Got A Guess How Many Years The New Coach Gets?

[FirefightnRick]

 

 

As we know...every recent top three sport hire not named Jalie got 5 years, hamstringing this program with a larger buy out than there ever should be.  Our grand negotiator said...."No coach worth his salt would ever come to North Texas for less than 5 years".

Hat tip to Fury of the M&G...but considering USC just hired Clay Helton for 3 years with an option for two more, what's your guess that our guy gets....4,5...6 years?

Rick

 

Edited November 30, 2015 by FirefightnRick

[NorthTexan95]

If you're talking about the USC coach, Pat Haden said it was a 5 year deal.  Don't know why it was originally reported as 3. 

[Eagle-96]

Contract should be for 4 years with a hefty buyout clause if he leaves. If we have, by all accounts, 2 coaches that both want to be here then asking for a $500K buyout if the coach leaves for a P5 isn't too much to ask.

[EagleMBA]

I consider Helton a special case, just like DD would be if Memphis wants to keep him. I see a disturbing trend emerging this hiring season in that most of the deals that have been announced have been 6 years...6 friggin years!  FFR asked a question and my response to it today will be 5 years. That has pretty much been SOP historically in our set of circumstances.

[FirefightnRick]

If you're talking about the USC coach, Pat Haden said it was a 5 year deal.  Don't know why it was originally reported as 3. 

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/sports/2015/11/30/76567532/

 

USAToday

USC named Clay Helton its permanent head coach Monday. The Trojans signed Helton to a three-year contract with a two-year option to extend the deal to five years, reports ESPN's Brett McMurphy.

 

 

 

 

Rick

Edited November 30, 2015 by FirefightnRick

[MeanGreenDan]

Hat tip to Fury of the M&G...but considering USC just hired Clay Helton for 3 years with an option for two more, what's your guess that our guy gets....4,5...6 years?

This was reported in error.  He got 5 years guaranteed. 

[NorthTexan95]

 

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/sports/2015/11/30/76567532/

Rick

http://footballscoop.com/the-scoop/

USC: Pat Haden says Clay Helton’s agreement is 5 years. Guaranteed. That’s better.

[FirefightnRick]

ESPN: Minnesota Hires Tracy Claeys to a 3 year contract.

 

Rick

[Ben Gooding]

4 years. Not a second more. Low pay with massive incentives. 650k base with 850k in incentives per year. Let him coach his way to a 1.5M salary. Otherwise,  he makes 650k a year for 3 years and we're at square 1 after a 1 year buyout. 

[Cr1028]

ESPN: Minnesota Hires Tracy Claeys to a 3 year contract.

 

Rick

Not the same deal. Interim. Some on this board were talking about a contract like this for Chico when the team was looking a little better. Minnesota doesn't have to put up as much to get Claeys  because he is already there and there is no bidding war for his services.

[Aldo]

Our grand negotiator said...."No coach worth his salt would ever come to North Texas for less than 5 years".

 

5 years

[Eagle-96]

The only leverage we have is playing the two candidates off of each other and that could backfire into having zero candidates if we aren't careful. 4 or 5 years will be the contract length with 5 being the most likely. We are a bottom of the barrel G5 with 2 outstanding coaches who want to be here. Let's not parlay this into Bruce Chambers because we are stubborn on 1 year.

[UNTLifer]

12?

[FirefightnRick]

Remember now.....no coach.....any coach....would dare take our job for for less than 5 years...especially LESS THAN 3   like Illinois' Bill Cubit agreed to work for last Saturday.

 

Rick

Edited November 30, 2015 by FirefightnRick

[MeanGreenTexan]

Anything less than a 5-yr deal shows that one side (or the other) is not very committed.

[untjim1995]

I don't care how long it is--3 years, 5 years, or 7 years...just buy the damn thing out like you just did with McCarney when it becomes obvious that the guy isn't going to turn things around.

I'll say something great about the UNT 17--they proved that they won't let buyouts get in the way anymore, like we always did before when we only had the university funding things. So, from that point, going forward, they have made it clear that there won't be anymore Bumfords or Todd Dodges drawing checks for an extra year or two beyond when they should. Because otherwise, it would just look rather hypocritical to not accept Mac's failure, while continuing to accept the failures of coaches like we have endured for most of the last 20 years.

If you cannot buy it out, don't offer it...

[rcade]

It's a shame that 3-year deals aren't more common. That makes a hell of a lot more sense for a G5 school than 5.

[FirefightnRick]

It's a shame that 3-year deals aren't more common. That makes a hell of a lot more sense for a G5 school than 5.

Oh it's probably more common than we're led to believe but it's hard to prove because most terms are not reported.

When RV told me that after giving Benford his first head coaching job I researched it and found nearly 1/5th of the basketball hires from like..2006 to 2012????..that actually reported the information did so for 4 years or less, including the UNLV coach who actually signed for 3.

So who knows?  I just realized long ago that when it comes to negotiations our guy never has the best interest of North Texas in mind.

Rick

[H-towngreen]

Lifetime contract....same as the AD

[UNTLifer]

9?

[GrayEagle]

Remember now.....no coach.....any coach....would dare take our job for for less than 5 years...especially LESS THAN 3   like Illinois' Bill Cubit agreed to work for last Saturday.

 

Rick

Cubit became the interim coach at the beginning of the year.  He received a two-year extension of that contract.  

[FirefightnRick]

Not the same deal. Interim. Some on this board were talking about a contract like this for Chico when the team was looking a little better. Minnesota doesn't have to put up as much to get Claeys  because he is already there and there is no bidding war for his services.

Interim or not doesn't matter.  The narrative we've been getting sold around here for years is that no coach worth his salt would come here for less than 5 years because he/she won't be able to recruit well because it is believed that recruits just won't want to play for a coach that isn't under a guarantee thru his/her time here.

That's a rediculous assumption.  And now we know that in the past two or three days...at least 2 major programs..possibly 3... don't believe that is a factor at all since their interims-to-permanent coaches are only going to be around for the next 3 years or less.  

 

Rick

 

[greenjoe]

Some in the Athletic Department should get 10 years to life.

[FirefightnRick]

Cubit became the interim coach at the beginning of the year.  He received a two-year extension of that contract.  

Yes I understand that.  

So according to RV now.....Illinois won't be able to recruit well because from this week forward recruits won't sign with them since Cubit is only guaranteed to be around till 2017.

A rediculous assumption.

 

Rick

[untjim1995]

Interim or not doesn't matter.  The narrative we've been getting sold around here for years is that no coach worth his salt would come here for less than 5 years because he/she won't be able to recruit well because it is believed that recruits just won't want to play for a coach that isn't under a guarantee thru his/her time here.

That's a rediculous assumption.  And now we know that in the past two or three days...at least 2 major programs..possibly 3... don't believe that is a factor at all since their interims-to-permanent coaches are only going to be around for the next 3 years or less.  

 

Rick

 

I want to see that coach who looks at the previous 21 years of suck around here and decides, "Yeah, I'll go there for a three-year contract." If you find that coach, I'd be the first to tell him that he was a colossal dumbass for accepting that deal. Those other P5 programs you mentioned don't have the worst program in America right now. They are giving coordinators a shot because they know the current players and are willing to see if they can keep it going. If not, they'll buy them out on the spot.

At a school like ours, that basically offers football because they feel like they have to (like we are an ISD), with the worst AD in the country, whoever comes here is going to need 3 years just to try and build us up to something NEAR .500 because of how far down we are right now. Guaranteeing that coach 5 years of salary, knowing that there are folks out there who have proven they will buyout a contract over $2 million dollars when necessary, gives me pause for thinking its acceptable.

Think of it in these terms, FFR. Would you come here to coach, with RV as your boss, with a 3-year contract, at a place that is 65-118 under said AD's "leadership and vision"? Especially when almost every other G5 job offers 5 years? Agents aren't stupid--they know that their job is to get the best deal for their client. And any of the guys we are talking about can get solid money at a top level P5 job as a coordinator at these large public schools until a job opens up that will give them the terms they want--and none of them are the worst program in America right now. Hell, Cumbie going to UT would get paid damn near what Meacham will probably make here as the HC.

Offer what can be bought out--and the UNT 17 have already proven they will do just that. Surely they wouldn't start being hypocritical NOW about losing in a revenue sport that they are funding and basically controlling with RV as their puppet?