NCAA OKs three-year moratorium on bowl games

[Coach Bill Lewis]

No new bowls will be certified until 2019.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...bowl-games

Not great news for eastern CUSA fans who were hoping to have another bowl option in the Southeast, since Myrtle Beach and Charleston were pursuing certification for this season, but at the same time nothing's preventing them from getting an existing bowl to move there, I guess.

 

[Travis]

I am ok with it.  I am surprised they haven't just added a 13th week since that is basically what it has come to. 

[North Texas Shep]

No 5-7 should ever get a bowl. If that is still happening, then we need less bowls.

[kj86]

59 minutes ago, North Texas Shep said:

No 5-7 should ever get a bowl. If that is still happening, then we need less bowls.

No 6-6 either...and no G5 conference champion should play another G5 in a bowl game.  Conf champs should get a P5.

[untjim1995]

8 minutes ago, kj86 said:

No 6-6 either...and no G5 conference champion should play another G5 in a bowl game.  Conf champs should get a P5.

The problem with playing a P5 is that these conferences send their worst team to that bowl game. Hence, when Penn State gets declared ineligible for bowl games, we get stuck playing UNLV in the HoD bowl, as opposed to a 6-6 Northwestern or Iowa team that year. Then, if you lose, you lost to the B1G's #10 team, watering down your season. And if you win, you beat the 6-6 P5 team that wasn't worthy of playing a conference champ.

[UNTFan23]

53 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

The problem with playing a P5 is that these conferences send their worst team to that bowl game. Hence, when Penn State gets declared ineligible for bowl games, we get stuck playing UNLV in the HoD bowl, as opposed to a 6-6 Northwestern or Iowa team that year. Then, if you lose, you lost to the B1G's #10 team, watering down your season. And if you win, you beat the 6-6 P5 team that wasn't worthy of playing a conference champ.

While we were a good team back in 2013, defeating Northwestern or Iowa was far, far from a sure thing that year.  That's the opportunity cost of playing a much heralded P5 opponent in that type of scenario. IMO, the bowl win means more than playing (and losing to) a P5 program.

If you were to go back through the corridor of years I think you'll find we have a losing record versus P5 schools, so while some here dream of playing them year in and year out, we choose to hamstring our program by scheduling games the team is more likely to lose to than win. I understand we have to do that kind of scheduling to keep the program afloat but we aren't doing ourselves any favors.

Truth is, The Big 10 has struggled to get a team to the HoD bowl each and every year. Given that they tend to send their worst team above .500 to that bowl, it will be a problem for the Big 10 every single year.

[UNT90]

1 hour ago, UNTFan23 said:

While we were a good team back in 2013, defeating Northwestern or Iowa was far, far from a sure thing that year.  That's the opportunity cost of playing a much heralded P5 opponent in that type of scenario. IMO, the bowl win means more than playing (and losing to) a P5 program.

If you were to go back through the corridor of years I think you'll find we have a losing record versus P5 schools, so while some here dream of playing them year in and year out, we choose to hamstring our program by scheduling games the team is more likely to lose to than win. I understand we have to do that kind of scheduling to keep the program afloat but we aren't doing ourselves any favors.

Truth is, The Big 10 has struggled to get a team to the HoD bowl each and every year. Given that they tend to send their worst team above .500 to that bowl, it will be a problem for the Big 10 every single year.

Seriously? Explain to me how the bowl win over a 7-5 UNLV meant anything? 

Because season ticket sales fell the next year, as did attendance.

This is a losers recipe for remaining a loser. Most UNT alums didn't care about UNLV vs UNT. And they didn't watch. Would they have watched UNT vs Iowa? Much more likely. Would a win over Iowa have given them something to actually be proud about when it came to UNT athletics? Much much much more than UNLV, as the attendance numbers bear out. 

Jim talks about opportunity costs and known costs. You are the ultimate known cost fan, never wanting to take a chance and preferring a meaningless win over a meaningless MWC team to a chance to play a Big 10 team with our best team in a decade.

Not surprised at all.

Edited April 11, 2016 by UNT90

[MeanGreenTexan]

21 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

Seriously? Explain to me how the bowl win over a 7-5 UNLV meant anything? 

Because season ticket sales fell the next year, as did attendance.

This is a losers recipe for remaining a loser. Most UNT alums didn't care about UNLV vs UNT. And they didn't watch. Would they have watched UNT vs Iowa? Much more likely. Would a win over Iowa have given them something to actually be proud about when it came to UNT athletics? Much much much more than UNLV, as the attendance numbers bear out. 

Jim talks about opportunity costs and known costs. You are the ultimate tangible known cost fan, never wanting to take a chance and preferring a meaningless win over a meaningless MWC team to a chance to play a Big 10 team with our best team in a decade.

Not surprised at all.

You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

You are correct that the bowl win did not translate into increased ticket sales.  I, personally, think the bowl win was great.  It helped in recruiting for sure.  

I believe the blame for the lack of MGC/season ticket increases lies at the foot of your altar... not because the bowl game was insignificant.

[UNT90]

14 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

You are correct that the bowl win did not translate into increased ticket sales.  I, personally, think the bowl win was great.  It helped in recruiting for sure.  

I believe the blame for the lack of MGC/season ticket increases lies at the foot of your altar... not because the bowl game was insignificant.

Wait, because I haven't done enough?

Or because Rick Villarreal hasn't done enough? 

[MeanGreenTexan]

Just now, UNT90 said:

Wait, because I haven't done enough?

Or because Rick Villarreal hasn't done enough? 

Who do you continually worship here on gmg.com?

I mean Rick Villareal & his staff.

[UNTFan23]

56 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

Seriously? Explain to me how the bowl win over a 7-5 UNLV meant anything? 

Because season ticket sales fell the next year, as did attendance.

Losing to a P5 wouldn't have helped season ticket sales either, so that's an awful argument to use for a rebuttal. North Texas was 3-4 in the regular season against teams with .500 or better records, 4-4 if you include the UNLV game. Had we played a P5 school, odds are pretty good we'd have finished with a 3-5 record.

I really struggle with the philosophy that scheduling P5 schools is in the team's best long term interests. If we're going to make playing P5s the highlight of who we play every season then lets de-emphasize the importance of playing in Bowl games because scheduling P5s is not your best formula to posting winning seasons. I remember people saying (and being quite proud of the fact) how the team "played Georgia tough for 3 quarters" that year. Problem is, we still lost the game. Talk about planting your flag on a completely meaningless moral victory.

Edited April 11, 2016 by UNTFan23

[UNT90]

6 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Who do you continually worship here on gmg.com?

I mean Rick Villareal & his staff.

Worship, funny man. 

I actually thought that was a response by Video and was about to fall out of my chair over possible criticizism from him of his leader. 

Shoulda known that would never happen.

 

5 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

Losing to a P5 wouldn't have helped season ticket sales either, so that's an awful argument to use for a rebuttal. North Texas was 3-4 in the regular season against teams with .500 or better records, 4-4 if you include the UNLV game. Had we played a P5 school, odds are pretty good we'd have finished with a 3-5 record.

I really struggle with the philosophy that scheduling P5 schools is in the team's best long term interests. If we're going to make playing P5s the highlight of who we play every season then lets de-emphasize the importance of playing in Bowl games because scheduling P5s is not your best formula to posting winning seasons. I remember people saying (and being quite proud of the fact) how the team "played Georgia tough for 3 quarters" that year. Problem is, we still lost the game. Talk about waving your flag on a completely meaningless moral victory.

Then go be a FCS team and whore until your heart is content. Never wanting to play better means never getting and being better.

Such a loser mentality that is inbred in this fan base.

Edited April 11, 2016 by UNT90

[UNTFan23]

7 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

Then go be a FCS team and whore until your heart is content. Never wanting to play better means never getting and being better.

Such a loser mentality that is inbred in this fan base.

I dare you to prove how losing to a P5 school at home is a good thing for the program. I'm pretty sure you can't which means you're just blowing tons and tons of hot, putrid air.

Heaven help us should we actually schedule a good P5 school in Apogee and we get curb stomped in front of our recruits.

[UNT90]

7 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

I dare you to prove how losing to a P5 school at home is a good thing for the program. I'm pretty sure you can't which means you're just blowing tons and tons of hot, putrid air.

Heaven help us should we actually schedule a good P5 school in Apogee and we get curb stomped in front of our recruits.

Ya, because Portland St. 66 UNT 7 was soooooo much better, right? I mean, you can drop down to FCS and get that result.

How about stop being scared of your own shadow? How about coming up with a scheduling plan that allows for success IF you made the right coaching hire. Why do you assume a P5 would not only beat UNT, but "curb stomp" them? K. St. didn't. Indiana didn't (yes, they sucked awfully). Baylor certainly didn't. As a matter of fact, when is the last time a P5 "curb stomped" UNT in Denton? Because I can give you a long list of whore games where the curb stompings occurred. 

And how does scheduling a regional, known P5 at Apogee help UNT? Let us count the ways:

1) We would be doing something  that EVERY conference mate is doing (wonder why they aren't scared of a "curb stomping?") 

2) UNT alumni would be pleasantly surprised that something that they have never seen before is occurring in a new stadium.

3) It increases the chances of actually beating a P5. (9 point loss to K St., win vs Indiana).

4) it will draw people to that game that have never been to Apogee. 

For a guy that thinks UNT has made the right hire and is on their way back, you exhibit zero confidence in the same during this conversation. You want the same level of suck that has always been  at UNT, yet you claim to be an optimist. Only at UNT.

Although it does explain your undying love for the Hattiesburg Hustler.

[UNTFan23]

And the passive aggressive attacks continue.

I first became a fan in 2001, meaning this is year 15 of my fandom. In that time, I have seen TWO WINS, both at home, against P5 schools. In that time, North Texas is 2-28 against P5 schools, a whopping .067 winning percentage. Again, scheduling P5 games based off of past results is not scheduling for success for our future. If P5 games are going to be our "bowl games" then we shouldn't complain about posting losing or mediocre (.500) records every season.

North Texas record versus P5 schools since 2001:

2001 0-2
2002 0-3
2003 1-2
2004 0-3
2005 0-2
2006 0-1
2007 0-2
2008 0-2
2009 0-1
2010 0-2
2011 1-1
2012 0-2
2013 0-1
2014 0-2
2015 0-2

[NT93]

3 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

And the passive aggressive attacks continue.

I first became a fan in 2001, meaning this is year 15 of my fandom. In that time, I have seen TWO WINS, both at home, against P5 schools. In that time, North Texas is 2-28 against P5 schools, a whopping .067 winning percentage. Again, scheduling P5 games based off of past results is not scheduling for success for our future. If P5 games are going to be our "bowl games" then we shouldn't complain about posting losing or mediocre (.500) records every season.

North Texas record versus P5 schools since 2001:

2001 0-2
2002 0-3
2003 1-2
2004 0-3
2005 0-2
2006 0-1
2007 0-2
2008 0-2
2009 0-1
2010 0-2
2011 1-1
2012 0-2
2013 0-1
2014 0-2
2015 0-2

How many of those were at home?

I know most of the games were "money games."  The fact is that many teams would have a similar record against the teams we've played.  Most teams don't win at Georgia, Alabama, LSU, etc., etc. 

 

[UNTFan23]

19 minutes ago, NT93 said:

How many of those were at home?

I know most of the games were "money games."  The fact is that many teams would have a similar record against the teams we've played.  Most teams don't win at Georgia, Alabama, LSU, etc., etc. 

 

Texas Tech in Irving 2001 Loss

Baylor in Denton 2003 Win

Kansas State in Denton 2010 Loss

Indiana in Denton 2011 Win

 

I think we played aTm in the late 90s at Texas Stadium but it was a loss as well.

We've seen how P5 schools aren't excited about scheduling home-and-home series with us and so 2-for-1 and 3-for-1 series seem to be the only option to get a "good" P5 into Apogee. Given how poor our overall record against schools of that caliber is I'm not confident at all we'd win many games even at home.

EDIT: Both the recent P5 wins at home were against schools with losing records (Baylor 3-9 ; Indiana 1-11).

Edited April 11, 2016 by UNTFan23

[UNT90]

49 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

And the passive aggressive attacks continue.

I first became a fan in 2001, meaning this is year 15 of my fandom. In that time, I have seen TWO WINS, both at home, against P5 schools. In that time, North Texas is 2-28 against P5 schools, a whopping .067 winning percentage. Again, scheduling P5 games based off of past results is not scheduling for success for our future. If P5 games are going to be our "bowl games" then we shouldn't complain about posting losing or mediocre (.500) records every season.

North Texas record versus P5 schools since 2001:

2001 0-2
2002 0-3
2003 1-2
2004 0-3
2005 0-2
2006 0-1
2007 0-2
2008 0-2
2009 0-1
2010 0-2
2011 1-1
2012 0-2
2013 0-1
2014 0-2
2015 0-2

No break down for home and away.

And make no mistake, there is nothing passive about this. Your attitude and like attitudes in our AD and administration ARE THE REASON we have sucked forever.

Is that clear and non-passive enough for you? Trust me, it's COMPLETELY aggressive. 

If you never try to be better, you will never be better. Period. You want to keep playing Texas Southern? Have the f at it. UNT will continue to suck and will continue to be the laughing stock of FBS programs in Texas.

Stop expecting less. Expect more. 

27 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

Texas Tech in Irving 2001 Loss

Baylor in Denton 2003 Win

Kansas State in Denton 2010 Loss

Indiana in Denton 2011 Win

 

I think we played aTm in the late 90s at Texas Stadium but it was a loss as well.

We've seen how P5 schools aren't excited about scheduling home-and-home series with us and so 2-for-1 and 3-for-1 series seem to be the only option to get a "good" P5 into Apogee. Given how poor our overall record against schools of that caliber is I'm not confident at all we'd win many games even at home.

EDIT: Both the recent P5 wins at home were against schools with losing records (Baylor 3-9 ; Indiana 1-11).

Where is the curb stompings you are soooo afraid of? Nowhere. They don't exists. K. St was a 9 point loss. And I'm talking about GAMES IN DENTON!

And what you are saying above is that you don't think the current coaching staff has what it takes to equal conference rivals, who are scheduling THESE EXACT GAMES THAT YOU ARE SCARED TO PLAY.

And teams won't do one and one's with UNT??? Well, they do with conference mates, they do with SMU at SMU's 30k stadium. MAYBE THE PROBLEM IS THE AD THAT STATES PUBLICLY HE WANTS TO WHORE THE TEAM FOR MONEY INSTEAD OF SCHEDULING THESE GAMES?

Just a thought.

Expect more. 

Edited April 11, 2016 by UNT90

[foutsrouts]

5 hours ago, UNTFan23 said:

Losing to a P5 wouldn't have helped season ticket sales either, so that's an awful argument to use for a rebuttal. North Texas was 3-4 in the regular season against teams with .500 or better records, 4-4 if you include the UNLV game. Had we played a P5 school, odds are pretty good we'd have finished with a 3-5 record.

I really struggle with the philosophy that scheduling P5 schools is in the team's best long term interests. If we're going to make playing P5s the highlight of who we play every season then lets de-emphasize the importance of playing in Bowl games because scheduling P5s is not your best formula to posting winning seasons. I remember people saying (and being quite proud of the fact) how the team "played Georgia tough for 3 quarters" that year. Problem is, we still lost the game. Talk about planting your flag on a completely meaningless moral victory.

But beating a mediocre Michigan in that bowl would have been something talked about around Mean Green campfires for generations. I definitely don't like scheduling the SEC LSU's of the world in the so called body bag games, but in bowl games I've got no problem with bigger is better. 

[UNT90]

10 minutes ago, foutsrouts said:

But beating a mediocre Michigan in that bowl would have been something talked about around Mean Green campfires for generations. I definitely don't like scheduling the SEC LSU's of the world in the so called body bag games, but in bowl games I've got no problem with bigger is better. 

Hell, losing by 27 in a regular season game to UT is celebrated as some sort of legendary game by UNT fans. A 7 point loss to an average Michigan team would be cause for celebration for decades with this fan base.

[NT93]

One problem with scheduling was illustrated this year.  Due to the fact that you have to schedule so far in advance you never know what you'll get. 

Exhibit A:  Iowa Hawkeyes.  The previous five years they are 7-6, 8-5, 4-8, 7-6, 8-5.   We play them and they're 12-0 before losing their last 2 games.

Exhibit B:  Tennessee Volunteers  The previous five years they are 7-6, 5-7, 5-7, 5-7, 6-7.  We get them this year and they're 9-4 with all 4 losses by a touchdown or less to OU, Bama, Ark,, and Fla.

That's the luck of the Mean Green:(

 

[North Texas Shep]

That turned into some drama real quick...

[casual fan]

Scheduling P5s in Denton is not as easy as some seem to think.

The Big 12 with 10 teams played 9 out of conference games last year.

SEC in Denton?  Don't think so.  Pac 12?  ACC?

Where is the incentive for them to play in Denton?

As you -1 me, go ahead and answer that question.

[Aldo]

Just now, casual fan said:

Where is the incentive for them to play in Denton?

A satellite camp, if you will? 

[casual fan]

1 minute ago, Aldo said:

A satellite camp, if you will? 

You made me laugh. +1

That goes under the sad but true column.