Skip Holtz example

casual fan · November 12, 2015

Hayden Fry had a losing record at SMU before having a winning record here. One example of how you should factor in special circumstances in a coaches record.

I will concede there is an exception to every rule.

Fry went 5-5-1 his 1st season and 2-7-2 his second in the Missouri Valley Conference with loses to UT Arlington, Lamar, West Texas A&M, Long Beach State and ties with Drake and Wichita State.

I'm not sure in today's climate that he would be given the chance for a 3rd season. After UNT got out of the MVC, he did have 4 really good years.

Hire a coach with a losing record who stumbles out of the gate like that today and see what happens.

After McCarney, try and sell another coach with a losing record to UNT fans and see how well that goes down.

Mike Jackson · November 12, 2015

I just laugh when I see my fair minded comments disliked. If you don't take into account the condition of a program before the young hot shot DC or OC arrived you are fools. An OC or DC used to coming into situations where he had quality talent already there for him is not a good predictor of how he will do at UNT as head coach. The guys are going to arrive here with limited talent on this roster. These guys know this and if they are currently at a program were they had a long history of getting quality recruits that is a better situation more stable position than UNT. It is a bad career risk for these guys and they know this. Not to mention many other issues UNT has that other jobs available won't have. We are going to get an under the radar candidate that probably has barely been mentioned this forum. And if he doesn't have head coaching experience and doesn't have experience on staff that turned a losing program into a winning one don't be surprised if blows up in our faces. Simply put any head coach coming here needs experience rather it be as head coach or assistant turning a loser into a winner because that is what we are expecting him to do here. So dislike that if you want but it doesn't change the fact that perfectly logical thought process.