Please, No Chuck Neinas This Time

greenit · October 13, 2015

Chuck Neinas seems to be a favorite go to resource for ADs around the country looking to pass the buck. Chuck is 80+ years old. Please do not let him select our next coach for RV. He thought McCarney ran a snazzy modern offense.

foutsrouts · October 13, 2015

Gene Stallings isn't required either.

meanrob · October 13, 2015

Chuck Neinas seems to be a favorite go to resource for ADs around the country looking to pass the buck. Chuck is 80+ years old. Please do not let him select our next coach for RV. He thought McCarney ran a snazzy modern offense.

Gene Stallings isn't required either.

Amen

Edited October 13, 2015 by meanrob

Harry · October 13, 2015

Here's the deal, you need a consultant who can keep the prospective coaches names confidential and perform background checks etc. It's like a vetting process but the biggest thing is they can keep things confidential.

This may shock people but I am hearing there is a LOT of interest in this job. Most look at this job from the outside looking in, and wonder why someone is not successful given the facilities, location and academics. We also are in a better conference than when Mac took the position. We are also getting an early start to gauging candidates and interest. I am extremely excited about this hire. I think the powers that be realize that recruiting is a key component to this job unlike in prior times. I also think people are going to be surprised at how much we up the ante for not just the HC but also assistant pool.

GMG24 · October 13, 2015

Here's the deal, you need a consultant who can keep the prospective coaches names confidential and perform background checks etc. It's like a vetting process but the biggest thing is they can keep things confidential.
This may shock people but I am hearing there is a LOT of interest in this job. Most look at this job from the outside looking in, and wonder why someone is not successful given the facilities, location and academics. We also are in a better conference than when Mac took the position. We are also getting an early start to gauging candidates and interest. I am extremely excited about this hire. I think the powers that be realize that recruiting is a key component to this job unlike in prior times. I also think people are going to be surprised at how much we up the ante for not just the HC but also assistant pool.

there's a ton of smart people in the coaching wolrd who know if they turn us around, they get a biiiiiiiig pay raise and go P5.

Every coach that I run into asks how we haven't been successful and mention our incredible stadium and how nice it is. It's time we wake this sleeping giant up.

Edited October 14, 2015 by GMG24

UNT90 · October 13, 2015

Here's the deal, you need a consultant who can keep the prospective coaches names confidential and perform background checks etc. It's like a vetting process but the biggest thing is they can keep things confidential.
This may shock people but I am hearing there is a LOT of interest in this job. Most look at this job from the outside looking in, and wonder why someone is not successful given the facilities, location and academics. We also are in a better conference than when Mac took the position. We are also getting an early start to gauging candidates and interest. I am extremely excited about this hire. I think the powers that be realize that recruiting is a key component to this job unlike in prior times. I also think people are going to be surprised at how much we up the ante for not just the HC but also assistant pool.

Let them meet the athletic director. Then they will know why no hire is ever successful here.

He never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

UTSA Fan · October 13, 2015

Never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity and running the ball to set up the run is $. Great lines!

Mean_Green09 · October 13, 2015

Let them meet the athletic director. Then they will know why no hire is ever successful here.
He never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

This right here. We lose respect with our AD. His handling of the firing was an embarrassment. Even if he was told to do it.

If DaMarcus balls out these last games how much more intriguing does the job get.

But I've heard the same guys are interested and guys we want.

DeepGreen · October 13, 2015

And puleese, no R.C. Slocum for coach. His best years have come and gone.

GoMeanGreen1999 · October 13, 2015

Here's the deal, you need a consultant who can keep the prospective coaches names confidential and perform background checks etc. It's like a vetting process but the biggest thing is they can keep things confidential.
This may shock people but I am hearing there is a LOT of interest in this job. Most look at this job from the outside looking in, and wonder why someone is not successful given the facilities, location and academics. We also are in a better conference than when Mac took the position. We are also getting an early start to gauging candidates and interest. I am extremely excited about this hire. I think the powers that be realize that recruiting is a key component to this job unlike in prior times. I also think people are going to be surprised at how much we up the ante for not just the HC but also assistant pool.

wasn't there a lot of interest in our basketball program when JJ left?

greenit · October 13, 2015

Here's the deal, you need a consultant who can keep the prospective coaches names confidential and perform background checks etc. It's like a vetting process but the biggest thing is they can keep things confidential.
This may shock people but I am hearing there is a LOT of interest in this job. Most look at this job from the outside looking in, and wonder why someone is not successful given the facilities, location and academics. We also are in a better conference than when Mac took the position. We are also getting an early start to gauging candidates and interest. I am extremely excited about this hire. I think the powers that be realize that recruiting is a key component to this job unlike in prior times. I also think people are going to be surprised at how much we up the ante for not just the HC but also assistant pool.

Of course they are interested. They see all the things that have been built, the conference, the decent money, and the location. What is not to like. It is like the female that thinks they can 'change him'. And this is great news for us. I am saying we don't need someone like Neinas. I don't mind the consultant. I agree that they can get around the contact with coaches under contracts that ADs cannot and they are professional recruiters and ADs are not.

Just get someone that is current that can present us a list that includes the most eligible blonde, brunette, and redhead so that hopefully the AD cannot screw up the choice and the eventual coach does not suck at his job.

wasn't there a lot of interest in our basketball program when JJ left?

To be fair, Benford fooled a lot of people. He was considered the best option available in our price range with big upside. I don't believe most 'experts' consider Cross to have the upside that Benford did at the time. Unfortunately, expert opinions can sometimes turn out to be crap. We seem adept at finding those kind of experts.

Cr1028 · October 13, 2015

This may shock people but I am hearing there is a LOT of interest in this job.

This makes me VERY happy Harry. Thank you for sharing.

Wow, I've been up too long. I very nearly put thank you for sharting. haha whoops

Edited October 13, 2015 by Cr1028

GMG24 · October 13, 2015

wasn't there a lot of interest in our basketball program when JJ left?

yes do you know who Scott Cross is!? He was interested and never got an interview.

DeepGreen · October 13, 2015

Same thing with Franchione. He was interested(as in called us) but we never called him in for an interview.

greenit · October 13, 2015

Cross and Fran, if true, seem to be perfect examples of the consultant trying to show how much smarter they are than everyone else.

Harry · October 13, 2015

Of course they are interested. They see all the things that have been built, the conference, the decent money, and the location. What is not to like. It is like the female that thinks they can 'change him'. And this is great news for us. I am saying we don't need someone like Neinas. I don't mind the consultant. I agree that they can get around the contact with coaches under contracts that ADs cannot and they are professional recruiters and ADs are not.
Just get someone that is current that can present us a list that includes the most eligible blonde, brunette, and redhead so that hopefully the AD cannot screw up the choice and the eventual coach does not suck at his job.

I agree with you on this -- I have no allegience to Neinas or anyone else. I do want to use the firm that has the best relationships with the best coaches and their agents. I'm just saying that the consultant helps in certain areas that are valuable when you go through a search. Frankly, the consultant never decides the hire. They just give you the top candidates and help steer you in the right direction.

I also honestly think that a qualified assistant at a p5 program has a better chance of moving to the coveted p5 job through a g5 head coaching stint. I don't want or need a new coach to be here longer than 3-4 years. I WANT this next coach to move up to a bigger job. It's never happened here for goodness sakes. And I think we can position our salary to be competitive to what most of them are making now, with a few exceptions. Someone right now is sitting as an OC or DC at a top notch program, evaluating the best athletes and building relationships across the state right now. This person might sit in that same job for the rest of their career unless they are willing to take an HC job at a place like UNT and catapult up.

I also think this has become a young man's game. Things move so fast in these programs now. You don't have 5-10 years to build things brick by brick like in the olden days. It takes tons of energy to revive programs that have been down.

Recruiting was always important but now it has become the #1 most important area especially in a league like C-USA. You could look at C-USA in this pre-season and know exactly which programs were going to succeed by their QB's. La. Tech went out and recruited a stud transfer this year and last year... they are clearly benefiting from that. WKU has an NFL QB and you see the results. That is recruiting -- that is evaluation and making things happen. We have done a pi$$ poor job of that and that is why we find ourselves in this predicament.

And recruiting is not just a head coach... it is primarily the assistants. They are the ones you need to hit paydirt on. You need a process, a gameplan and you have to stick to it. You have to hold coaches accountable and reward them for not just hard work but also the close. We haven't had that system here. Our best recruiters are not the highest paid coaches on the team -- and they should be. Mac's recruiting hierarchy was built on seniority not production. That worked way back when but not any longer.

If I was on the steering committee my first question would be what is your plan of attack for recruiting and specifically what is your system and structure to make this happen? And I would not accept, "we will hire assistants who can recruit" as an answer. I want to know how exactly you will position them to recruit effectively and how you will incentivize them to produce. I want to know that the offensive and defensive systems you employ will feed into your recruiting success. Mac lost his job due to the fact we could not evaluate and close on good QB prospects. I got so tired of hearing how DaMarcus Smith didn't go through spring... why were we having to rely on a late juco signing in the first place? I want this next hire to assure me that won't ever happen again.

Edited October 13, 2015 by Harry

UNT90 · October 13, 2015

They are interested because THERE ARE ONLY 128 OF THESE JOBS IN AMERICA!

Any coordinator from a major program will be interested. It has nothing to do with how pretty we are. It's like being one of 12 women on a boat full of drunken sailors in the middle of the Pacific Ocean (not a shot at you, AAUNT). You are going to get A LOT of attention.

oldguystudent · October 13, 2015

Chuck Neinas?

Got5onIt · October 13, 2015

I'll do it for half the price........

MeanGreenHoops · October 13, 2015

@Harry makes some great points, but I'm not surprised that people are interested. I'm not worried about there being great candidates, or even that we won't pay enough, I'm worried about who is making the decision. I'm not sure who it is, but in the past the person/people making the decisions haven't done very well/

UNT90 · October 13, 2015

@Harry makes some great points, but I'm not surprised that people are interested. I'm not worried about there being great candidates, or even that we won't pay enough, I'm worried about who is making the decision. I'm not sure who it is, but in the past the person/people making the decisions haven't done very well/

The responsibility for the decision lies at one person's feet! Come on, folks. This is exactly what he wants to portray.