MGB: Villarreal -- "We have things we need to finish here"

UNT90 · October 20, 2015

She was he for one year. Took us from the football equivalent of 0-12 to the football equivalent of 6-6. SHE GOT HIRED AWAY!!! If she had stayed she would've undoubtedly had us a winning season which is why she was HIRED AWAY by the WEALTHIEST PROGRAM IN THE NATION!!

If Dan McCarney would have been given 2016, we would have won 8 games.

See how making illogical leaps works?

Oh, and she was hired away for what she had done in her career previous and because of close ties to UT, not because of what she did here.

Edited October 20, 2015 by UNT90

MeanGreenTexan · October 20, 2015

She was he for one year. Took us from the football equivalent of 0-12 to the football equivalent of 6-6. SHE GOT HIRED AWAY!!! If she had stayed she would've undoubtedly had us a winning season which is why she was HIRED AWAY by the WEALTHIEST PROGRAM IN THE NATION!!

If Dan McCarney would have been given 2016, we would have won 8 games.
See how making illogical leaps works?
Oh, and she was hired away for what she had done in her career previous and because of close ties to UT, not because of what she did here.

Folks saying that Aston was a bad hire because of her 15-16 record after taking over a horrendous team are just trying to add an additional log to the "bad hire" fire that needs no help raging uncontrollably. Just leave her out. Her inclusion is not necessary.

First, what she did in her 1 season with what she was left with was pretty incredible. Plus, her recruiting was pretty awesome too... except they all left after Peterson's 1st year was so terrible.
Second of all, UNT90, you cannot draw that same line. McCarney was clearly on a downward trend. Aston was on an upward trend.
Thirdly, why do her reasons for leaving matter? The fact is, she left UNT to take over for UT. Isn't that what we're looking for ALL of our coaches to do?

flyonthewall · October 20, 2015

If Dan McCarney would have been given 2016, we would have won 8 games.
See how making illogical leaps works?
Oh, and she was hired away for what she had done in her career previous and because of close ties to UT, not because of what she did here.

my favorite unt90 move the "if then " statement, this time followed by the reason rv doesn't get any credit. Aka "rv sucks"

I have one..if Johnny Jones would've stayed, we would have won 11 games in football that year. He left, and "rv sucks

See how illogical works.

UNT90 · October 20, 2015

my favorite unt90 move the "if then " statement, this time followed by the reason rv doesn't get any credit. Aka "rv sucks"
I have one..if Johnny Jones would've stayed, we would have won 11 games in football that year. He left, and "rv sucks
See how illogical works.

Thank you for making my point. I actually said just the opposite. Aston is a hire that was here one year and finished 15-16. Anything else is speculation.

Her record indicates she was an average hire. Nothing more, nothing less.

And as far as games, let's look at one of your favorite, crediting Aston with a great improvement while defending Benford's great dismantle of the basketball team. Now there is some consistency.

Cr1028 · October 20, 2015

It's pretty clear that RV doesn't have any standards attached to his job security.
The amazing thing is RV fires Mac for 2 years of poor job performance, but doesn't have the self awareness to understand it's the height of hypocrisy for a guy with 10 years of miserable job performance to fire a guy with 2 years of miserable job performance.

It isn't the same thing. Mac's sole job is to win football games. RV's job entails much more than just hiring football and basketball coaches.

UNTFan23 · October 20, 2015

There are plenty of programs out there that struggle to catch lightning in a bottle (make a good coaching hire). It's more about luck than anything else.

Aldo · October 20, 2015

It isn't the same thing. Mac's sole job is to win football games. RV's job entails much more than just hiring football and basketball coaches.

RV's job entails much more than just building and fundraising

UNT90 · October 20, 2015

It isn't the same thing. Mac's sole job is to win football games. RV's job entails much more than just hiring football and basketball coaches.

scheduling football games?

not alienating long term fans when issuing season tickets for a new stadium?

effectively running a ticket office?

Not openly and outrageously lying to the fan base on multiple occasions about scheduling football games?

Firing a basketball coach when it is clear he is a complete disaster (and not waiting until 3 years later to do it).?

Increasing MGC donations?

Imoroving the overall perception of UNT athletics?

Fail

And I could continue. The only thing he can point to are facilities that had to be built if we were going to continue in FBS. Even then, it's a fair argument that the stadium, the most important piece, got built in spite of him, not because of him.

But by all means, keep on losing. A lot of us won't be here to see it.

Aldo · October 20, 2015

Not sure how we can get the RV supporters to understand:

He does some of his job well vis a vis infrastructure improvements.
He doesn't improve MGC numbers.
He doesn't improve season ticket numbers
He hasn't had winning programs in the Big $3
His scheduling has been poor

Why won't big donors question that? The next time they have lunch with him, ask, hey bruh, what's up with dem MGC numbers? We expect better. It's your job to raise money, RV, not us donors.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Aldo

Cr1028 · October 20, 2015

If Dan McCarney would have been given 2016, we would have won 8 games.
See how making illogical leaps works?
Oh, and she was hired away for what she had done in her career previous and because of close ties to UT, not because of what she did here.

You are so bitter that your brain is not functioning. From 5-25 to 15-16 actually happened. You don't think she would've improved upon 15-16 after the drastic improvement she had on 5-25? How is one more win illogical? And no, Dan McCarney would not have won 8 game in 2016 unless Trice, Lemon, and Dodge's last recruiting class were given their quadruple redshirt senior seasons.

UNT90 · October 20, 2015

There are plenty of programs out there that struggle to catch lightning in a bottle (make a good coaching hire). It's more about luck than anything else.

Lol. RV has just been unlucky 9 times out of 10.

Next time he should just flip a coin, eh?

Such a loser mentality soaked completely through this fan base and RV's friends.

You are so bitter that your brain is not functioning. From 5-25 to 15-16 actually happened. You don't think she would've improved upon 15-16 after the drastic improvement she had on 5-25? How is one more win illogical? And no, Dan McCarney would not have won 8 game in 2016 unless Trice, Lemon, and Dodge's last recruiting class were given their quadruple redshirt senior seasons.

By that argument, we should have gone undefeated in football on 2014. I mean, we went from 4-8 to 9-4 the previous 2 years, right?

So stupid.

Cr1028 · October 20, 2015

Thank you for making my point. I actually said just the opposite. Aston is a hire that was here one year and finished 15-16. Anything else is speculation.
Her record indicates she was an average hire. Nothing more, nothing less.
And as far as games, let's look at one of your favorite, crediting Aston with a great improvement while defending Benford's great dismantle of the basketball team. Now there is some consistency.

So you're saying she was a bad hire for NT but a good hire for UT?

Cerebus · October 20, 2015

Lol. RV has just been unlucky 9 times out of 10.

Hiring is either a skill based activity, or it is luck based.

If it is luck based then we can save a lot of money by not paying anyone to do it, let's just take all the applicants, dump them in a 50 gallon drum, then have the homecoming royalty pull the name of the next coach out of the drum at halftime.

If it is skill based, and I strongly believe it is, you have to judge people on their hiring history.

Cr1028 · October 20, 2015

By that argument, we should have gone undefeated in football on 2014. I mean, we went from 4-8 to 9-4 the previous 2 years, right?
So stupid.

Ugh no, going from 5-25 to 15-16 and then onto 16-15 is not a tremendous leap.

You are so bitter that your brain is not functioning. From 5-25 to 15-16 actually happened. You don't think she would've improved upon 15-16 after the drastic improvement she had on 5-25? How is one more win illogical? And no, Dan McCarney would not have won 8 game in 2016 unless Trice, Lemon, and Dodge's last recruiting class were given their quadruple redshirt senior seasons.

She was here for one year. Took us from the football equivalent of 0-12 to the football equivalent of 6-6. SHE GOT HIRED AWAY!!! If she had stayed she would've undoubtedly had us a winning season which is why she was HIRED AWAY by the WEALTHIEST PROGRAM IN THE NATION!!

You can't even think straight at this point.

UNT90 · October 20, 2015

So you're saying she was a bad hire for NT but a good hire for UT?

I'm saying she was a neutral hire for UNT and a good hire for UT.

We don't have the resources UT has. Saying that she would have been as successful here as she has been at UT is lunacy.

VideoEagle · October 20, 2015

Hiring is either a skill based activity, or it is luck based.
If it is luck based then we can save a lot of money by not paying anyone to do it, let's just take all the applicants, dump them in a 50 gallon drum, then have the homecoming royalty pull the name of the next coach out of the drum at halftime.
If it is skill based, and I strongly believe it is, you have to judge people on their hiring history.

I think there is an element of luck. If you make bad decisions, you will likely get bad hires. But even if you make what should be good decisions, you can still end up with what turn out to be bad hires. There are too many variables in the results of a football team to pin everything on a single hiring decision.

MeanGreenTexan · October 20, 2015

Lol. RV has just been unlucky 9 times out of 10.
Next time he should just flip a coin, eh?
Such a loser mentality soaked completely through this fan base and RV's friends.
By that argument, we should have gone undefeated in football on 2014. I mean, we went from 4-8 to 9-4 the previous 2 years, right?
So stupid.

And, as has been hashed out here for the past 2 years, after that 2014 senior class left, McCarney was left with his own guys... who weren't as good. His recruiting was not up to par... So, NO.

Now, I think we would have been able to expect a winning season out of Aston in year two, just from the Freshman class she brought in. Probably the best class we've seen for WBB in quite some time.

Cr1028 · October 20, 2015

I'm saying she was a neutral hire for UNT and a good hire for UT.
We don't have the resources UT has. Saying that she would have been as successful here as she has been at UT is lunacy.

If that is the case then how can you say ANYONE would be successful here?

I didn't say she would take us to the sweet 16 and win 24 games, I simply said she would've won more games here in her second season than she lost.

UNT90 · October 20, 2015

I think there is an element of luck. If you make bad decisions, you will likely get bad hires. But even if you make what should be good decisions, you can still end up with what turn out to be bad hires. There are too many variables in the results of a football team to pin everything on a single hiring decision.

No way to say that. Period. Just like Fly said, just because you want it to be so doesn't make it that way.

What was our record that next year with those great players, anyway?

Cerebus · October 20, 2015

I think there is an element of luck. If you make bad decisions, you will likely get bad hires. But even if you make what should be good decisions, you can still end up with what turn out to be bad hires. There are too many variables in the results of a football team to pin everything on a single hiring decision.

Of course there is chaos (luck) in everything. including hires. However luck is just a small factor. If you are saying it's the over riding factor then it's not skill based, and we should draw names out of that 50 gallon drum. The AD has a track record, and the hires in the revenue sports have been bad.

If that is the case then how can you say ANYONE would be successful here?

Different coaches have different skill sets. There are coaches who can survive and thrive at a school with limited resources and those that have. The hires we have had in the last decade or so do not seem to be the kind that thrive in our environment. I don't doubt that if Coach Mac had been named head coach at Florida he would have done much better, the name of the school alone would draw in the athletes that could get them to six wins every year.

Army of Dad · October 20, 2015

If that is the case then how can you say ANYONE would be successful here?
I didn't say she would take us to the sweet 16 and win 24 games, I simply said she would've won more games here in her second season than she lost.

RV's three WBB hires that have actually coached games here breakdown as two disasters and one incomplete, but leaning positive.

His two football hires both negative and only 2013 mitigates what might feasibly be considered two disastrous hires.

RV got lucky with JJ and full credit to him for doing that, but that is also mitigated by the Benford disaster.

That puts him at 1-5-1 in coaching hires and 0-fer in the last decade.

Thats just awful and I'm not sure how that record can be defended.

Green Dozer · October 20, 2015

Our site learned he wasn't going to be back next year and I was just sharing information. Did it get retweeted a bunch of times? No. Did it make headlines? No. Letsche from 1310 questioned it until after the game when he heard reports saying it was going down.

A little testy and defensive here? I don't believe I attacked your decision to tweet the firing, simply asked why you did it, and really wanted to leave it at that. So, since you took it a step further and tried to make like it was no big deal and no harm done, here is what I think. It was irresponsible on your part to do this, especially since every UNT fan was aware of the problems this team was and is having. Whether it was re-tweeted 1 time or 1K times does not make a wrong a right. Congrats on your big scoop!

BillySee58 · October 20, 2015

RV's three WBB hires that have actually coached games here breakdown as two disasters and one incomplete, but leaning positive.
His two football hires both negative and only 2013 mitigates what might feasibly be considered two disastrous hires.
RV got lucky with JJ and full credit to him for doing that, but that is also mitigated by the Benford disaster.
That puts him at 1-5-1 in coaching hires and 0-fer in the last decade.
Thats just awful and I'm not sure how that record can be defended.

Very well laid out point. The body of work is awful and there really is no legitimate proof to the contrary. At no other university would this fly, unless they didn't take sports seriously (like 90 likes to say).

Mean_Green09 · October 20, 2015

A little testy and defensive here? I don't believe I attacked your decision to tweet the firing, simply asked why you did it, and really wanted to leave it at that. So, since you took it a step further and tried to make like it was no big deal and no harm done, here is what I think. It was irresponsible on your part to do this, especially since every UNT fan was aware of the problems this team was and is having. Whether it was re-tweeted 1 time or 1K times does not make a wrong a right. Congrats on your big scoop!

Didn't think I was defensive at all in responding to you. Did I attach #Breaking or tweet it to ESPN? No I didnt.

Not sure what harm I did.

In no way do I see it as irresponsible. My sources were certain it was going to happen so I tweeted what I did. Look I had information dating back to the Iowa game that McCarney was likely to be gone. I waited till it was a sure thing and said what I said.

What I did was not wrong.

If I were to go about tweeting every bit of info that I receive without checking into it now that would be wrong an irresponsible.

Green Dozer · October 20, 2015

Didn't think I was defensive at all in responding to you. Did I attach #Breaking or tweet it to ESPN? No I didnt.
Not sure what harm I did.
In no way do I see it as irresponsible. My sources were certain it was going to happen so I tweeted what I did. Look I had information dating back to the Iowa game that McCarney was likely to be gone. I waited till it was a sure thing and said what I said.
What I did was not wrong.
If I were to go about tweeting every bit of info that I receive without checking into it now that would be wrong an irresponsible.

Now you are trying to say it was ok because you didn't "#" anything. Who cares what "hashtag" you put in your tweet! And no where did I question the authenticity of your information, just your timing in releasing it. Game day was not the time. Players on the team saw it, that is why I think you breaking it on game day was a poor decision. And if you if you think it was no big deal, then why is it not still in your twitter feed? If I missed, I apologize.