Texas Monthly Writer Bashing the Program

Ben Gooding · January 12, 2016

2 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

Well, RV is still here, so we aren't doing anything to fix the suck. And I think that article is a perfect illustration of that.

Again, not talking about the article written by the kid. I was referring to vito on twitter.

untjim1995 · January 12, 2016

5 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

Meh. He's not doing his job. If that was doing his job then the write for the Texas monthly and Vito could switch jobs. Screaming we suck to the world does nothing. That is, uh, something everyone already knows. If he wants to scream we suck it needs to be echoed with why we suck and what we are trying to do to fix the suck.

I know that you are younger and that you are of the generation that "mehs" all the time as loud as possible, but did you ever think that just for once that maybe--just maybe--the citizens of Denton, by a large percentage, feels the polar opposite about UNT Football as those of us on here do? Has that ever crossed your mind when we average 13k in attendance in a bad year and no more than 19k in a good year? IOW, the people in this town and at this university have never shown an interest in helping UNT Athletics beyond when they play someone they care about, like a former SWC team or service academy? Maybe, just maybe, Vito and the DRC are just reflective of the readers of their paper...

I know, I know...Meh...

UNT90 · January 12, 2016

2 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:

Again, not talking about the article written by the kid. I was referring to vito on twitter.

I think Vito has clearly stated the problems with this program, including a piece about the banner in the DRC which questioned RV's ability to win at UNT.

He simply forwarded a tweet about a statewide article on UNT Football. What the hell is wrong with that?

Ben Gooding · January 12, 2016

8 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

I know that you are younger and that you are of the generation that "mehs" all the time as loud as possible, but did you ever think that just for once that maybe--just maybe--the citizens of Denton, by a large percentage, feels the polar opposite about UNT Football as those of us on here do? Has that ever crossed your mind when we average 13k in attendance in a bad year and no more than 19k in a good year? IOW, the people in this town and at this university have never shown an interest in helping UNT Athletics beyond when they play someone they care about, like a former SWC team or service academy? Maybe, just maybe, Vito and the DRC are just reflective of the readers of their paper...

I know, I know...Meh...

You're not getting it. Anyway, I am pushing 29. I don't take selfies. I don't take pictures of my food or of a lone standing beer. I don't care about what people think of me. So your insinuation of me being a millennial is very wrong. I don't scream anything as loud as possible unless of course I am actually at a game. For the most part, I am very reserved and conservative.

SilverEagle · January 12, 2016

12 hours ago, Christopher Walker said:

His regular gig is as a shitty music writer. Surprised he would go anywhere near sports.

He only covers shitty music? Wow, that must bum-out most musicians when they see him show up to their gig.

Sorry Chris......couldn't resist.

Rudy · January 12, 2016

14 hours ago, Withers940 said:

He compairs himself to Steve Jobs, What a dumb ass, HAHA

So he was disappointed? Now he knows how those women felt.

Edited January 12, 2016 by Rudy

Quoner · January 12, 2016

After a quick scan, it's safe to say there are no winners on either side of this one.

HarringtonFishSmeller · January 12, 2016

It's a given that Texas Monthly sucks...but, the guy's not wrong.

It was a pathetic season where an FCS school beat us as if they were a traditional powerhouse. Our quarterbacking was horrible. And, fans didn't show up.

So, again, where is he wrong?

untjim1995 · January 12, 2016

23 minutes ago, Quoner said:

After a quick scan, it's safe to say there are no winners on either side of this one.

Some just lost more than others...

GreenTexan13 · January 12, 2016

17 hours ago, Graddean said:

Won't read and won't respond..the worst thing you can do to a writer is ignore him or her.

Or prove him wrong in the future with back to back winning seasons. UNT and the athletic dept did this to themselves...The guy is an A-hole but he is right on a lot of things.He is the epitome of the average fair weather UNT student game attendee and the average Dentonite who probably knows nothing of the programs recent transformation with Littrell. But as long as we keep sucking, we are going to have to stand by while this guy and UNT 90 rant aqbout the state of this program.

rcade · January 12, 2016

4 hours ago, Ben Gooding said:

Yes, they are here to cover the team. They are not here to rub our faces in the shit via social media. If he had attached a story to that tweet then so be it, but he was just grabbing our necks and forcing our faces into our own shit. Beat writers elsewhere never do that, never.

You're trying too hard to be offended. Beat writers post tweets like that all the time. It's the 21st century, grandpa.

HarringtonFishSmeller · January 12, 2016

1 hour ago, rcade said:

You're trying too hard to be offended. Beat writers post tweets like that all the time. It's the 21st century, grandpa.

Sadly, I think this guy is much younger than us...young enough to, perhaps, not be as jaded about it as we have grown to be.

UNT90 · January 12, 2016

1 hour ago, GreenTexan13 said:

Or prove him wrong in the future with back to back winning seasons. UNT and the athletic dept did this to themselves...The guy is an A-hole but he is right on a lot of things.He is the epitome of the average fair weather UNT student game attendee and the average Dentonite who probably knows nothing of the programs recent transformation with Littrell. But as long as we keep sucking, we are going to have to stand by while this guy and UNT 90 rant aqbout the state of this program.

Bahahahahahahahahahaha. You talk like this is his second season after a bowl season. He hasn't done squat yet, because he hasn't had time to do squat.

A 3rd team Alabama QB and a transfer DT that has never played in a college game is "transforming a program?"

What a joke of a post.

GreenTexan13 · January 12, 2016

20 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

Bahahahahahahahahahaha. You talk like this is his second season after a bowl season. He hasn't done squat yet, because he hasn't had time to do squat.

A 3rd team Alabama QB and a transfer DT that has never played in a college game is "transforming a program?"

What a joke of a post.

So firing a coach, actually making a better effort at recruiting, and increasing salaries as well as (IMO) bring in a better group of hires into Denton is a program transformation?

Oh ya, that's right.... Let's see a couple of paragraphs explaining why this program is going to fail under the watch of RV....

UNT90 · January 12, 2016

13 minutes ago, GreenTexan13 said:

So firing a coach, actually making a better effort at recruiting, and increasing salaries as well as (IMO) bring in a better group of hires into Denton is a program transformation?

Oh ya, that's right.... Let's see a couple of paragraphs explaining why this program is going to fail under the watch of RV....

In your opinion? I think we should wait and see if assistant salaries have been increased.

First time OC and first time HC? Zero proof of any upgrade. A better effort in recruiting? Anyone would have made a better effort because DMac wasn't recruiting. And we only know for certain of the 2 joining the program in my earlier post.

Just "rah rah we hired a new coach" bulsh with nothing to back it up.

We start finding out tomorrow on recruiting. The rest unfortunately will have to wait until September.

Edited January 12, 2016 by UNT90

UNTFan23 · January 12, 2016

7 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

In your opinion? I think we should wait and see if assistant salaries have been increased.

First time OC and first time HC? Zero proof of any upgrade. A better effort in recruiting? Anyone would have made a better effort because DMac wasn't recruiting. And we only know for certain if the 2 joining the program in my earlier post.

Just rah rah we hired a new coach bulsh with nothing to back it up.

We start finding out tomorrow on recruiting. The rest unfortunately will have to wait until September.

Because a head coach with previous experience worked out so well for us last time. If I remember, a lot of people outside the program said we had made a solid hire.

UNT90 · January 12, 2016

1 minute ago, UNTFan23 said:

Because a head coach with previous experience worked out so well for us last time. If I remember, a lot of people outside the program said we had made a solid hire.

A coach with a losing record. I remember many on this board expressed reservations, only to be shouted down by the rah rah crowd.

And anther P5 coach who was shocked at the challenges he faced at UNT.

We have no idea what Littrell is or isn't at this point. To say anything else is just buying into dumb hype and false hope.

UNTFan23 · January 12, 2016

Just now, UNT90 said:

A coach with a losing record. I remember many on this board expressed reservations, only to be shouted down by the rah rah crowd.

And anther P5 coach who was shocked at the challenges he faced at UNT.

We have no idea what Littrell is or isn't at this point. To say anything else is just buying into dumb hype and false hope.

You can't deny this but any hire is a crap shoot. You could take a coach who was winning at another program and he ends up falling flat on his face at the next program. Look what happened to June Jones. He was doing quite well at Hawaii and while he had some success at SMU, I think he was more of a failure than a success.

UNT90 · January 12, 2016

1 hour ago, UNTFan23 said:

You can't deny this but any hire is a crap shoot. You could take a coach who was winning at another program and he ends up falling flat on his face at the next program. Look what happened to June Jones. He was doing quite well at Hawaii and while he had some success at SMU, I think he was more of a failure than a success.

You can rest assured that any football hire by this AD will fail, because they all have. Littrell is facing a huge historical obstacle that he must overcome.

Edited January 12, 2016 by UNT90

oldguystudent · January 12, 2016

Bad season? This yellow journalistic hack has the temerity to claim we had a bad season? Hell, we're better than the national champion!

untjim1995 · January 12, 2016

11 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

You can't deny this but any hire is a crap shoot. You could take a coach who was winning at another program and he ends up falling flat on his face at the next program. Look what happened to June Jones. He was doing quite well at Hawaii and while he had some success at SMU, I think he was more of a failure than a success.

I don't think June Jones was a failure at all at SMU. He inherited a team that one won game (against us) the season before he got there. In his first year, they won one game, as well, but in each of the next 4 years, they went to a bowl game and won 3 of them. Yes, his last season plus went downhill, but if SMU fans think he was more of a failure than a success, that says more about their Football IQ than anything else.

When we hired McCarney, I thought it was a great move, just because we actually spent decent money on an experienced coach who had Hayden Fry's backing. We had gone decades since doing that, so it made us pony up more for a coach than we ever had before, which is why we can pay Littrell over three times what we paid Dodge in 2010. But the problem with McCarney was his stubborn approach to offense and his inability to get recruits to look at us as anything but a last resort. It literally killed Mac's spirit here--remember how much we loved hearing him give us something good to hear about our university and our program's future? That was gone after the HoD Bowl, when recruiting never picked up and all of the talent that Dodge had gotten here and just needed to be coached up by an actual college football staff finally left, it became apparent that this thing had no chance to end well--and it didn't. Was McCarney more of a failure than a success here? I would say yes, clearly, just because he had one good season out of the 4+ he was here and he left us with almost nothing in the cupboard and an incredibly all-time embarrassment loss to FCS Portland State--as in most embarrassing loss in the modern history of college football.

Littrell represents a lot of good things for this place--great roots, great pedigree, great values, and great play calling--but none of us have any idea if he knows how to build up a program and lead it, both on the field and off the field. We know that he is youthful and has some good young coaches on his staff to help him, which should help in recruiting, but we don't know if he can get Texas HS Coaches and recruits to look at UNT any differently than what they have when McCarney and Dodge were here as head coaches. We want him to and we think he can, but its possible that the many reasons we have documented before about our program are just too much even for him. And to a lot of us, the number one reason that we believe no one has been able to win here is because of the AD. And that AD isn't going anywhere until he wants to quit, retire, or until he dies. So we will continue getting articles, blogs, columns, etc...that basically say the same thing this one does from one of our "own", someone who is completely embarrassed of our program and has most likely gone on to be a lifelong fan to be of UT. Make no mistake about it, we have hundreds of thousands of alumni and students just like him, just without a media outlet.

UNT90 · January 12, 2016

16 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

I don't think June Jones was a failure at all at SMU. He inherited a team that one won game (against us) the season before he got there. In his first year, they won one game, as well, but in each of the next 4 years, they went to a bowl game and won 3 of them. Yes, his last season plus went downhill, but if SMU fans think he was more of a failure than a success, that says more about their Football IQ than anything else.

When we hired McCarney, I thought it was a great move, just because we actually spent decent money on an experienced coach who had Hayden Fry's backing. We had gone decades since doing that, so it made us pony up more for a coach than we ever had before, which is why we can pay Littrell over three times what we paid Dodge in 2010. But the problem with McCarney was his stubborn approach to offense and his inability to get recruits to look at us as anything but a last resort. It literally killed Mac's spirit here--remember how much we loved hearing him give us something good to hear about our university and our program's future? That was gone after the HoD Bowl, when recruiting never picked up and all of the talent that Dodge had gotten here and just needed to be coached up by an actual college football staff finally left, it became apparent that this thing had no chance to end well--and it didn't. Was McCarney more of a failure than a success here? I would say yes, clearly, just because he had one good season out of the 4+ he was here and he left us with almost nothing in the cupboard and an incredibly all-time embarrassment loss to FCS Portland State--as in most embarrassing loss in the modern history of college football.

Littrell represents a lot of good things for this place--great roots, great pedigree, great values, and great play calling--but none of us have any idea if he knows how to build up a program and lead it, both on the field and off the field. We know that he is youthful and has some good young coaches on his staff to help him, which should help in recruiting, but we don't know if he can get Texas HS Coaches and recruits to look at UNT any differently than what they have when McCarney and Dodge were here as head coaches. We want him to and we think he can, but its possible that the many reasons we have documented before about our program are just too much even for him. And to a lot of us, the number one reason that we believe no one has been able to win here is because of the AD. And that AD isn't going anywhere until he wants to quit, retire, or until he dies. So we will continue getting articles, blogs, columns, etc...that basically say the same thing this one does from one of our "own", someone who is completely embarrassed of our program and has most likely gone on to be a lifelong fan to be of UT. Make no mistake about it, we have hundreds of thousands of alumni and students just like him, just without a media outlet.

Spot on.

Green P1 · January 12, 2016

21 hours ago, UNT90 said:

the 17 can go have beers tonight with RV on the Square, and that's what really matters, isn't it?

Where on the square do you think the 17 would drink?

physics90 · January 12, 2016

1 hour ago, untjim1995 said:

I don't think June Jones was a failure at all at SMU. He inherited a team that one won game (against us) the season before he got there. In his first year, they won one game, as well, but in each of the next 4 years, they went to a bowl game and won 3 of them. Yes, his last season plus went downhill, but if SMU fans think he was more of a failure than a success, that says more about their Football IQ than anything else.

When we hired McCarney, I thought it was a great move, just because we actually spent decent money on an experienced coach who had Hayden Fry's backing. We had gone decades since doing that, so it made us pony up more for a coach than we ever had before, which is why we can pay Littrell over three times what we paid Dodge in 2010. But the problem with McCarney was his stubborn approach to offense and his inability to get recruits to look at us as anything but a last resort. It literally killed Mac's spirit here--remember how much we loved hearing him give us something good to hear about our university and our program's future? That was gone after the HoD Bowl, when recruiting never picked up and all of the talent that Dodge had gotten here and just needed to be coached up by an actual college football staff finally left, it became apparent that this thing had no chance to end well--and it didn't. Was McCarney more of a failure than a success here? I would say yes, clearly, just because he had one good season out of the 4+ he was here and he left us with almost nothing in the cupboard and an incredibly all-time embarrassment loss to FCS Portland State--as in most embarrassing loss in the modern history of college football.

Littrell represents a lot of good things for this place--great roots, great pedigree, great values, and great play calling--but none of us have any idea if he knows how to build up a program and lead it, both on the field and off the field. We know that he is youthful and has some good young coaches on his staff to help him, which should help in recruiting, but we don't know if he can get Texas HS Coaches and recruits to look at UNT any differently than what they have when McCarney and Dodge were here as head coaches. We want him to and we think he can, but its possible that the many reasons we have documented before about our program are just too much even for him. And to a lot of us, the number one reason that we believe no one has been able to win here is because of the AD. And that AD isn't going anywhere until he wants to quit, retire, or until he dies. So we will continue getting articles, blogs, columns, etc...that basically say the same thing this one does from one of our "own", someone who is completely embarrassed of our program and has most likely gone on to be a lifelong fan to be of UT. Make no mistake about it, we have hundreds of thousands of alumni and students just like him, just without a media outlet.

Double spot on