Big 12 Expansion/Network Not Happening, Per Source

TreeFiddy · June 1, 2016

Chipster and others reporting that it isn't happening, at least for now.

http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story/1674016-sources-big-12-expansion-not-happening

jtm0097 · June 1, 2016

My source is reporting that the Big 12 doesn't actually have 12 teams.

VideoEagle · June 1, 2016

Good find, @TreeFiddy. I'm not at all surprised there isn't going to be any expansion because,

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The bottom line is there is no consensus on any non-Power Five candidates to add.

Everyone left cuts the pie into smaller slices than they add. Even a break even is worth doing.

And everyone is already selling their tier-3 rights, it's just UT is getting more because more people want to watch theirs than the others. There is demand for a Big 12 network, but not enough to break and rewrite lots of existing contracts. With contracts in place till 2025 and significant penalties for breaking those contacts, it looks like the BigXII is in place till then.

foutsrouts · June 1, 2016

16 minutes ago, jtm0097 said:

My source is reporting that the Big 12 doesn't actually have 12 teams.

Obviously another lie concocted by Baylor. They're just not very good liars.

Army of Dad · June 1, 2016

1 hour ago, foutsrouts said:

Obviously another lie concocted by Baylor. They're just not very good liars.

Nah, that's a lie from those corn shuckers. You just didn't realize because Nebraska has been irrelevant in national football for some time now...

Arkstfan · June 1, 2016

Other than BYU what potential candidate can consistently put 50k plus in the stands? I thought ECU could do it but they've faded a bit.

If the people in your area won't buy a lot of tickets how many choose to watch you on TV when the choice is your team or the local P5?

MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF · June 1, 2016

Texas is waiting for a conference to give them an invite with their network. With ESPN losing subscribers, it's not as much an issue now as it was in 2010 and 2011.

Also, it is now clear that Longhorn Network's money hasn't made Texas more competitive in football...or, most other sports. Men's basketball isn't great. Baseball is as average as it's ever been.

Oklahoma will either follow Texas wherever they go, or wait to jump after. KU will be in play for the Big Ten, ACC, or Pac-12. Great basketball, great academics.

The only other school I see having an outside shot at surviving the breakup of the Big 12 is Oklahoma State. But, nobody is really clamoring for them. They are second rate at everything sports despite T. Boone's money infusion a couple of years back.

The rest of the Big 12 is horsesh*t.

Ben Gooding · June 1, 2016

8 minutes ago, Arkstfan said:

Other than BYU what potential candidate can consistently put 50k plus in the stands? I thought ECU could do it but they've faded a bit.

If the people in your area won't buy a lot of tickets how many choose to watch you on TV when the choice is your team or the local P5?

Any G5 program worth anything whatsoever can consistently put 50K in the stands when they get a new conference patch sewn on their shoulder while playing the likes of UT, OU, Tech, etc. at home. js.

Edited June 1, 2016 by Ben Gooding

untjim1995 · June 1, 2016

If Chip Brown says that the Big XII isn't expanding, we should see an announcement pretty soon that two more teams will be added soon. Dude has an uncanny ability to be dead-ass wrong about stuff like this. Still my favorite was his tweet in 2011that A&M was absolutely not going to the SEC...two days before they announced they were going to the SEC. He has a record like this and it amazes me how many sports journalists still use his stuff.

MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF · June 1, 2016

2 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

If Chip Brown says that the Big XII isn't expanding, we should see an announcement pretty soon that two more teams will be added soon. Dude has an uncanny ability to be dead-ass wrong about stuff like this. Still my favorite was his tweet in 2011that A&M was absolutely not going to the SEC...two days before they announced they were going to the SEC. He has a record like this and it amazes me how many sports journalists still use his stuff.

True. Chip is the Horniest Horn Homer in the media.

untjim1995 · June 1, 2016

Just now, MeanGreenMailbox said:

True. Chip is the Horniest Horn Homer in the media.

He and that Geoff Ketchum are two of the dumbest reporters I have ever read---they try to say they are professional journalists, but they are just fans turned money makers for Texas fans.

I read on a Texas Longhorn Fan website a few years ago that it could be argued that no person has hurt Texas Football more than Geoff Ketchum. He's the Rivals ranking specialist for the state--and just happens to run a newsletter and website that charges for content. Naturally, any Texas recruit got super reviews and higher ratings than others. Guys like Gilbert and Swoopes, both of whom he rated as 5* QBs, as well as so many others, that get inflated because Texas wanted them, then got to campus and couldn't play at this level.

Both of those guys are just tools...

MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF · June 1, 2016

Gilbert had some talent. But, like many QBs at Texas, never lived up to his potential because they've never had a great QB coach.

Swoopes is a tight end. Texas was just too dumb to be honest and move him there from Day One. He probably could have been stuck on the other side of the ball earlier in his career and made a great rush end.

Yeah...Texas was dumb with those two; can't disagree. It took them four years to figure out that Vince Young couldn't read a playbook, but was good enough to just run on college defenses. Stupid.

Chris Simms underachieved. The two best QBs under Mack were Mackovic holdover Applewhite and Colt McCoy. McCoy just has a head for the game, and worked his butt off to overcome his physical deficiencies.

Too bad they couldn't have put McCoy's work ethic into Simms, or his brain into Young.

Harry · June 1, 2016

1 hour ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

The two best QBs under Mack were Mackovic holdover Applewhite and Colt McCoy.

Um, methinks Vince Young was pretty good.

UNTFan23 · June 1, 2016

4 minutes ago, Harry said:

Um, methinks Vince Young was pretty good.

He had tons of raw talent and speed but as pointed out and eventually discovered in the NFL, he struggled learning actual plays.

MeanGreenTexan · June 1, 2016

1 hour ago, UNTFan23 said:

He had tons of raw talent and speed but as pointed out and eventually discovered in the NFL, he struggled learning actual plays.

What does that have to do with his time dominating at Texas though? Best D-1 player I've ever seen.

MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF · June 1, 2016

2 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

What does that have to do with his time dominating at Texas though? Best D-1 player I've ever seen.

He was 1-2 or 1-3 against Oklahoma. Had to talk Mack Brown into just letting him play instead of being expected to run playbook plays - and, that's when he took off...in college.

Had he the brains or discipline, he could have been as good as Cam Newton. He had neither. Credit Texas for eventually not caring...although, it sent him to the pros with pretty much no skill other than pulling the ball down or heaving up Hail Mary-type ducks.

MeanGreenTexan · June 1, 2016

8 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

He was 1-2 or 1-3 against Oklahoma. Had to talk Mack Brown into just letting him play instead of being expected to run playbook plays - and, that's when he took off...in college.

Had he the brains or discipline, he could have been as good as Cam Newton. He had neither. Credit Texas for eventually not caring...although, it sent him to the pros with pretty much no skill other than pulling the ball down or heaving up Hail Mary-type ducks.

You and I must have been watching 2 different guys. Are you thinking of some other dude/team?

Cam's Heisman year (2010):
Passing - 185/280 - 2854yds - 30TD/7INT
Rushing - 264 - 1473yds - 20TD

Vince's 'Heisman' year (2005):
Passing - 212/325 - 3036yds - 26TD/10INT
Rushing - 155 - 1050 - 12TD

He threw for more overall yards (must have been a lot of Hail Mary-type ducks), and his rushing ypc was much higher than Cam's.

The main difference? Cam was running Malzahn's high-octane offense, and Vince was basically running his own offense because Greg Davis is a goober.

Don't let what happened in the NFL cloud your judgement of what the dude did in college. We're talking about college.

untjim1995 · June 1, 2016

1 minute ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

You and I must have been watching 2 different guys. Are you thinking of some other dude/team?

Cam's Heisman year (2010):
Passing - 185/280 - 2854yds - 30TD/7INT
Rushing - 264 - 1473yds - 20TD

Vince's 'Heisman' year (2005):
Passing - 212/325 - 3036yds - 26TD/10INT
Rushing - 155 - 1050 - 12TD

He threw for more overall yards (must have been a lot of Hail Mary-type ducks), and his rushing ypc was much higher than Cam's.

The main difference? Cam was running Malzahn's high-octane offense, and Vince was basically running his own offense because Greg Davis is a goober.

Don't let what happened in the NFL cloud your judgement of what the dude did in college. We're talking about college.

Yes, in college, his pure athletic ability and size just put him above the crowd most of the time in his last two seasons.

Vince Young is not a smart individual, though. Once the physical abilities got evened out in the NFL, his days of getting up after big hits was pretty much over.

But his two Rose Bowls at Texas were things of beauty. He's a Texas legend and always should be. As MGT said, one of the best college players of all-time...

Arkstfan · June 2, 2016

13 hours ago, Ben Gooding said:

Any G5 program worth anything whatsoever can consistently put 50K in the stands when they get a new conference patch sewn on their shoulder while playing the likes of UT, OU, Tech, etc. at home. js.

Boston College, Cal, Colorado, Duke, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Louisville, Maryland, Miami, North Carolina, Northwestern, Oregon State, Pitt, Purdue, Stanford, Syracuse, TCU, Utah, Vandy and Virginia aren't putting 50k in the stands with their pretty patches and playing big names at home.

14 hours ago, Ben Gooding said:

Any G5 program worth anything whatsoever can consistently put 50K in the stands when they get a new conference patch sewn on their shoulder while playing the likes of UT, OU, Tech, etc. at home. js.

Boston College, Cal, Colorado, Duke, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Louisville, Maryland, Miami, North Carolina, Northwestern, Oregon State, Pitt, Purdue, Stanford, Syracuse, TCU, Utah, Vandy and Virginia aren't putting 50k in the stands with their pretty patches and playing big names at home.

untjim1995 · June 2, 2016

10 hours ago, Arkstfan said:

Boston College, Cal, Colorado, Duke, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Louisville, Maryland, Miami, North Carolina, Northwestern, Oregon State, Pitt, Purdue, Stanford, Syracuse, TCU, Utah, Vandy and Virginia aren't putting 50k in the stands with their pretty patches and playing big names at home.

Boston College, Cal, Colorado, Duke, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Louisville, Maryland, Miami, North Carolina, Northwestern, Oregon State, Pitt, Purdue, Stanford, Syracuse, TCU, Utah, Vandy and Virginia aren't putting 50k in the stands with their pretty patches and playing big names at home.

But its either because of capacity or because of suckitude. Kansas State proved that if you can turn things around, people will come watch and support you--but its a lot easier to do that when you have Nebraska, Oklahoma, Colorado, and the other Big 8 powers of the day playing at your place every other week.

MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF · June 2, 2016

I'm not saying Vince wasn't a great player in college. His skill set before he went to Mack Brown's offense and complained about having to stick with the playbook was not great.

Going into 2005, he had completed less than 60% of his passes, and thrown 18 TDs and 18 INTs. Not really great. The greatness came when they let him run instead of trying to make a QB out of him.

In the pros, you have to be able to play QB. I don't care what anyone's stats are. Compare Tom Brady's college stats to Johnny Manziel's, okay? Manziel is not a QB; Brady is.

In the same vein, Cam Newton is a QB; Vince Young was not. You can't "out-athlete" your opponents for 16 weeks in the NFL. It doesn't happen that way. Young. Maziel, RGIII...great for a season or two in college. Not much in the pros when they had to actually learn and play the QB position.

Put it this way as well: If I had a kid who played quarterback in high school, and he had the opportunity to train for a week or so with any QB, I'd choose to have him train with a Tom Brady, Cam Newton, or Peyton Manning over exciting college players like Young, Manziel, and RGIII.

I underline the word players because being a great college player is different than being a pro QB. Some were, or are, both. Some were, or are, not.