GoMeanGreen Barbershop Podcast #159

Harry · May 5, 2016

The boys @Evan @BeyondTheGreen and @Harry discuss the 2016 Spring scrimmage, and overall thoughts on Camp Littrell, and also welcome in special guest and Denton Record Chronicle beat writer @Brett Vito for his insight. @TheReal_jayD also pays a visit and provides the latest Mean Green recruiting news.

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NorthTexan95 · May 5, 2016

Glad to see y'all over came your apathy and talked some football. I think the last 10 minutes with the recruiting guy was the best part. It gave some good insights into how hard working this staff is.

UNTLifer · May 5, 2016

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. Look at how many people are smiling. Two. One is smiling at his daughter and the other is wearing an Ole' Miss shirt. Telling about the results on the field. Bet you see completely different expressions this year.

Army of Dad · May 5, 2016

13 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. Look at how many people are smiling. Two. One is smiling at his daughter and the other is wearing an Ole' Miss shirt. Telling about the results on the field. Bet you see completely different expressions this year.

I was surprised to see so many people in the stands.

MGNation92 · May 5, 2016

Ekeler has been a hoss on the recruiting trail. Impressed with how much he's been travelling and doing for this team. Not only does he seem like a hell of a D-Coordinator, he could be one of our biggest assets in recruiting

Mean_Green09 · May 5, 2016

I dont trust anything Ashton says about the QB position. His talent evaluations are weak.

MGNation92 · May 5, 2016

54 minutes ago, Mean_Green09 said:

I dont trust anything Ashton says about the QB position. His talent evaluations are weak.

Looks like Vito isn't the only one riding the Alec Morris hype train.

"Shanbour is a nice story but lol, Alec Morris is bigger"

Quick release is just that, if you want to see the opposite of a quick release look at Tim Tebow's throwing motion.

Morris is a slow pocket passer that was recruited to manage the game and hand off to Heisman winning running backs. Shanbour was recruited to run the spread. Morris looks slower in making decisions, slower in throwing the ball, and slower running the ball. In an offense predicated on speed, slow is not what you want

SilverEagle · May 5, 2016

16 minutes ago, MGNation92 said:

Looks like Vito isn't the only one riding the Alec Morris hype train.

"Shanbour is a nice story but lol, Alec Morris is bigger"

Quick release is just that, if you want to see the opposite of a quick release look at Tim Tebow's throwing motion.

Morris is a slow pocket passer that was recruited to manage the game and hand off to Heisman winning running backs. Shanbour was recruited to run the spread. Morris looks slower in making decisions, slower in throwing the ball, and slower running the ball. In an offense predicated on speed, slow is not what you want

If you are saying that Shanbour was recruited, he wasn't. He walked on in 2014 when our offense was just the opposite of the spread. Now, what may be more accurate to say is that he was assessed and then retained by the current coaching staff to run the spread.

Aldo · May 5, 2016

20 minutes ago, MGNation92 said:

In an offense predicated on speed, slow is not what you want

But you also need a QB that can pass outside the hashes - including back shoulder passes, placement, be able to work up the pocket, and to consistently pass to RBs in the backfield.

Based on other practices that I saw this Spring (which wasn't more than a handful), I feel like the Spring game looked like Morris' floor and Shanbour's ceiling. Morris has previously performed better, and Shanbour had done his best so far.

MGNation92 · May 5, 2016

Just now, SilverEagle said:

If you are saying that Shanbour was recruited, he wasn't. He walked on in 2014 when our offense was just the opposite of the spread. Now, what may be more accurate to say is that he was assessed and then retained by the current coaching staff to run the spread.

http://newsok.com/article/3746677

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Shanbour had a scholarship offer from Colorado, but that situation changed when coach Jon Embree was let go. Northwestern (La.) State offered him, and programs like East Carolina, Indiana and multiple Ivy League schools were showing interest.

Looks like a few schools running the spread wanted him as a QB. He wasn't recruited by North Texas, but he was recruited by spread teams

MGNation92 · May 5, 2016

14 minutes ago, Aldo said:

But you also need a QB that can pass outside the hashes - including back shoulder passes, placement, be able to work up the pocket, and to consistently pass to RBs in the backfield.

Based on other practices that I saw this Spring (which wasn't more than a handful), I feel like the Spring game looked like Morris' floor and Shanbour's ceiling. Morris has previously performed better, and Shanbour had done his best so far.

Maybe he lost the ability to throw 50 yard bombs, slip screens, WR screens and dump offs when he got to UNT.

Aldo · May 5, 2016

4 minutes ago, MGNation92 said:

Maybe he lost the ability to throw 50 yard bombs, slip screens, WR screens and dump offs when he got to UNT.

Oh I've watched his videos. Years ago.

I'm talking about Morris 2016 and Shanbour 2016.

Look I'm a Shanbour fan and I liked him better when he had AM5 1.0. But I feel more comfortable rolling out with AM5 2.0.

To add, if Morris ever gets hurt, I would be comfortable with Shanbour and production wouldn't drop in terms of total team offense. The yards would just come by differently (run vs pass).

Edited May 5, 2016 by Aldo

Mean Green 93-98 · May 6, 2016

FYI, if a player has taken a medical redshirt, he is not able to take another redshirt year on top of that.

BillySee58 · May 6, 2016

8 hours ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

FYI, if a player has taken a medical redshirt, he is not able to take another redshirt year on top of that.

Unless it's another full-season injury. Also, if a player takes a conventional redshirt that is not due to injury then he won't get an extra year/medical redshirt for missing a year later on.

Also, I think people, notably Vito, are talking about a cult following for Shanbour that doesn't actually exist.

This board isn't falling in love with him. They're more saying that Morris hasn't earned the right to be the uncontested starter and Shanbour is simply the only player who can even semi-legitimately challenge him.

MeanGreenHoops · May 6, 2016

1 hour ago, BillySee58 said:

Also, I think people, notably Vito, are talking about a cult following for Shanbour that doesn't actually exist.

This board isn't falling in love with him. They're more saying that Morris hasn't earned the right to be the uncontested starter and Shanbour is simply the only player who can even semi-legitimately challenge him.

Spot on. Based on the spring game, Morris looked ok and Shanbour looked very good. At the same time many have said that that was probably because of the 1 v 1 and 2 v 2 nature of the scrimmage but that Shanbour deserves a chance. It also sounds like he is being given a chance.

Most of the angst is because Vito has anointed Morris the starter when the scrimmage we all saw he didn't look great, and also because Shanbour was buried last year when everyone got a tryout at QB, and that is fueling the rally cry for him now since he clearly has something and should have been given the chance sooner.

MGNation92 · May 6, 2016

2 hours ago, MeanGreenHoops said:

Spot on. Based on the spring game, Morris looked ok and Shanbour looked very good. At the same time many have said that that was probably because of the 1 v 1 and 2 v 2 nature of the scrimmage but that Shanbour deserves a chance. It also sounds like he is being given a chance.

Most of the angst is because Vito has anointed Morris the starter when the scrimmage we all saw he didn't look great, and also because Shanbour was buried last year when everyone got a tryout at QB, and that is fueling the rally cry for him now since he clearly has something and should have been given the chance sooner.

I think the 1v1 and 2v2 aspect is a dumb argument.

Was Shanbour throwing against the second string defense? yes

Was he also playing with the second string offense? yes

It's not like he was throwing to Randy Moss and Chris Carter. Give credit where credit is due. The kid can play QB, a lot better than most people are saying

Green Lantern · May 6, 2016

4 hours ago, MGNation92 said:

I think the 1v1 and 2v2 aspect is a dumb argument.

Was Shanbour throwing against the second string defense? yes

Was he also playing with the second string offense? yes

It's not like he was throwing to Randy Moss and Chris Carter. Give credit where credit is due. The kid can play QB, a lot better than most people are saying

Agreed. Also, the argument of "well we can't judge them off of one Spring Game" is tired. When else were the vast majority of fans going to see these guys in action? Most people with jobs can't just jet up to Denton whenever they want to watch practice. What else do people here prefer to discuss? The overall state of UNT Athletics? RV's job performance? The mysterious 17???

Not that the Spring Game is the be all, end all, but when the "lights were on" and they we're in simulated game conditions in front of a crowd, Shanbour outperformed Morris that day. It's noteworthy and merits sports discussion.

That said, I just want both guys to get a fair, unbiased opportunity to be evaluated based on their merits as a QB, not on perceived pedigree. Same for Fine when he gets here this fall.

Mean Green 93-98 · May 6, 2016

8 hours ago, BillySee58 said:

Unless it's another full-season injury.

I suppose that's correct; but in that case it wouldn't be a redshirt but a hardship waiver. And the comments in the podcast seemed to be referring to a standard redshirt.

Edited May 6, 2016 by Mean Green 93-98

BillySee58 · May 7, 2016

3 hours ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

I suppose that's correct; but in that case it wouldn't be a redshirt but a hardship waiver. And the comments in the podcast seemed to be referring to a standard redshirt.

Hardship waiver is much more at the forefront of your lexicon than that of most people.

TheReal_jayD · May 7, 2016

17 hours ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

I suppose that's correct; but in that case it wouldn't be a redshirt but a hardship waiver. And the comments in the podcast seemed to be referring to a standard redshirt.

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On 5/6/2016 at 7:54 AM, BillySee58 said:

Unless it's another full-season injury. Also, if a player takes a conventional redshirt that is not due to injury then he won't get an extra year/medical redshirt for missing a year later on.

Also, I think people, notably Vito, are talking about a cult following for Shanbour that doesn't actually exist.

This board isn't falling in love with him. They're more saying that Morris hasn't earned the right to be the uncontested starter and Shanbour is simply the only player who can even semi-legitimately challenge him.

"With Finley having a degree in hand he is eligible to transfer to an FBS school and not have to sit out and he will have possibly three years of eligibility as he is applying for a medical redshirt from his injury this past year."

"According to the Idaho Press-Tribune, the 6-foot-4, 200-pound Finley will have two years of eligibility left at his next stop and will be able to play immediately. Additionally, he could receive a third year if he receives a medical redshirt from last season’s injury."

Edited May 7, 2016 by TheReal_jayD

BillySee58 · May 7, 2016

18 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

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"With Finley having a degree in hand he is eligible to transfer to an FBS school and not have to sit out and he will have possibly three years of eligibility as he is applying for a medical redshirt from his injury this past year."

"According to the Idaho Press-Tribune, the 6-foot-4, 200-pound Finley will have two years of eligibility left at his next stop and will be able to play immediately. Additionally, he could receive a third year if he receives a medical redshirt from last season’s injury."

The medical redshirt will hinge on his original redshirt season back in 2013. If the NCAA deems that he sat out that season for medical reasons, and not just traditional non-injury reasons you would redshirt a freshman for, then he can get the hardship waiver/medical redshirt. That's the precedent the NCAA has set.

If he was healthy all year in 2013 and was practicing while he was redshirting then he probably won't get it.

TheReal_jayD · May 7, 2016

21 minutes ago, BillySee58 said:

The medical redshirt will hinge on his original redshirt season back in 2013. If the NCAA deems that he sat out that season for medical reasons, and not just traditional non-injury reasons you would redshirt a freshman for, then he can get the hardship waiver/medical redshirt. That's the precedent the NCAA has set.

If he was healthy all year in 2013 and was practicing while he was redshirting then he probably won't get it.

From Bruce Feldman the original article where i saw the possibility of the extra year. This is what i was referring to.

"One interesting aspect with Finley is he may become the rare grad transfer with three years of eligibility remaining. Most usually only have one left. "He has a clean case for his '15 medical hardship (filed by BSU) as well as the clock extension -- in that he arrived on campus in '13 with a shoulder injury that required surgery," his father Pat told FOX Sports."

BillySee58 · May 7, 2016

2 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

From Bruce Feldman the original article where i saw the possibility of the extra year. This is what i was referring to.

"One interesting aspect with Finley is he may become the rare grad transfer with three years of eligibility remaining. Most usually only have one left. "He has a clean case for his '15 medical hardship (filed by BSU) as well as the clock extension -- in that he arrived on campus in '13 with a shoulder injury that required surgery," his father Pat told FOX Sports."

Then he should get it. He's got a shot to practically get his PhD by the time his career is over.

Mean Green 93-98 · May 7, 2016

3 hours ago, TheReal_jayD said:

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"With Finley having a degree in hand he is eligible to transfer to an FBS school and not have to sit out and he will have possibly three years of eligibility as he is applying for a medical redshirt from his injury this past year."

"According to the Idaho Press-Tribune, the 6-foot-4, 200-pound Finley will have two years of eligibility left at his next stop and will be able to play immediately. Additionally, he could receive a third year if he receives a medical redshirt from last season’s injury."

Okay, thanks for the clarification. In the podcast, someone (maybe you?) was talking about him taking a redshirt year on top of a hardship waiver ("medical redshirt") year. You can't do that.

North Texas Shep · May 17, 2016

I can not believe you left out RGRS. It is cool, I just ran the place for 7 year and Denton is a crapper place without it. Thanks Ash!

Real glad to hear about the new QB. I did not notice or see that before. Kid seems that he can play. I like these last few pickups the staff has gotten. These guys seem to be out working the payment. Hopefully, the moves that made since they got here will translate to some success this next season. I am not expecting too much, but maybe we will get a big surprise (That is what she said. Figured that would be response). Never know...