A miss by the old staff

TheReal_jayD · April 27, 2016

You always have a favorite or two in each class. Josiah was always one I wish the old staff would have tried to pursue. Since he was right down the road

GMG24 · April 27, 2016

Hope we didn't miss, but can't see how we didn't with this one.

Harry · April 27, 2016

opportunity missed.

MEANGREENCOACH2 · April 27, 2016

we totally missed out on this young man. His Uncle literally told me he would have gone to UNT if they would have offered him. In the end we will see.

Oh and I did forward his HUDL film over to the coaching staff numerous of times.

Aldo · April 27, 2016

Hey but we totally landed Darius McNair, tho right? Right? :-/

BillySee58 · April 27, 2016

10 minutes ago, Aldo said:

Hey but we totally landed Darius McNair, tho right? Right? :-/

Coach Mac was holding out for a whole class of Darrien Mcnairs in 2016.

UNTLifer · April 27, 2016

I honestly think that Coach Mac would never consider a recommendation by a fan. I mean, how could we find a player that he didn't know about!?

MEANGREENCOACH2 · April 27, 2016

45 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

I honestly think that Coach Mac would never consider a recommendation by a fan. I mean, how could we find a player that he didn't know about!?

Because I actually went to some of his games and saw the young man play. I wonder if UNT even did that?

MeanGreenTexan · April 27, 2016

50 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

I honestly think that Coach Mac would never consider a recommendation by a fan. I mean, how could we find a player that he didn't know about!?

Need to point this ire to the director of recruiting at the time, Mike Grant.
McCarney had nothing to do with recruiting other than having stupid restrictions on which QBs could be offered.

MGNation92 · April 27, 2016

I wonder how many of these "misses" we'll see bite us in the ass over the next couple of years

Army of Dad · April 27, 2016

31 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Need to point this ire to the director of recruiting at the time, Mike Grant.
McCarney had nothing to do with recruiting other than having stupid restrictions on which QBs could be offered.

The head coach has nothing to do with recruiting!?

MeanGreenTexan · April 27, 2016

6 minutes ago, Army of Dad said:

The head coach has nothing to do with recruiting!?

Let's try this again.

Dan McCarney. Dan McCarney had nothing to do with recruiting.

"The Head Coach" should absolutely be present in recruiting.

I was specifically referring to Dan McCarney. Hence why I wrote: "McCarney had nothing to do with recruiting..."

Army of Dad · April 27, 2016

2 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Let's try this again.

Dan McCarney. Dan McCarney had nothing to do with recruiting.

"The Head Coach" should absolutely be present in recruiting.

I was specifically referring to Dan McCarney. Hence why I wrote: "McCarney had nothing to do with recruiting..."

Then why not direct ire towards Dan McCarney?

MeanGreenTexan · April 27, 2016

40 minutes ago, Army of Dad said:

Then why not direct ire towards Dan McCarney?

Because Dan McCarney was a recruiting invalid.
Being upset with him is like being angry at the demented patriarch of the family because cousin Joey wasn't invited to the family reunion, even though the family reunion Facebook page is run by aunt Dolores.

Upset a kid in your own backyard who expressed interest in committing if there were an offer? Better go to the recruiting coordinator... The guy actually doing (or, in this case, whiffing) the work.

MGNation92 · April 27, 2016

12 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Because Dan McCarney was a recruiting invalid.
Being upset with him is like being angry at the demented patriarch of the family because cousin Joey wasn't invited to the family reunion, even though the family reunion Facebook page is run by aunt Dolores.

Upset a kid in your own backyard who expressed interest in committing if there were an offer? Better go to the recruiting coordinator... The guy actually doing (or, in this case, whiffing) the work.

Gotta love the McCarney way of recruiting/Coaching.

Is he an ogre freak 5 star athlete that threw one pass in high school on a trick play? Yes you can play QB here. As long as you don't mind waiting behind a smaller, less athletic kid that can't throw the ball, and never getting reps until we travel to #1 Alabama to play a road game.

untjim1995 · April 28, 2016

McCarney's views on Qbs were his own fault, for sure. But even if he wanted better throwing QBs who were undersized, they were never coming here to play in an offense that Knute Rockne would have felt was too conservative.

What frustrated McCarney to now end, however, was that his staff couldn't get recruits to come here "just because"...he literally believed that kids in DFW and in the area would come here like they did at USF when he coached and recruited there. He truly felt this was gonna be just like that. When he realized after the HoD Bowl that the kids that were here already and had stayed after Dodge left were here because of Dodge's system and reputation in HS circles, it caused him to basically go crazy. Ironically, his last class was not bad, but the classes before were just unacceptable for a school in the middle of Texas. But UNT's inherent issues with apathy and losing were hurdles that his staff couldn't jump over. Maybe Littrell and his staff will be able to jump over them, but those hurdles have only gotten taller since Mac left, leaving us in a hole MUCH deeper than what he inherited, as well as the one Dodge took over from Dickey. Its gonna take years for Littrell to get us out of here...and he may not be able to do it. It could very well be that Littrell doesn't turn us into a winner, but gets us into a place where another coach will be in better shape to take over the roster than the colossal hole Littrell has inherited.

TreeFiddy · April 28, 2016

22 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Let's try this again.

Dan McCarney. Dan McCarney had nothing to do with recruiting.

"The Head Coach" should absolutely be present in recruiting.

I was specifically referring to Dan McCarney. Hence why I wrote: "McCarney had nothing to do with recruiting..."

Who?

UNTLifer · April 28, 2016

3 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

McCarney's views on Qbs were his own fault, for sure. But even if he wanted better throwing QBs who were undersized, they were never coming here to play in an offense that Knute Rockne would have felt was too conservative.

What frustrated McCarney to now end, however, was that his staff couldn't get recruits to come here "just because"...he literally believed that kids in DFW and in the area would come here like they did at USF when he coached and recruited there. He truly felt this was gonna be just like that. When he realized after the HoD Bowl that the kids that were here already and had stayed after Dodge left were here because of Dodge's system and reputation in HS circles, it caused him to basically go crazy. Ironically, his last class was not bad, but the classes before were just unacceptable for a school in the middle of Texas. But UNT's inherent issues with apathy and losing were hurdles that his staff couldn't jump over. Maybe Littrell and his staff will be able to jump over them, but those hurdles have only gotten taller since Mac left, leaving us in a hole MUCH deeper than what he inherited, as well as the one Dodge took over from Dickey. Its gonna take years for Littrell to get us out of here...and he may not be able to do it. It could very well be that Littrell doesn't turn us into a winner, but gets us into a place where another coach will be in better shape to take over the roster than the colossal hole Littrell has inherited.

I was good with the first half of this post, but not sure I agree with the second half.

DeepGreen · April 28, 2016

Read an article on David Morgan of nUTSAk fame today. He was working out at his old high school, Marble Falls, with our very on Cyril Lemon of the NO Saints. David was preparing for the draft. Why wasn't UNT all over Morgan.....same HS as Lemon. Opportunity missed?

Ben Gooding · April 29, 2016

20 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

McCarney's views on Qbs were his own fault, for sure. But even if he wanted better throwing QBs who were undersized, they were never coming here to play in an offense that Knute Rockne would have felt was too conservative.

What frustrated McCarney to now end, however, was that his staff couldn't get recruits to come here "just because"...he literally believed that kids in DFW and in the area would come here like they did at USF when he coached and recruited there. He truly felt this was gonna be just like that. When he realized after the HoD Bowl that the kids that were here already and had stayed after Dodge left were here because of Dodge's system and reputation in HS circles, it caused him to basically go crazy. Ironically, his last class was not bad, but the classes before were just unacceptable for a school in the middle of Texas. But UNT's inherent issues with apathy and losing were hurdles that his staff couldn't jump over. Maybe Littrell and his staff will be able to jump over them, but those hurdles have only gotten taller since Mac left, leaving us in a hole MUCH deeper than what he inherited, as well as the one Dodge took over from Dickey. Its gonna take years for Littrell to get us out of here...and he may not be able to do it. It could very well be that Littrell doesn't turn us into a winner, but gets us into a place where another coach will be in better shape to take over the roster than the colossal hole Littrell has inherited.

This is absolute bullshit. It may take years to build quality depth in some places, but it will not take years to put good players in the proper place in order for us to be competitive. That can happen this year.

untjim1995 · April 29, 2016

6 hours ago, Ben Gooding said:

This is absolute bullshit. It may take years to build quality depth in some places, but it will not take years to put good players in the proper place in order for us to be competitive. That can happen this year.

I'm not arguing about finding talent to put into positions on the field, but I am arguing that it will provide more wins than losses on the scoreboard this year or next. Look, if we were playing Old Dominion, Charlotte, and an F_U this year, plus we had UTSA, UTEP, and Rice at home, and Army at home, I could see us winning more than 3 games. But not with the schedule we have and not with the dearth of size and speed on defense, much less a brand new offensive scheme to implement with players built for something 180 degrees different. Winning 2 games would be a major improvement over last year's team that should have been winless. Marshall, MUTS, and WKU are light years better than we are right now, just as La Tech and USM are. The Texas opponents we play in CUSA are all on the road, where its tough to win anyway.

USM is our hope here--and not for a win against them, but to emulate their rebuilding. SMU is trying to emulate them, as well, and they just finished a 2 win season, that included punking us down there. They are a year ahead of us in the process, and way ahead in recruiting talent to their school. USM went 1-11 in Monken's first year, won 3 games the next, then won the CUSA West in the third year of his tenure--and they had WAAAAYYYYY more talent on their squad in Monken's first year than Littrell has right now. McCarney left him with a decent class from 2015, but with the absolute worst ranked class in FBS in 2014, as well as a really poor one from 2013--and we have seen that lack of development on the roster led to where we are today. We just have to hope we bottomed out last year.

GrayEagle · May 3, 2016

Did McCarney and the coaching staff go to any of the camps? Couldn't he or any of the staff find anyone worthy of a visit? Except for Perry and Patrick there was little effort to improve the squad IMO.

TheReal_jayD · May 17, 2016

Starting mlb as a freshman...

MEANGREENCOACH2 · September 27, 2016

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2665330-ranking-the-top-freshmen-in-college-football-from-september/page/13

GMG24 · September 27, 2016

12 hours ago, MEANGREENCOACH2 said:

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2665330-ranking-the-top-freshmen-in-college-football-from-september/page/13

I can't wait to see the look on Littrell's face when he's told that kid went to HS 10 miles from UNT campus and we never looked at the kid. His head may explode... pretty ridiculous.