Joe Pa knew for 35 years

UNT90 · May 9, 2016

Hopefully Pedo St. gets stuck paying the full bill, as it really is the only punishment they will receive.

I will say that you don't charge organizations with this type of criminal behavior. Penn St. is only liable civilly. I'm quite sure their investigation occurred after the law enforcement investigation was complete. Is there a duty to report for sexual abuse in PA that is so old it's beyond the statute of limitations? Don't know. You would have to look up PA statutes. There is every possibility they were resolved of this responsibility because the statute had ran. I'm sure their attorneys were very aware of the proper reporting procedures and surely didn't want more of a scandal (no would think).

FirefightnRick · May 9, 2016

Sick bastards.

Rick

MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF · May 9, 2016

2 hours ago, SilverEagle said:

Hmmm, interesting. So risk could be just anything? I would have thought that any insurer would include a clause excluding criminal behavior.

Sexual Abuse and Molestation coverage is common in packages for educational institutions and churches. Here's The Hartford's brochure regarding their coverage for such:

http://www.thehartford.com/sites/thehartford/files/LLSAM-brochure_.pdf

Again, because the claims are rare, insurers include it as part of packages for educational institutions and some churches. It is not available as a stand alone insurance product.

MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF · May 9, 2016

Good, extensive report on Sexual Abuse and Molestation coverage and laws/legal opinions surrounding their claims, from 2010 and by MunichRe:
https://www.munichre.com/site/mram/get/documents_E1235435297/mram/assetpool.mr_america/PDFs/3_Publications/sexual_misconduct_claims.pdf

Edited May 9, 2016 by MeanGreenMailbox

foutsrouts · May 9, 2016

I'm done with having to visualize that lunacy, so only a small comment from me. Pedo State should have gotten at least double the smu death penalty.

SilverEagle · May 9, 2016

56 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

Sexual Abuse and Molestation coverage is common in packages for educational institutions and churches. Here's The Hartford's brochure regarding their coverage for such:

http://www.thehartford.com/sites/thehartford/files/LLSAM-brochure_.pdf

Again, because the claims are rare, insurers include it as part of packages for educational institutions and some churches. It is not available as a stand alone insurance product.

Just FYI, claims are not rare because incidences are rare. Incidences (secret or public) are (percentage wise) pretty much the same as they've always been. It's just that people were just not comfortable discussing the subject, and that was especially so in 1976.

Freud is accused of coming up with lots of weird theory's about childhood sexuality based on his years of therapy with middle class women. Many/most of whom told him about childhood molestation at the hands of their fathers. This was so shocking and unexpected that, rather than write up a paper to present to his peers that said "Damn, there's a lot of little girls getting molested by their fathers", he worked on the aforementioned strange theory's based on childhood fantasies. Both the professional community and society was not ready for this revelation. And while, as a society, we've come a long way, most people are still "Cleopatras" when it comes to the subject.

And IMHO, that has kept the claims down.

Got5onIt · May 9, 2016

Shameful. Penn St. Should be stripped of every accomplishment during Paterno's tenure.

UNT90 · May 9, 2016

2 hours ago, SilverEagle said:

Just FYI, claims are not rare because incidences are rare. Incidences (secret or public) are (percentage wise) pretty much the same as they've always been. It's just that people were just not comfortable discussing the subject, and that was especially so in 1976.

Freud is accused of coming up with lots of weird theory's about childhood sexuality based on his years of therapy with middle class women. Many/most of whom told him about childhood molestation at the hands of their fathers. This was so shocking and unexpected that, rather than write up a paper to present to his peers that said "Damn, there's a lot of little girls getting molested by their fathers", he worked on the aforementioned strange theory's based on childhood fantasies. Both the professional community and society was not ready for this revelation. And while, as a society, we've come a long way, most people are still "Cleopatras" when it comes to the subject.

And IMHO, that has kept the claims down.

I would add that while working with youth attracts good hearted people, it also attracts predators who take the job for the sole reason that the job provides them access to the victims of their particular choosing.

And while Freud may have focused on daddy/daughter sexual abuse, sexual abuse of male children by male authority figures (Dad, step dad, coach, mentor, pastor, youth pastor, on and on) are probably just as prevelent. Boys just don't tell.

If you are in this field and an incident occurs that causes alarm (walking in on a colleague helping a child "go to the bathroom" alone and it's a direct violation of policy, for example), report the violation. Instead of thinking of problem you may be causing the colleague by reporting, think of the consequences for the child if you don't and something IS going on.

They will always be Pedo St. to me, and I will always wish them failure, academically and athletically.

FirefightnRick · May 10, 2016

This needs to be said....

If it seems to some here that this subject is a bit personal with a couple of our posters here on GMG.com......that's because it is.

They both have dedicated their professional lives protecting children who are in great danger and/or in need.

We're damn lucky to have them both.

Rick

MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF · May 10, 2016

18 hours ago, SilverEagle said:

Just FYI, claims are not rare because incidences are rare. Incidences (secret or public) are (percentage wise) pretty much the same as they've always been. It's just that people were just not comfortable discussing the subject, and that was especially so in 1976.

Freud is accused of coming up with lots of weird theory's about childhood sexuality based on his years of therapy with middle class women. Many/most of whom told him about childhood molestation at the hands of their fathers. This was so shocking and unexpected that, rather than write up a paper to present to his peers that said "Damn, there's a lot of little girls getting molested by their fathers", he worked on the aforementioned strange theory's based on childhood fantasies. Both the professional community and society was not ready for this revelation. And while, as a society, we've come a long way, most people are still "Cleopatras" when it comes to the subject.

And IMHO, that has kept the claims down.

Agree. And, I think one of the main problems with these things is lack of witnesses, so it becomes bogged down in "he said/she said"-type of claims.

Except. I've gotta tell ya, modern day social media has made it much easier to figure out who said what to whom.

UNT90 · May 10, 2016

3 hours ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

Agree. And, I think one of the main problems with these things is lack of witnesses, so it becomes bogged down in "he said/she said"-type of claims.

Except. I've gotta tell ya, modern day social media has made it much easier to figure out who said what to whom.

Kids can't maintain lies amount writing in chalk on the wall, much less lies about sexual abuse which contain the same sensory details this week, last week, and last year. Hell, neither can adults, but children especially.

Always funny/sad when people want to dismiss a child's outcry of sexual abuse because "kids lie." In reality, they don't want to admit to themselves that this happens because that means it could happen to their child.

Ignorance is still prevelent on this subject because people want to remain ignorant. The topic is not an easy one for a lot of people.

Edited May 10, 2016 by UNT90

rcade · May 11, 2016

On 5/6/2016 at 9:35 AM, KingDL1 said:

... if the case went forward with any proof at the time Sandusky would have been in jail in 1976 ...

It didn't go forward because Paterno covered it up. A lot more evidence has come out in recent days showing that he knew and did nothing. The claims are coming from victims going back to the 1970s, many of whom have been paid settlements by Penn State.

Paterno was a fraud. He was held up as a paragon of living a virtuous life, but he failed to protect children from a sexual predator for decades. He even kept him employed at Penn State football and did nothing when the predator set up a camp for troubled youth! Sandusy is a monster. Paterno was a monster of a different kind.

UNT90 · May 11, 2016

It goes even further than that. He knowingly protected a sexual predator whose victims were children. He didn't ignore unusual circumstances, he covered up abuse.

It would be interesting to know more the the specific details of what Paterno knew about certain victims and if any sexual act occurred with any particular victim after Paterno knew that victim was being abused.

If this was the case, it could and most likely would make Joe Paterno guilty of Continuous Sexual Asslt of a Child under CURRENT Texas law. That's 25-life without parole.