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UNT90 · May 24, 2016

12 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

If you see a personal attack report it. Don't respond in kind. The Report Post button is at the top of every single post.

If you want to discuss it any further, PM me, don't junk up this thread.

That goes for everyone.

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Just got a copy of the NCAA report the Texas Tribune is based on. It's not pretty.

Do share.

GrayEagle · May 24, 2016

The $20 million shortfall is a total crock of crap.

In the first place the 2015 athletic year isn't even over. Since we don't have baseball, only coaches' salaries and recruiting expenses remain for the most part. Usually, at least the amounts of revenue and expenses reported to the U S Department of Education, the year runs from September 1 thru August 31 of the following year. Thus, 2015 won't be complete until August 31, 2016. Then, it will take several months until that figure is known. Mike Ashbaugh is responsible for that reporting.

For the fiscal year ended August 31, 2015 (the last complete report) we show that we had total revenues of $28,894,552 and total expenses of $24,226,523 which gave us a surplus of $4,668,029. There was an unallocated revenue figure of a little more than $9 million dollars which I assume was student fees.

So, even if we had ZERO revenue the maximum loss there could have been would have been around $15 million when student fees are deducted.

Cerebus · May 24, 2016

Just now, UNT90 said:

Do share.

It has email/phone number for some University employees, trying to find a copy with that redacted.

All About UNT · May 24, 2016

2 hours ago, Cerebus said:

If you see a personal attack report it. Don't respond in kind. The Report Post button is at the top of every single post.

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Just got a copy of the NCAA report the Texas Tribune is based on. It's not pretty.

Cerebus · May 24, 2016

7 minutes ago, All About UNT said:

All About UNT · May 24, 2016

2 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

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Cerebus · May 24, 2016

Ok here we go.

First I want to say a few things:

It is very common for a University to pay some direct costs. Only 24 NCAA FBS level athletics programs break even or make a profit, so even the majority of the P5 have to have the university underwrite the athletics program through direct institutional support.
This report was submitted in January of this year, and is for FY2015.
This report was acquired and release to the public by the Texas Tribune.
I have no idea what the average % of an FBS (G5 or P5) school's budget is usually subsidized by direct institutional support. I do not know exactly where NT would fall in the spectrum.

Total Revenue

Total revenue for FY2015 was $31,312,298. The largest components of that were:

Student Fees $10,724,272
Direct Institutional Support $9,319,514
Contributions $2,484,532
Conference Distributions $2,202,737
Royalties, Licensing, Etc $1,848,277
Ticket Sales $1,593,007
Program, Novelty, Parking and Concession Sales $1, 142,961
NCAA Distributions $1,015,181

Total Expenses

Total Expenses for FY2015 was $31,268,741. The largest components of that were:

Coaching Salaries, Benefits and Bonuses $5,149,797
Athletic Facilities Debt Service $5,146,225
Support staff/Administrative Compensation $4,977,297
Athletic Student Aid $4 ,318,418
Direct Overhead and Administrative Expenses $2,288,882
Team Travel $1,782,630
Game Expenses $1,516,595

A copy of the report can be found here: http://imgur.com/a/aIJv4

UNTFan23 · May 24, 2016

To me, a $20M deficit would mean Income of $30M and Expenditures of $50M. I'm guessing the author of the article is combining the Student Fees and Direct Institutional Support to come up with a "deficit." You'll be hard pressed to find a G5 university that can survive without student service fees and institutional support.

TreeFiddy · May 24, 2016

Much of this information can be found (less detail) in the USA Today database (UNT checks in at 85):

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Aldo · May 24, 2016

2 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

I'm guessing the author of the article is combining the Student Fees and Direct Institutional Support to come up with a "deficit."

I was thinking the same thing as well.

That the student and institutional subsidies are a way to balance the Athletic "deficit" because Athletics can't come up with it itself.

Aldo · May 24, 2016

27 minutes ago, Cerebus said:

I have no idea what the average % of an FBS (G5 or P5) school's budget is usually subsidized by direct institutional support. I do not know exactly where NT would fall in the spectrum.

Not sure if I read this one right, but out of all 201 D1 programs between 2010-2014, the average number was at 18%

http://projects.huffingtonpost.com/ncaa/subsidy-gap

oh and here's a school by school look

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

meanrob · May 24, 2016

That ticket sales income is pathetic.

Cerebus · May 24, 2016

9 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

To me, a $20M deficit would mean Income of $30M and Expenditures of $50M. I'm guessing the author of the article is combining the Student Fees and Direct Institutional Support to come up with a "deficit." You'll be hard pressed to find a G5 university that can survive without student service fees and institutional support.

You'd be hard pressed to find a P5 that could do that. I don't agree with the authors contention that the student fee is a "subsidy". It is a fee that the students DECIDED to vote on and use for athletics. They got to choose whether or not to put the fee in place, which is a lot more than they can do for most fees.

However the $9.3M in Direct Institutional Support is more or less a subsidy. It is the university covering the costs that otherwise the athletic department can't.