leaving 10-12k seats available for the visiting fans. My brother went to the Baylor/SMU game a couple years ago, there was a huge Baylor contingent there and it might have been one-for-one in terms of Baylor/SMU fans. That's pretty sad for SMU when they are almost outnumbered for their own home games.

TCU is in a completely different situation than what we are in. With the Big 12 money they are now getting they don't really care who they get for home games because it's all gravy in the end.

I can't really speak to Houston as I don't follow their program ... at all. Other than the times we've played them and they get mentioned on GMG I don't have a clue what's going on down in Houston. #SorryNotSorry

I just don't expect everything to be all rainbows and unicorn farts once the new athletics director is named. I just don't. We're at the bottom of the G5 world and it's going to take a ton of work and more than a year (or two) to pull all the languishing programs up out of the deep dark pits they are in right now. I hope people have patience because while change is coming, I hope people don't have specific timelines in mind for certain things to take place because I doubt we get the change some are wanting as soon as those people think it will happen.

Excuses excuses excuses. It's the UNT way. Maybe we should just go back to FCS and be done with it, eh? You have a BS excuse for every point that proves you wrong. It's the RV way, after all.

This fan base has been taught for years to expect nothing. Some of you continue to believe the manipulative bullshit you have been spoon fed by the hustler. It isn't true. It's hopefully a new day. Open your eyes, there is a whole new world out there.

GrandGreen · June 6, 2016

5 hours ago, UNT90 said:

UNT did play 2 P5s in one year.,. both on the road... just last year.

Geez, I didn't realize that; you personally must have had hundreds of posts on that one subject. Kind of proves my point, don't you think?

"It's hard" is a bullshit excuse that has been drubbed into your consciousness by one Rick Villarreal. It's the longtime excuse UNT has used for every type of failure. You can either choose to have the same BS low expectations which really equate to an FCS school or you can demand better.

Yes, I have always held RV's in such high esteem that I am blind to rational thought. RV is gone, I and others I am sure would have hoped that vendetta against him would be over.

You have as usual, completely ignored the financial aspects of scheduling which was my posts entire point. Also the fact that NT has scheduled their two one-one series games through 2023, their away guarantee games and their buy home games against a lower division through 2021. In your world, I assume that those contracts can magically disappear.

Ignoring the current contracts, NT is losing millions on football and I highly doubt they want to add to that by ditching the away guarantee game. I would actually prefer having another one-one series and ditching the buy game, that would mean having 5 game home schedule ever other year; and there is a lot of opposition to that.

As it is, NT has no P5 scheduled at home and is not likely to anytime soon. Home and away games are scheduled through 2021 with Army and SMU and in 2022 Army is replaced by Memphis for the next two years. I guess it is due to my entrenched low expectations but those are all good series.

UNT90 · June 6, 2016

7 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:

You have as usual, completely ignored the financial aspects of scheduling which was my posts entire point. Also the fact that NT has scheduled their two one-one series games through 2023, their away guarantee games and their buy home games against a lower division through 2021. In your world, I assume that those contracts can magically disappear.

Ignoring the current contracts, NT is losing millions on football and I highly doubt they want to add to that by ditching the away guarantee game. I would actually prefer having another one-one series and ditching the buy game, that would mean having 5 game home schedule ever other year; and there is a lot of opposition to that.

As it is, NT has no P5 scheduled at home and is not likely to anytime soon. Home and away games are scheduled through 2021 with Army and SMU and in 2022 Army is replaced by Memphis for the next two years. I guess it is due to my entrenched low expectations but those are all good series.

Yes, it is due to your entrenched low expectations. It's kinda not even your fault. I am hopeful that somehow, someway the new AD can get out of some of these terrible series that Rick Villarreal has saddled upon UNT. I also think SMU will exercise the buyout available to them in year four of the current series. We should know soon enough.

Again, it's a new day. Broaden your range of thought. Maybe an effective AD can raise the funds to get out of these contracts. Maybe other schools can be convinced to want out. Maybe te payday to make some FCS crap home games disappear is doable.

Stop thinking this is Rick Villarreal's AD. It isn't anymore (unless a cronie is given the AD job).

Expect more. It's a new day.

I don't have a vendetta against RV, but I will confront Rick Villarreal thinking at every turn. It's what made us the joke of the FBS college football world. Shake it off.

VideoEagle · June 6, 2016

There is more than one way to raise money for an athletic program. If we increase attendance at games and MGC membership, we won't be nearly as dependent on money games. Even a FEW 2 for 1 games with P5s can be managed as long as 1. You don't do more than one running at a times and 2. You sell seats for the 1 home game.

Charlotte has show it can be possible to get P5 1 and 1s. They have three series in a row starting in 2020 and going for six years through 2025. They have a P5 coming to their place in 2021, 2022 and 2025. But they have a lot of 1 and 0 plus a 2 and 0 mixed in between now and 2020. This points are that it can be done, but it isn't easy nor quick and comes with a potential cost.

The whole key if filling up the stadium and increasing donations. TCU found you can't fill a stadium by hoping people will come to watch whom you happen to be playing - you MUST get people to be willing to come see NT and not be concerned about who the opponent happens to be that week. When people are enjoying the games, they give more.

Edited June 7, 2016 by VideoEagle

UNT90 · June 6, 2016

5 minutes ago, VideoEagle said:

There is more than one way to raise money for an athletic program. If we increase attendance at games and MGC membership, we won't be nearly as dependent on money games. Even a FEW 2 for 1 games with P5s can be managed as long as 1. You don't do more than one running at a times and 2. You sell seats for the 1 home game.

Charlotte has show it can be possible to get P5 1 and 1s. They have three series in a row starting in 2020 and going for six years through 2025. They have a P5 coming to their place in 2021, 2022 and 2025. But they have a lot of 1 and 0 plus a 2 and 0 mixed in between now and 2020. This points are that it can be done, but it isn't easy nor quick and comes with a potential cost.

The whole key if filling up the stadium and increasing donations. TCU found you can't fill a stadium by hoping people will come to watch whom you happen to be playing - you MUST be people will to come see NT and not be concerned about who the opponent happens to be that week. When people are enjoying the games, they give more.

Progress.

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