To Fly and The 15

[UNT90]

Please pay very careful attention to alumni attendance for the WKU and UTSA game. Yes, those 2 games. A lot of alums have already made plans for homecoming, so they will be there for at least the first half.

But please, come down out of the Ivory tower and venture into Everyman land. Take a look at the emptiness before you and ask yourselves if a personal friendship is worth what is happening to this athletic program under said personal friend's stewardship. 

If the answer is yes, enjoy 10k or less in attendance in that shiny stadium you helped build. Enjoy losing football with your friend.

You see, any sport needs the Everyman. When the Everyman walks away, it means very hard times for the team they support. A lot of Everymen have opened the door and have a foot on the other side, looking back over their shoulder to see if the root cause will be addressed.

Mac doesn't coach men's or women's basketball. Firing Mac is merely treating a symptom without attacking the disease. 

If you want to remain solidly in RVs corner, that's fine, just get that checkbook ready to cover the exodus of season ticket holders and mean green club members that will occur after this season.

On the bright side, this does give you more alone time with your best buddy.

#UNTathleticsissmalltime

 

Edited October 1, 2015 by UNT90

[flyonthewall]

Its 17 now.  Add mcnatt and westheimer. Get the facts straight or don't post.

[oldguystudent]

@THOR and his friends the everyday men, when the cheesecake crumbs fall from the sky.

[UNT90]

Its 17 now.  Add mcnatt and westheimer. Get the facts straight or don't post.

Great, more defenders of losing. 

Perfect. 

[SilverEagle]

Its 17 now.  Add mcnatt and westheimer. Get the facts straight or don't post.

Out of an alumni base of anywhere from 100K to 250K (depending on who posts the numbers......I trust Cerebus on this one.), we have 17 who significantly "up fund" the program? Even after the improvements in our facilities and conference affiliation?

So, assuming that there are many more than 17 out there who claim UNT as "their University",  AND assuming that, (properly motivated), they too would step forward to significantly "up fund" the athletic program. At this point in time, by their reluctance to join the other "17", what does that say about their confidence in the person running the program?

 

 

[UNT90]

Out of an alumni base of anywhere from 100K to 250K (depending on who posts the numbers......I trust Cerebus on this one.), we have 17 who significantly "up fund" the program? Even after the improvements in our facilities and conference affiliation?

So, assuming that there are many more than 17 out there who claim UNT as "their University",  AND assuming that, (properly motivated), they too would step forward to significantly "up fund" the athletic program. At this point in time, by their reluctance to join the other "17", what does that say about their confidence in the person running the program?

 

 

I could be wrong, but I took Fly's post to mean they believe as the other 15, otherwise I don't think Fly would have added them to the pile to make 17.

[THOR]

@THOR and his friends the everyday men, when the cheesecake crumbs fall from the sky.

how many times do i have to say i hate you???

 

and that cheesecake is goooooood......

[VideoEagle]

Wow, we've reached the point some people are complaining about fans giving extra money to support the student athletes. Not surprising I guess since last week we had people hoping the student athletes didn't score a single point so those giving extra money to support them most be evil. 

[Cerebus]

Ryan and Video, you guys are missing the point I think.

Fly is arguing that the big donors (The 17™) are developed by the AD and are his biggest accomplishment.  90 is arguing that a better AD would have developed more than 17 big money donors in 15 years).

People wishing for us to lose or not score a point are goons.

 

Edited October 1, 2015 by Cerebus

[UNT90]

Wow, we've reached the point some people are complaining about fans giving extra money to support the student athletes. Not surprising I guess since last week we had people hoping the student athletes didn't score a single point so those giving extra money to support them most be evil. 

Don't know where you get that. I am complaining about loyalty to a single individual over loyalty to what is best for the UNT athletic program.

On top of what Cerebus posted. 

Just so we are clear.

Ryan and Video, you guys are missing the point I think.

Fly is arguing that the big donors (The 17) are developed by the AD and are his biggest accomplishment.  90 is arguing that a better AD would have developed more than 17 big money donors in 15 years).

People wishing for us to lose or not score a point are goons.

 

And this is what I mean when I say we are soooooooooo small time.

17 people in 15 years that are loyal to a man, not the university. 

17.

when we are a 35k university near  the second largest population center in Texas.

17.

And when Mattess Mac was around, he supported Dickey, not the university. Small time.

17.

An AD that knows he will never get a job at another program and keeps donors close to his vest.

17.

With something around 300,000 alumni alive.

17.

#UNTathleticsissmalltime

 

 

Edited October 1, 2015 by UNT90

[meangreenbob]

Ryan and Video, you guys are missing the point I think.

Fly is arguing that the big donors (The 17) are developed by the AD and are his biggest accomplishment.  90 is arguing that a better AD would have developed more than 17 big money donors in 15 years).

People wishing for us to lose or not score a point are goons.

 

Actually a good AD would have developed a fan base of 30,800 after 15 years on the job. Its nice that we have 17 big donors but they can not offset the damage RV has done to this program through his mindless foolish choices of coaching personnel over those years. RV peaked as an Athletic Director when he stopped handing out UNT apparel on campus. But hey, the "good ole boys club" will have one of the nicest D1AA stadiums all to themselves.

Edited October 1, 2015 by meangreenbob

[untjim1995]

At this point, if the university's leadership allows RV to keep his job because of the UNT 17's influence, I'll walk away finally--after 25 years.

The best thing that we all have going for us is that the next 6 months will tell us so much about this place's direction. We aren't winning more than 2 games in football this year, with a coach in his 5th year, who still has three years left to get paid. The basketball coach isn't getting us to a postseason berth in his 4th year, with just one year left to be paid after this season. The AD has less than three years left to be paid on his current contract. Mac will be here, no matter what, but to see the AD get changed and to hire a new hoops coach would give me a sense of renewed faith. That new AD can put the pressure on Mac to make it clear he isn't going to have a job beyond 2017 without two winning seasons, assuming that is the earliest he can be bought out. IOW, even a 2017 winning season, if followed by another piss-poor 2016 season, will not be enough to earn an extension.

This is what it will take for me to stick around if we see us win less than 4 games this year (100% certainty at this point)--replace RV in 2015, replace Benford in 2016, and replace Mac in 2017 if he doesn't win. Any of those pieces not being in place are enders for me...

[VideoEagle]

 

What I don't understand is the assumption that large donors are loyal to RV and not to the university. From where does this assumption come? Is it just because they chose to give money to the university when RV happened to be the AD? With that logic, all of the donors to the Mean Green club must be loyal only to RV and we know that isn't true. Is there some dollar amount that magically switches someone's loyalty over? Up to $2500, they like the university but anyone giving $2600 must like RV? There's no evidence of that. 

Likewise, there's no actual evidence we only have 17 large donors. We all know the list in the football program is both incomplete and inaccurate with some the entries it does contain. Yes, that is a mistake by RV in not publishing a list. But some choose to be anonymous and some simply haven't been named yet. There is no "17" but there undoubted are fewer large donors than small donors. What nonprofit doesn't have more small donors than large donors?

I don't think RV is perfect, but I unlike UNT90 I still want UNT to receive donations both large and small. I don't think we should punish our students by making the unsupported argument that anyone giving a large some should NOT be doing so since according to the argument doing so somehow demonstrates a "loyalty" to RV. 

[Cerebus]

 

What I don't understand is the assumption that large donors are loyal to RV and not to the university. From where does this assumption come?

Fly has posted many times that the money to buy out the AD's contract would come from that group of donors, and that group of donors back RV and so would not pay to have his contract bought out.  That is where the assumption comes from.  

[UNT90]

 

What I don't understand is the assumption that large donors are loyal to RV and not to the university. From where does this assumption come? Is it just because they chose to give money to the university when RV happened to be the AD? With that logic, all of the donors to the Mean Green club must be loyal only to RV and we know that isn't true. Is there some dollar amount that magically switches someone's loyalty over? Up to $2500, they like the university but anyone giving $2600 must like RV? There's no evidence of that. 

Likewise, there's no actual evidence we only have 17 large donors. We all know the list in the football program is both incomplete and inaccurate with some the entries it does contain. Yes, that is a mistake by RV in not publishing a list. But some choose to be anonymous and some simply haven't been named yet. There is no "17" but there undoubted are fewer large donors than small donors. What nonprofit doesn't have more small donors than large donors?

I don't think RV is perfect, but I unlike UNT90 I still want UNT to receive donations both large and small. I don't think we should punish our students by making the unsupported argument that anyone giving a large some should NOT be doing so since according to the argument doing so somehow demonstrates a "loyalty" to RV. 

maybe because Fly, a large donor himself, told us they were in another thread?

I may disagree with Fly on a number of issues, but I trust that he knows how the other large donors perceive RV. 

I mean, Fly has never lied to this fan base about anything. Something that can't be said about the current AD.

I never said there shouldn't be large donors. I said their loyalty should lie with UNT, not the athletic director.

Edited October 1, 2015 by UNT90

[GRN-WHT]

In other posts, Fly has been quick to say that Mac's seat is on fire. When asked about RV's seat...crickets.

He has told us that he is supporting RV and his "grand vision" that only the 17 are privy to. The little guy be damned.

This is why I believe that RV is still here because the 17 have continued to allow it. To me it is clear that they have entirely too much loyalty with RV and that it prevents us from being where we should be in terms of W-L record.

Edited October 1, 2015 by GRN-WHT

[GangGreen]

Illuminati?

[VideoEagle]

Illuminati?

Could be! The number of participants is close - 

16 Celebs Supposedly in the Illuminati