MGB Friday football notes

SilverEagle · January 22, 2016

9 minutes ago, Tyler Maryak said:

Love it. Also, #1 Emergency Planning program (Masters of Public Administration) in Texas (#8 in the US). Just throwing that out there...

Hmmm, I wonder if the Portland St. game will be used as a case example in future emergency planning/disaster classes.

KRAM1 · January 22, 2016

All this talk about this school is better...that department is better..UNT is seen as a school for the poor kids and those who cannot get in elsewhere is just all a bunch of bologna. It is "individual" centered and usually coming from folks with an axe to grind for some reason or another. In my 40+ years in the financial services industry I never once heard anyone dismiss my UNT degrees nor speak unkindly toward UNT. And that goes from my days of original interviews to get my foot into the financial services area fields, to my days as a bank president before Texas went to branch banking, my days as a Regional Manager for a top tier bank, to my days working for Smith-Barney in the High Net Worth program to my final years as a CFO for a non-profit think tank. NOT ONCE! And, through most of my career I was hiring UNT grads and others and supervising employees with degrees from such "enlightened universities" as Harvard, Yale, UCLA, Stanford, and lots of what folks consider top tier universities. All with my UNT degrees.

Folks...it is not WHERE you get your degree...it is what you do with it once you get it! PERIOD!

If you are embarrassed by what you hear from these folks...stand up to them...but better yet, let it go because they have absolutely ZERO clue what they are talking about. They are displaying their ignorance front and center. If you have had challenges simply because you have a degree from UNT, do something about it because it probably is not "just" because you have a degree from UNT. UNT is a widely recognized quality university that turns out graduates qualified to enter their chosen careers. In fact, as some here have noted, degrees from UNT in some programs get one a "leg up" on the competition. True story...in our Alumni Association board meeting today, one of our members related a story of how she decided to drop out of a Big XII institution because everyone in her chosen field told het that if she wanted to work in that field she needed a degree from UNT and not the university she was presently attending. No one she talked with was bashing UNT! She transferred to UNT, graduated and has never looked back...quit successful in her career field by the way. She cannot sing the praises of UNT any more than she does to all that will listen. Oh, and it had nothing to do with any won/loss record of any of our athletic teams.

If anyone is ever "embarrassed" about their degree from UNT, they need to look in the mirror and see squarely where the problem lies. One is embarrassed ONLY if they allow them selves to be embarrassed or have done something to be embarrassed about. Usually, neither of those cases apply to this discussion.

And, to add...I have advanced degrees from two other universities as well as my two degrees from UNT. It is my MBA from UNT that opened the doors to me and allowed me to prove that I was as capable or more so than anyone else with any degree from anywhere else. PERIOD.

YOU control your destiny and your attitude. The decisions and choices you make are yours. UNT has provided you with the foundation...and a darn good one...you have to build the rest. Who cares what some kid says about his choice of universities...the kid will probably end up right back at UNT once he grows up a little. Who cares what it costs? In fact I am proud to tell folks about the quality of education they can receive at UNT at a fair cost, and how they can graduate with zero or smaller college loan debts.

If they want to tease me about our athletic record...so be it. I take it in good fun and I dish it right back at them. Every school has something you can "jab 'em with". Get over it! If they are your friends you know it is in fun, if you don't actually know them...who cares what thery think? We have 38,000 students on campus...that speaks volumes about what people think of UNT. BE PROUD...BE GREEN! If folks know they cannot "get your goat" by talking bad about UNT, they will stop...well, most will...there is always "that guy" aropund, right?

OK, off the soap box, but give this a rest folks...look around at YOUR UNIVERSITY...there are many many many reasons to be proud of being an member of the great MEAN GREEN FAMILY.

UNTexas · January 22, 2016

For goodness sake, get the man a parking spot...

Edited January 22, 2016 by UNTexas

ChristopherRyanWilkes · January 22, 2016

Certain companies will only hire from certain programs at Universities. That applies to both UNT and UT or anywhere else. This is more relevant for grad programs and undergrad you should really just be focusing on getting the degree with the least amount of debt possible and networking. Never found the need to get in a you-know-what measuring contest with people from other schools.

KRAM1 · January 22, 2016

3 minutes ago, ChristopherRyanWilkes said:

Certain companies will only hire from certain programs at Universities. That applies to both UNT and UT or anywhere else. This is more relevant for grad programs and undergrad you should really just be focusing on getting the degree with the least amount of debt possible and networking. Never found the need to get in a you-know-what measuring contest with people from other schools.

YEP...true statement.

NTAlum09 · January 22, 2016

16 minutes ago, KRAM1 said:

All this talk about this school is better...that department is better..UNT is seen as a school for the poor kids and those who cannot get in elsewhere is just all a bunch of bologna. It is "individual" centered and usually coming from folks with an axe to grind for some reason or another. In my 40+ years in the financial services industry I never once heard anyone dismiss my UNT degrees nor speak unkindly toward UNT. And that goes from my days of original interviews to get my foot into the financial services area fields, to my days as a bank president before Texas went to branch banking, my days as a Regional Manager for a top tier bank, to my days working for Smith-Barney in the High Net Worth program to my final years as a CFO for a non-profit think tank. NOT ONCE! And, through most of my career I was hiring UNT grads and others and supervising employees with degrees from such "enlightened universities" as Harvard, Yale, UCLA, Stanford, and lots of what folks consider top tier universities. All with my UNT degrees.

Folks...it is not WHERE you get your degree...it is what you do with it once you get it! PERIOD!

If you are embarrassed by what you hear from these folks...stand up to them...but better yet, let it go because they have absolutely ZERO clue what they are talking about. They are displaying their ignorance front and center. If you have had challenges simply because you have a degree from UNT, do something about it because it probably is not "just" because you have a degree from UNT. UNT is a widely recognized quality university that turns out graduates qualified to enter their chosen careers. In fact, as some here have noted, degrees from UNT in some programs get one a "leg up" on the competition. True story...in our Alumni Association board meeting today, one of our members related a story of how she decided to drop out of a Big XII institution because everyone in her chosen field told het that if she wanted to work in that field she needed a degree from UNT and not the university she was presently attending. No one she talked with was bashing UNT! She transferred to UNT, graduated and has never looked back...quit successful in her career field by the way. She cannot sing the praises of UNT any more than she does to all that will listen. Oh, and it had nothing to do with any won/loss record of any of our athletic teams.

If anyone is ever "embarrassed" about their degree from UNT, they need to look in the mirror and see squarely where the problem lies. One is embarrassed ONLY if they allow them selves to be embarrassed or have done something to be embarrassed about. Usually, neither of those cases apply to this discussion.

And, to add...I have advanced degrees from two other universities as well as my two degrees from UNT. It is my MBA from UNT that opened the doors to me and allowed me to prove that I was as capable or more so than anyone else with any degree from anywhere else. PERIOD.

YOU control your destiny and your attitude. The decisions and choices you make are yours. UNT has provided you with the foundation...and a darn good one...you have to build the rest. Who cares what some kid says about his choice of universities...the kid will probably end up right back at UNT once he grows up a little. Who cares what it costs? In fact I am proud to tell folks about the quality of education they can receive at UNT at a fair cost, and how they can graduate with zero or smaller college loan debts.

If they want to tease me about our athletic record...so be it. I take it in good fun and I dish it right back at them. Every school has something you can "jab 'em with". Get over it! If they are your friends you know it is in fun, if you don't actually know them...who cares what thery think? We have 38,000 students on campus...that speaks volumes about what people think of UNT. BE PROUD...BE GREEN! If folks know they cannot "get your goat" by talking bad about UNT, they will stop...well, most will...there is always "that guy" aropund, right?

OK, off the soap box, but give this a rest folks...look around at YOUR UNIVERSITY...there are many many many reasons to be proud of being an member of the great MEAN GREEN FAMILY.

Good post. GMG!

MeanGreenTexan · January 22, 2016

31 minutes ago, KRAM1 said:

All this talk about this school is better...that department is better..UNT is seen as a school for the poor kids and those who cannot get in elsewhere is just all a bunch of bologna. It is "individual" centered and usually coming from folks with an axe to grind for some reason or another. In my 40+ years in the financial services industry I never once heard anyone dismiss my UNT degrees nor speak unkindly toward UNT. And that goes from my days of original interviews to get my foot into the financial services area fields, to my days as a bank president before Texas went to branch banking, my days as a Regional Manager for a top tier bank, to my days working for Smith-Barney in the High Net Worth program to my final years as a CFO for a non-profit think tank. NOT ONCE! And, through most of my career I was hiring UNT grads and others and supervising employees with degrees from such "enlightened universities" as Harvard, Yale, UCLA, Stanford, and lots of what folks consider top tier universities. All with my UNT degrees.

Folks...it is not WHERE you get your degree...it is what you do with it once you get it! PERIOD!

If you are embarrassed by what you hear from these folks...stand up to them...but better yet, let it go because they have absolutely ZERO clue what they are talking about. They are displaying their ignorance front and center. If you have had challenges simply because you have a degree from UNT, do something about it because it probably is not "just" because you have a degree from UNT. UNT is a widely recognized quality university that turns out graduates qualified to enter their chosen careers. In fact, as some here have noted, degrees from UNT in some programs get one a "leg up" on the competition. True story...in our Alumni Association board meeting today, one of our members related a story of how she decided to drop out of a Big XII institution because everyone in her chosen field told het that if she wanted to work in that field she needed a degree from UNT and not the university she was presently attending. No one she talked with was bashing UNT! She transferred to UNT, graduated and has never looked back...quit successful in her career field by the way. She cannot sing the praises of UNT any more than she does to all that will listen. Oh, and it had nothing to do with any won/loss record of any of our athletic teams.

If anyone is ever "embarrassed" about their degree from UNT, they need to look in the mirror and see squarely where the problem lies. One is embarrassed ONLY if they allow them selves to be embarrassed or have done something to be embarrassed about. Usually, neither of those cases apply to this discussion.

And, to add...I have advanced degrees from two other universities as well as my two degrees from UNT. It is my MBA from UNT that opened the doors to me and allowed me to prove that I was as capable or more so than anyone else with any degree from anywhere else. PERIOD.

YOU control your destiny and your attitude. The decisions and choices you make are yours. UNT has provided you with the foundation...and a darn good one...you have to build the rest. Who cares what some kid says about his choice of universities...the kid will probably end up right back at UNT once he grows up a little. Who cares what it costs? In fact I am proud to tell folks about the quality of education they can receive at UNT at a fair cost, and how they can graduate with zero or smaller college loan debts.

If they want to tease me about our athletic record...so be it. I take it in good fun and I dish it right back at them. Every school has something you can "jab 'em with". Get over it! If they are your friends you know it is in fun, if you don't actually know them...who cares what thery think? We have 38,000 students on campus...that speaks volumes about what people think of UNT. BE PROUD...BE GREEN! If folks know they cannot "get your goat" by talking bad about UNT, they will stop...well, most will...there is always "that guy" aropund, right?

OK, off the soap box, but give this a rest folks...look around at YOUR UNIVERSITY...there are many many many reasons to be proud of being an member of the great MEAN GREEN FAMILY.

KRAM dropping knowledge.
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UNT90 · January 22, 2016

3 hours ago, Tyler Maryak said:

If I were someone reading this to learn about UNT, I would gather that A) This writer (who arguably has the inside scoop on things) thinks that the school will never be able to get a recruit from Liberty and B) athletes who are highly desirable would be embarrassed to have a degree from UNT.

I also didn't think it was fair that people were digging into Vito for his other article...but this one seems to be focusing on hand-picked facts to support an argument, that argument being that we were all dumb for hoping to land that QB because a degree from UNT isn't valuable enough to someone that good.

It is insulting to me and my university and I don't appreciate it.

I think Vito is letting us all know that our perception of UNT isn't shared by high school athletes.

Big shock there, and it will never change with Rick Villarreal sitting in the athletics complex.

GOMG2013 · January 22, 2016

30 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

I think Vito is letting us all know that our perception of UNT isn't shared by high school athletes.

Big shock there, and it will never change with Rick Villarreal sitting in the athletics complex.

I think vito is trying to show how hard it is to recruit to UNT.

Fans look at other schools and they feel UNT should be out recruiting them, but it's really not a fair comparison.

Anybody that thinks recruiting in Texas is no different than any other state should not even comment on recruiting. It's gonna take more than a new coach and new stadium to get this program going.

Ben Gooding · January 22, 2016

7 minutes ago, GOMG2013 said:

I think vito is trying to show how hard it is to recruit to UNT.

Fans look at other schools and they feel UNT should be out recruiting them, but it's really not a fair comparison.

Anybody that thinks recruiting in Texas is no different than any other state should not even comment on recruiting. It's gonna take more than a new coach and new stadium to get this program going.

All it takes is bringing in a core group of recruits for one class. See Ole Miss' class from 2012. See South Carolina's class from 2010. It takes a core group of players to come together at the right time and enforce their will into North Texas. It can be done. It doesn't take near as long as some on here like to think either. GMG.

Us being G5, I think it just takes a couple key players in key positions to make a team click. One obviously being at the quarterback position.

UNT90 · January 22, 2016

11 minutes ago, GOMG2013 said:

I think vito is trying to show how hard it is to recruit to UNT.

Fans look at other schools and they feel UNT should be out recruiting them, but it's really not a fair comparison.

Anybody that thinks recruiting in Texas is no different than any other state should not even comment on recruiting. It's gonna take more than a new coach and new stadium to get this program going.

Right, and recruiting is hard because high school athletes perceive UNT as a joke because of 10 losing seasons in the last 11. And only one 5-7 losing season and two at 4-8. That's 7 of the last 11 seasons with 3 wins or less.

Let that sink in.

And yet the man responsible still sits in the athletic directors seat.

If you were a kid with options, would you go to UNT?

Tyler Maryak · January 22, 2016

55 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

I think Vito is letting us all know that our perception of UNT isn't shared by high school athletes.

Big shock there, and it will never change with Rick Villarreal sitting in the athletics complex.

We know...we know...

GOMG2013 · January 22, 2016

3 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

All it takes is bringing in a core group of recruits for one class. See Ole Miss' class from 2012. See South Carolina's class from 2010. It takes a core group of players to come together at the right time and enforce their will into North Texas. It can be done. It doesn't take near as long as some on here like to think either. GMG.

Us being G5, I think it just takes a couple key players in key positions to make a team click. One obviously being at the quarterback position.

South carolina...ole miss...

How can you attract these difference makers you are talking about. Mac was close to closing in on some decent 3 star talent and schools like texas tech and tcu swoops in at the last minute and gets them.

UNT will have to do it with diamonds in the rough and with good talent evaluation. May have to get quality jucos until a few winning seasons can be strung together.

I think i listed about 50 things that impact a recruits decision about a year ago. UNT finished near the bottom as far as on the field performance of Texas schools. When it comes to recruiting, UNT would rank near the bottom in a lot of recruiting categories also.

I think UNT has improved on some things since 2013. Still has a long way to go. Uniforms and helmet has improved, but other teams have also stepped that up.

And comparing yourself against your past self is a horrible way to analyze it. Many fans make the horrible mistake of saying this coach had fouts, that UNT coach had that salary...seems like the AD has that same incorrect mindset and are expecting better results.

UNT needs to look at what other programs IN TEXAS are doing and copy it until they can figure out ways to tweak it and do it better.

GMG24 · January 23, 2016

6 hours ago, Withers940 said:

Thanks for a History lesson on Liberty Vito

Hm the interesting thing about that is from my graduating class alone (Liberty Christian '07) we had between 5-6 kids who either started or finished at UNT and saw nothing wrong with it. Lundblade walked on at OSU bc he wanted to prove he could play at that level of D1 football. Horton didn't work out because he stayed hurt, and as for the Southlake "kid" who would be so gaudy to think that having a degree hanging on his wall from any institution would be something bad is laughable.

GOMG2013 · January 23, 2016

13 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

Right, and recruiting is hard because high school athletes perceive UNT as a joke because of 10 losing seasons in the last 11. And only one 5-7 losing season and two at 4-8. That's 7 of the last 11 seasons with 3 wins or less.

Let that sink in.

And yet the man responsible still sits in the athletic directors seat.

If you were a kid with options, would you go to UNT?

Losing is hard to erase. And the whole "playing earlier at a sorry school thing" is starting to be a thing of the past.

Kids are playing early at good schools, at P5 schools, and at schools that are sending kids to the combine and getting them drafted.

There's still some things that can be done in spite of losing. Sad thing is, it costs money. Other things like twitter, slogans, and graphics don't cost much at all.

Aigle Vert · January 23, 2016

The sad part is that Liberty Christian is literally in UNT's backyard and UNT can't compete.

GMG24 · January 23, 2016

3 minutes ago, Aigle Vert said:

The sad part is that Liberty Christian is literally in UNT's backyard and UNT can't compete.

Yes they can. They just didn't stop by after we lost Bowen to KU.

El Paso Eagle · January 23, 2016

40 minutes ago, GMG24 said:

Hm the interesting thing about that is from my graduating class alone (Liberty Christian '07) we had between 5-6 kids who either started or finished at UNT and saw nothing wrong with it. Lundblade walked on at OSU bc he wanted to prove he could play at that level of D1 football. Horton didn't work out because he stayed hurt, and as for the Southlake "kid" who would be so gaudy to think that having a degree hanging on his wall from any institution would be something bad is laughable.

He took a smart ass comment made by a kid who really doesn't matter and continues to use it. To me this is disrespectful to the kids who choose to attend UNT!

We have our issues, like many other schools - but BV does seem to enjoy taking jabs. Yes I know its not his job to be a UNT cheerleader but he also does not need to try cut UNT down (and he wonders why he doesn't get more access)

UNT90 · January 23, 2016

17 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

He took a smart ass comment made by a kid who really doesn't matter and continues to use it. To me this is disrespectful to the kids who choose to attend UNT!

We have our issues, like many other schools - but BV does seem to enjoy taking jabs. Yes I know its not his job to be a UNT cheerleader but he also does not need to try cut UNT down (and he wonders why he doesn't get more access)

If you think Vito likes covering a loser, you are high. The constant ass whip of watching a losing program wears on him as much as it does most on here. Imagine if you HAD to go watch the disaster that is Benford basketball for almost every home game.

That alone is enough to make any sane man just a little bitter.

Then imagine having a front row seat to the ineptitude of this AD, and having that AD hate you for you having a seat at the s%#+ show.

I don't always agree with Vito, but losing to an FCS by 59 points, only scheduling 5 home games 2 of the last 4 years, crappy OOC opponents, an abortion of a basketball hire that is still hanging around, an AD that constantly lies to UNT's most ardent fans yet keeps his job is a MUCH more important problem than a kid not wanting to go to UNT.

Not to mention the reasons he doesn't want to go here.

Get over it.

Edited January 23, 2016 by UNT90

El Paso Eagle · January 23, 2016

UNT90 - Do you have to act like .... never mind, yes you do

Edited January 23, 2016 by El Paso Eagle

BigWillie · January 23, 2016

1 hour ago, UNT90 said:

Right, and recruiting is hard because high school athletes perceive UNT as a joke because of 10 losing seasons in the last 11. And only one 5-7 losing season and two at 4-8. That's 7 of the last 11 seasons with 3 wins or less.

Let that sink in.

And yet the man responsible still sits in the athletic directors seat.

If you were a kid with options, would you go to UNT?

Mac...is that you??

UNT90 · January 23, 2016

1 hour ago, El Paso Eagle said:

UNT90 - Do you have to act like .... never mind, yes you do

There are bigger issues than Vito pointing out the obvious.

Dont like the obvious? Fix the bigger issue. UNT never does.

Edited January 23, 2016 by UNT90

UNTFan23 · January 23, 2016

6 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

This troubles me. I worry about HS D-line recruits not knowing who their position coach will be and looking elsewhere.

As for Vito and his dugup SLake comment.

I've been on the hiring team at my office and where a degree was from had absolutely zero impact on our consideration of the employee. The only time a degree was looked upon as suspect is when it was from an online institution.

Which is more important at the particular moment in time -- recruiting or hiring a D-Line coach who likely wouldn't get to campus until, at best, right before National Signing Day.

HoustonEagle · January 23, 2016

6 hours ago, Tyler Maryak said:

Love it. Also, #1 Emergency Planning program (Masters of Public Administration) in Texas (#8 in the US). Just throwing that out there...

I have a EADP major and strangely work in finance for the last 20 years. I always laugh when they toss out that #1 ranking. When I was in school there was only one other university that offered a similar program. Can't be many more now.

FirefightnRick · January 23, 2016

I can only imagine what Vito must go through covering this program. Considering that RV was outed by one of our very own student reporters for lying during a single recent interview, imagine what it's been like for Brett having to filter through 10-12 years of bloated BS and half truths.

Rick