UNT's Annual Fund Dollars - Athletics

[Eagle1855]

I don't know how accurate these numbers are, but they were included in UH's 2016 Athletics Membership Guide that was mailed out to season ticket holders today. I was really surprised to see where we fit in the landscape of college football in Texas. Just gives some context of what we are up against related to investment in program and how much work we've left to do. 

Annual Fund Dollars; Number of Members:

Texas - $35M; 12,555

Texas Tech - $30.3M; 11,064

Texas A&M - $30M; N/A

Baylor - $12.7M; 4,800

TCU - $10.9M; 7,000

SMU - $5.3M; 3,541

Houston - $5.2M; 3,100

UTSA - $3.75M; 2,203

UTEP - $2.675M; N/A

Rice - $2.3M; 1,572

Texas State - $1.35M; 1,600

UNT - $800K; 1,100

 

 

Edited March 8, 2016 by Eagle1855

[MeanGreenTexan]

3 minutes ago, Eagle1855 said:

I don't know how accurate these numbers are, but they were included in UH's 2016 Membership Guide that was mailed out to season ticket holders today. I was really surprised to see where we fit in the landscape of college football in Texas. Just gives some context of what we are up against related to investment in program and how much work we've left to do. 

Annual Fund Dollars; Number of Members:

Texas - $35M; 12,555

Texas Tech - $30.3M; 11,064

Texas A&M - $30M; N/A

Baylor - $12.7M; 4,800

TCU - 10.9M; 7,000

SMU - 5.3M; 3,541

Houston - 5.2M; 3,100

UTSA - 3.75M; 2,203

UTEP - 2.675M; N/A

Rice - 2.3M; 1,572

Texas State - 1.35M; 1,600

UNT - 800K; 1,100

 

 

Is this Alumni Associations?   Athletics Booster Clubs?   

[foutsrouts]

But I thought raising money was RV's strong suit? Have to wonder how many Texas FCS's have also passed us by.

[DeepGreen]

1 minute ago, Eagle1855 said:

.....or at least get us on-par with Texas State.  

Not trying to point fingers at Eagle1855, but that right there is just a sad statement for our athletics.

[MDH]

UT has boosters that give more than that on an annual basis. We rock.

[bstnsportsfan3]

If that is truly our MGC numbers then it is beyond pathetic. Lower then Texas freaking State?? Everything else with the university is going so well...I wish we would hold the AD responsible for this...but we once again will let it slide. I hate to be negative and I like RV and I have personally met him and talked with him several times, but this can not stand. We need some new, fresh blood in the athletic department asap. 

Edited March 8, 2016 by bstnsportsfan3

[NorthTexan95]

I'm dubious of these numbers.  This AD office would never let the official numbers get out. 

[flyonthewall]

Let's see 4 donors gave 4.5 million this year to athletics.   So spin it how you want. This is just mean green club.   Subtract the minimum donation for a suite,  or your beloved "17" that you bash because we accept mediocrity,  and your mean green club money goes to 350,000.

[UNT Five&Dime]

I always love reading the fake shock when things like this are brought up. Like it wasn't expected.

Oh, and can we please stop bitching about others passing us by? We were never in front.

[foutsrouts]

3 minutes ago, UNT Five&Dime said:

I always love reading the fake shock when things like this are brought up. Like it wasn't expected.

Oh, and can we please stop bitching about others passing us by? We were never in front.

When something's dead, a heartbeat puts you in front of it.

[EagleMBA]

Its a damn good thing that Mary Hardin Baylor doesn't have an FBS program. We might be embarrassed. In fact, we would probably be embarrassed if data for all Texas schools was available, regardless of level. But hey, we're one of the 25 largest schools in America by enrollment and Tier 1, so there's that.

[UNT90]

1 hour ago, Eagle1855 said:

I don't know how accurate these numbers are, but they were included in UH's 2016 Athletics Membership Guide that was mailed out to season ticket holders today. I was really surprised to see where we fit in the landscape of college football in Texas. Just gives some context of what we are up against related to investment in program and how much work we've left to do. 

Annual Fund Dollars; Number of Members:

Texas - $35M; 12,555

Texas Tech - $30.3M; 11,064

Texas A&M - $30M; N/A

Baylor - $12.7M; 4,800

TCU - $10.9M; 7,000

SMU - $5.3M; 3,541

Houston - $5.2M; 3,100

UTSA - $3.75M; 2,203

UTEP - $2.675M; N/A

Rice - $2.3M; 1,572

Texas State - $1.35M; 1,600

UNT - $800K; 1,100

 

 

In Rick Villarreal's 15th year as AD.

But hey, Fly and the 17 are happy with his "vision," so we have that to... hold on to? 

Look for those numbers to substantially decline this year. In Rick Villarreal's 15th year as AD.

Good thing the Hattiesburg Hustler was smart enough to manipulate the right people...  For him...

Edited March 9, 2016 by UNT90

[UNT90]

12 hours ago, NorthTexan95 said:

I'm dubious of these numbers.  This AD office would never let the official numbers get out. 

No they won't.

Because they are lower than the numbers used by UH. 

12 hours ago, flyonthewall said:

Let's see 4 donors gave 4.5 million this year to athletics.   So spin it how you want. This is just mean green club.   Subtract the minimum donation for a suite,  or your beloved "17" that you bash because we accept mediocrity,  and your mean green club money goes to 350,000.

Yep, we should all just go away and let you big donors have your team, right?

Because what you are kinda saying here is "shut the hell up. We give the money, so we don't need your input." And there is some validity to that. But like I told you back in that 2014 thread, you better be careful, lest you look around and find only 17 other people opening their checkbook for anything related to UNT athletics.

Yet you insist on driving that UNT  bus at 100 mph toward that cliff to protect a friend. 

Get ready to open that checkbook wider, Fly, because when more walk away that money will need to be replaced. And guess where your little buddy is going to come? 

2015 UNT football attendance:13,361

Tell us again how you guys know what you are doing... While there are still enough of us around to bother.

Edited March 9, 2016 by UNT90

[Mike Jackson]

There is nothing to invest in here except the students.  And if that is the case I would rather donate to the College of Engineering or the general academic scholarship fund.  Student athletes with the good grades have access to those funds also.  What is the most frustrating here is the term mediocrity.  Mediocrity is .500 which makes you eligible for bowl games.  So if you take away Darrell Dickey's run (Remember the most successful coach in new FBS era at UNT that RV and crew ran of?).  This football team has been mediocre or above ONCE in 15 years.  So I strongly disagree with the UNT90's opinion that the big donors are accepting mediocrity.  To accept something it has to be given to you.  And this isn't even a mediocre program by the numbers whether you are taking about financial number or win/loss numbers.  The donors are comfortable with aspiring to be mediocre for 15 years on the way to be better than mediocre.  And to me that isn't loyalty that is almost cult like.  Cults slowly take intelligent, productive people down a path to do things that make absolutely no sense.

FYI to even be in the conversation for mediocrity UNT would have be somewhere between UTSA and Baylor on this list.

Edited March 9, 2016 by Mike Jackson

[Ben Gooding]

4 hours ago, flyonthewall said:

Let's see 4 donors gave 4.5 million this year to athletics.   So spin it how you want. This is just mean green club.   Subtract the minimum donation for a suite,  or your beloved "17" that you bash because we accept mediocrity,  and your mean green club money goes to 350,000.

Ah yes, I figured you'd be on here defending this right after I read the thread title. 

But at the same time you help bash. So, from your calculation or estimation, our alum gave a whopping 350k when no product was there for the taking, legitimate "donating." But you somehow for some reason still defend it. My one and only question, why? 

[Mike Jackson]

26 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

Ah yes, I figured you'd be on here defending this right after I read the thread title. 

But at the same time you help bash. So, from your calculation or estimation, our alum gave a whopping 350k when no product was there for the taking, legitimate "donating." But you somehow for some reason still defend it. My one and only question, why? 

This is why

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[Army of Dad]

5 hours ago, UNT Five&Dime said:

I always love reading the fake shock when things like this are brought up. Like it wasn't expected.

Oh, and can we please stop bitching about others passing us by? We were never in front.

Pretty sure we'll never see the end of bitching around here, but in your mind we were never ahead of Tx St?

Edited March 9, 2016 by Army of Dad

[Ben Gooding]

51 minutes ago, Army of Dad said:

Pretty sure we'll never see the end of bitching around here, but in your mind we were never ahead of Tx St?

Why would the bitching stop right now? Why should it? Hint: it shouldn't. 

[FirefightnRick]

5 hours ago, UNT90 said:

 

Yep, we should all just go away and let you big donors have your team, right?

Because what you are kinda saying here is "shut the hell up. We give the money, so we don't need your input." And there is some validity to that. But like I told you back in that 2014 thread, you better be careful, lest you look around and find only 17 other people opening their checkbook for anything related to UNT athletics.

Yet you insist on driving that UNT  bus at 100 mph toward that cliff to protect a friend. 

Get ready to open that checkbook wider, Fly, because when more walk away that money will be to be replaced. And guess where your little buddy is going to come? 

2015 UNT football attendance:13,361

Tell us again how you guys know what you are doing... While there are still enough of us around to bother.

Excellent post.  

 

Rick

[UNT90]

9 hours ago, Mike Jackson said:

There is nothing to invest in here except the students.  And if that is the case I would rather donate to the College of Engineering or the general academic scholarship fund.  Student athletes with the good grades have access to those funds also.  What is the most frustrating here is the term mediocrity.  Mediocrity is .500 which makes you eligible for bowl games.  So if you take away Darrell Dickey's run (Remember the most successful coach in new FBS era at UNT that RV and crew ran of?).  This football team has been mediocre or above ONCE in 15 years.  So I strongly disagree with the UNT90's opinion that the big donors are accepting mediocrity.  To accept something it has to be given to you.  And this isn't even a mediocre program by the numbers whether you are taking about financial number or win/loss numbers.  The donors are comfortable with aspiring to be mediocre for 15 years on the way to be better than mediocre.  And to me that isn't loyalty that is almost cult like.  Cults slowly take intelligent, productive people down a path to do things that make absolutely no sense.

FYI to even be in the conversation for mediocrity UNT would have be somewhere between UTSA and Baylor on this list.

I don't believe I said mediocre, if I did it was a terrible misuse of the word. This program can only hope to be mediocre under Rick Villarreal. It is so far below sub-standard it can't even touch mediocracy with a trampoline.

Yet people like Fly are ok with that as long as RV remains AD. It's the most mind boggling personal manipulation in FBS athletics.

The dysfunction in UNT athletics knows no FBS rival. That dysfunction will ALWAYS prevent success.  It's obvious. It's systematic. And UNT quite honestly doesn't care.

Edited March 9, 2016 by UNT90

[GrandGreen]

Again, I wonder how much worse these numbers would be if there was not mandatory donations required for premium seating.

It is amazing that as much as the school, number of alumni,  and Denton grows, donations numbers are still about the worse in D1 athletics. This from the AD who was going to raise over $90m for athletes fifteen years ago.  I applaud RV not damn him for the cultivation of a small group of high level donors, but overall he has been a dismal failure in what was lauded as his biggest asset when hired, fund raising.   

[ChristopherRyanWilkes]

Pathetic. 

[Eagle-96]

Hey! Quit complaining you insolent serfs. Do YOU have RV on speed dial? Do YOU personally fund the ridiculous buy-outs to cover for RV's ineptitude regarding hiring? Do YOU sit in your Ivory Suite surveying a vast empty stadium? Do YOU? Well, Do YOU? If not then your opinion DOES NOT COUNT. Let me repeat that. IT DOES NOT COUNT. RV, The 17, The BOR. They do not care what we think. The are playing the lyre loud and clear. Nero would be proud.  RV stays within the budget and that seems to be the ONLY requirement of keeping his job. As long as he does that he will be here for 27 more months and maybe longer if he gets extended. Remember, this is the school that let Craig Helwig keep his job for more than one day so an RV extension is not out of the question. Sigh.

Edited March 9, 2016 by Eagle-96

[Aldo]

Please tell me someone has tweeted these numbers out to the prez, local media, etc.

[wardly]

The bottom line is that if 17 donating units contributed approximately 60% of the $800,000 given, then about 1,100 MGC members gave approximately $350,000, or a little over $300.00 each.My math may be fuzzy, as I am an old man, but both Texas state and UTSA average giving unit is only in the $100 to $150 range.[some one please check my math] I am just very surprised at the much larger number of donators they both have vs. us. Anyone know if the UH report based on hard numbers or just a guess and by golly? Just asking, not trying to get into a pissing contest with anyone, although at my age and number of daily trips to the bathroom taken , I would be hard to beat.