Coach Mac Status

greenit · October 18, 2015

I spoke with a coaching friend of Coach Mac this weekend and asked about his status. I have no way of knowing if this is true, but he said that Coach Mac was not bought out, but essentially reassigned. Next year he will have responsibilities to the university. He thought Mac was headed back to Iowa for the time being and thought after a year, he would move on to something else (which implied the contract would be terminated and end the financial responsibilities for UNT).

Has anyone else heard anything to this effect?

oldguystudent · October 18, 2015

This speculation should get delicious. Insert popcorn.gif here.

UNT90 · October 18, 2015

Don't care.

FirefightnRick · October 18, 2015

That's actually a smart move and one I've suggested we use for Benford for years now. It also means we will probably give Chico a one year interim interview for the job before hiring a permanant coach?

Interesting.

Rick

greenit · October 18, 2015

Go back and look at the wording of the announcement. Did it say fired, bought out, or removed?

James329 · October 18, 2015

Interim AD?

Mean Green 93-98 · October 18, 2015

It also means we will probably give Chico a one year interim interview for the job before hiring a permanant coach?

I don't follow. Coach Mac still has a few years left on his contract, Coach Chico's is up after this year. Why would we sign him to additional one-year contract to be interim?

DeepGreen · October 18, 2015

In typical UNT fashion, this could turn into a cluster f....

Ben Gooding · October 18, 2015

In typical UNT fashion, this could turn into a cluster f....

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jacksondf · October 18, 2015

I think Mac would be great in some role in the Athletic department. Especially one that interacts with the public. Classy guy.

GrandGreen · October 18, 2015

You don't want someone you have terminated anywhere close to the program. Re-assignment is usually just a negotiation ploy that should at least save a few dollars. No one wants to hang around a place that just removed him from coaching duties.

BillySee58 · October 18, 2015

That's actually a smart move and one I've suggested we use for Benford for years now. It also means we will probably give Chico a one year interim interview for the job before hiring a permanant coach?

Interesting.

Rick

I disagree. You aren't going to be able to recruit anyone knowing the coach is on a one-year contract. There are plenty of good options available. We don't need Benford or Mccarney retained in any capacity. Let's just hire good coaches for once.

foutsrouts · October 19, 2015

I disagree. You aren't going to be able to recruit anyone knowing the coach is on a one-year contract. There are plenty of good options available. We don't need Benford or Mccarney retained in any capacity. Let's just hire good coaches for once.

I still don't think that we can afford that, so we need to convince all of them to get real jobs, by having them do something along the line of scrubbing Fouts urinals until they just can't take it anymore.

FirefightnRick · October 19, 2015

I disagree. You aren't going to be able to recruit anyone knowing the coach is on a one-year contract. There are plenty of good options available.

Sure.....I mean..Portland State's recruiting class this past year had to be just flat out terrible knowing that, right?

And I agree with the last part...there are plenty of good options available.

Rick

BillySee58 · October 19, 2015

Sure.....I mean..Portland State's recruiting class this past year had to be just flat out terrible knowing that, right?
And I agree with the last part...there are plenty of good options available.

Rick

Portland State isn't winning with a bunch of class of 2015 freshman. They're transfer heavy. And for the 2016 class, they made their move to extend their coach before the current season ended. Because they're an FCS school they actually don't have to do much recruiting prior to December, which is after they would've locked him up or chosen to go with a new coach.

We do actually have to do a substantial amount of recruiting before December, despite what Mccarney was trying to lead people to believe. We also actually need to recruit high school kids, who wouldn't want to sign to play for a coach who may be before their first semester ends. Very different situations, and not really an applicable comparison.

BillySee58 · October 19, 2015

I still don't think that we can afford that, so we need to convince all of them to get real jobs, by having them do something along the line of scrubbing Fouts urinals until they just can't take it anymore.

Benford will only have one more season on his contract after this one. I don't think Mccarney would've been bought out if RV's buddies couldn't pay the buyout money. So tired of choosing between paying a hefty buyout and losing thousands in ticket revenue and more games than we win.

FirefightnRick · October 19, 2015

Portland State isn't winning with a bunch of class of 2015 freshman. They're transfer heavy. And for the 2016 class, they made their move to extend their coach before the current season ended. Because they're an FCS school they actually don't have to do much recruiting prior to December, which is after they would've locked him up or chosen to go with a new coach.
We do actually have to do a substantial amount of recruiting before December, despite what Mccarney was trying to lead people to believe. We also actually need to recruit high school kids, who wouldn't want to sign to play for a coach who may be before their first semester ends. Very different situations, and not really an applicable comparison.

Everyone has transfers. But if they have any who transferred in last year or this year who started this season..(I'm not going to research it) they did so knowing the guy driving the bus was sitting in a hot seat.

They are in a hell of a tougher recruiting situation than we ever will be,.. yet somehow found kids willing to enroll and play for a losing program for two coaches with questionable futures.

I just don't buy it that a coach "must have x amount of years left on his contract before a recruit signs"....is the be all end all. If that were the case then there wouldn't be walk-ons willing to go through the hell of training camp...AND pay for it out of their pocket with zero guarantee they'll see a dime of ship money or even suit up.

Rick

Edited October 19, 2015 by FirefightnRick

BillySee58 · October 19, 2015

Everyone has transfers. But if they have any who transferred in last year or this year who started this season..(I'm not going to research it) they did so knowing the guy driving the bus was sitting in a hot seat.
They are in a hell of a tougher recruiting situation than we ever will be,.. yet somehow found kids willing to enroll and play for a losing program for two coaches with questionable futures.
I just don't buy it that a coach "must have x amount of years left on his contract before a recruit signs"....is the be all end all. If that were the case then there wouldn't be walk-ons willing to go through the hell of training camp...AND pay for it out of their pocket with zero guarantee they'll see a dime of ship money or even suit up.

Rick

If it's a preferred walk on then it is guaranteed they will suit up. If it's not a preferred walkon then they didn't have any other offers and they just want to play for a division 1 school. That's why they go through camp.

You don't have to buy it, but we're not getting anyone who has offers from schools with decent recruiting coaches. Coaches will say "why would you go there? That coach's contract will be up before you get there." It's not an end all be all if it's a coach entering the final years of his contract, you're just going to have to wait until the season is over to gain any traction in recruiting. That's a much bigger deal in FBS than FCS. Should've just actually made a hire in the first place, in that case.

And again, this Portland State comparison, they signed a very small class of 2015. It's not like he brought in a bunch of studs and they make up the entire starting lineup that's winning games. Dude has just coached them up well.

KingDL1 · October 19, 2015

The Portland HC said he does not give scholarships to High School students he only gives them to transfers. He is picking up people up and down the west coast. The transfers don't have to sit out a year.

FirefightnRick · October 19, 2015

You don't have to buy it, but we're not getting anyone who has offers from schools with decent recruiting coaches. Coaches will say "why would you go there? That coach's contract will be up before you get there."

We had god's gift to "skins on the wall" to recruit here from 2011 to 2014 with plenty of contract behind him and we're swirling in the toilet.

Were we to ever get into a recruiting war with anyone else...(almost funny to imagine now)..our coaching contract situation would be so far below Portland State 66-North Texas 7......that I can't imagine there's anything else a competitor could say that could be worse?

Dickey and Dodge had some really lousy facilities to deal with and a lower budget to work with and they out recruited Mac all day long,..finding good athletes, many unwanted by hardly anyone else.

Hell...Larry Coker first convinced a bunch of kids to play for him without facilities or even a season to play for and they never lost to our "Skins On The Wall".

Rick

GrandGreen · October 19, 2015

Damn, NT should have really cleaned up in recruiting the year before last with a bowl win and a HC with a brand new 5 year contract.

Is someone really trying to imply that Portland State has a big advantage in recruiting over any G5 program? I don't remember NT when they were in IAA just oozing with talent. I hardly think the fact that fb division transfers don't have set out a year overcomes a 20 scholarship deficit, huge resource disadvantage, and the almost total disregard by the public toward lower division football.

No one knows at this point, if NT does even have a recruiting disadvantage. All we know is that McCarney and staff didn't get done. I am not sure Dickey, Simon, and Dodge even count because they did have substantial issues recruiting against anyone because of the remoteness of the conference, lack of facilities, and lack of overall resources.

adman · October 19, 2015

I spoke with a coaching friend of Coach Mac this weekend and asked about his status. I have no way of knowing if this is true, but he said that Coach Mac was not bought out, but essentially reassigned. Next year he will have responsibilities to the university. He thought Mac was headed back to Iowa for the time being and thought after a year, he would move on to something else (which implied the contract would be terminated and end the financial responsibilities for UNT).
Has anyone else heard anything to this effect?

To bring this thread back around to the original post/question - This is laughable. Even here. I'll wager you one Beth Marie's double scoop on a cone this is not the case. I like a scoop of vanilla and a scoop of chocolate. (Im a simple man.)

BillySee58 · October 19, 2015

We had god's gift to "skins on the wall" to recruit here from 2011 to 2014 with plenty of contract behind him and we're swirling in the toilet.
Were we to ever get into a recruiting war with anyone else...(almost funny to imagine now)..our coaching contract situation would be so far below Portland State 66-North Texas 7......that I can't imagine there's anything else a competitor could say that could be worse?
Dickey and Dodge had some really lousy facilities to deal with and a lower budget to work with and they out recruited Mac all day long,..finding good athletes, many unwanted by hardly anyone else.
Hell...Larry Coker first convinced a bunch of kids to play for him without facilities or even a season to play for and they never lost to our "Skins On The Wall".

Rick

I'm not seeing how your points are connected. I said it would be incredibly difficult to win recruiting battles for kids with everyone knowing you'd be on a one-year deal. You're example to the contrary is that Mccarney struggled recruiting despite having 4 years left in his contract.

I didn't say any coach can bring in killer classes as long as they have years left in their deal. Mccarney was an awful recruiting head coach no matter how many years he had left in his deal. I also don't know what Dickey or Dodge out recruiting Mccarney despite having lousy facilities has anything to do with what I said about how hard it would be to recruit on a one-year deal, which is the only thing I'm arguing here. Or Larry Coker.

They're completely unrelated points. They don't disprove that it would be incredibly difficult to win recruiting battles with a coach on a one-year deal. Neither did Barnum. He won mainly with players already on the roster and a roughly 13-player signing class of 2015, with very minimal recruiting battle victories.

Is someone really trying to imply that Portland State has a big advantage in recruiting over any G5 program?

Who? In what post?

Edited October 19, 2015 by BillySee58

FirefightnRick · October 19, 2015

I'm not seeing how your points are connected. I said it would be incredibly difficult to win recruiting battles for kids with everyone knowing you'd be on a one-year deal. You're example to the contrary is that Mccarney struggled recruiting despite having 4 years left in his contract.
I didn't say any coach can bring in killer classes as long as they have years left in their deal. Mccarney was an awful recruiting head coach no matter how many years he had left in his deal. I also don't know what Dickey or Dodge out recruiting Mccarney despite having lousy facilities has anything to do with what I said about how hard it would be to recruit on a one-year deal, which is the only thing I'm arguing here. Or Larry Coker.
They're completely unrelated points. They don't disprove that it would be incredibly difficult to win recruiting battles with a coach on a one-year deal. Neither did Barnum. He won mainly with players already on the roster and a roughly 13-player signing class of 2015, with very minimal recruiting battle victories.

Who? In what post?

My point is it's not any more difficult for a coach to recruit here with a one year contract than it would be with a multi year contract.

Are there going to be challenges? Sure. But not any worse than it already is.

Look at it this way. If they are going to allow RV to hire the next guy..committee or no committee, then they might as well hire Canales full time for one interim year or more and save some cash. He can't be any worse than the splash hire RV and company are bound to roll out there.

Rick

BillySee58 · October 19, 2015

My point is it's not any more difficult for a coach to recruit here with a one year contract than it would be with a multi year contract.
Are there going to be challenges? Sure. But not any worse than it already is.
Look at it this way. If they are going to allow RV to hire the next guy..committee or no committee, then they might as well hire Canales full time for one interim year or more and save some cash. He can't be any worse than the splash hire RV and company are bound to roll out there.

Rick

Right, but if that's the point you're trying to prove then Dickey and Dodge recruiting better than Mccarney despite having lesser facilities, and Larry Coker doing so without facilities are both completely irrelevant to this debate. None of those guys were on one-year deals. If you're trying to say Mccarney was an awful recruiter and that coaches have recruited better with less to pitch, I agree and I never argued anything to the contrary.

And Barnum doesn't prove that either because he didn't get it done with a huge 2015 recruiting class with a bunch of kids who had great offer lists. He coached well, especially with the guys already on the team.

Again, you don't have to believe me but if we got a good recruiting coach he could have 15+ commits before the season started with many having at least a few other FBS offers. If Canales is your coach on a one-year deal then you're going to have a tough time getting anyone with other options, which does not have to be the case if you make a good hire. You would set things up poorly down the road, which we can't afford because of Mccarney's classes outside of the 2014 class.

RV isn't going to do that either way. He's going to make as many hires as he wants. Failed or not.