MGB: If McNulty wasn't the best option, he wouldn't be out there

Army of Dad · September 23, 2015

Over McCarney's dead/fired body.

That's an interesting theory. Could Dan be like a sequel to the movie Dave?

He's either dead or comatose and a look alike is impersonating him. Could explain the reuse of certain phrases (National Championship, be the most improved, etc...).

I'm not saying...

Edited September 23, 2015 by Army of Dad

MeanGreenTexan · September 23, 2015

Piggybacking on the Dajon thing, is he on a football roster right now? Can't find him on any roster but thought he was set to be eligible to play for a FCS this season? This has probably been mentioned somewhere else and I missed it. But to your point, if Smith comes out and does the same will folks be any more or less satisfied in Mac for giving him a chance at least? There were still rumblings about Dajon being the best QB after we saw what he did against UAB and Indiana.

From people who either hadn't seen those games, or were just so far down on McNulty that they'd rather cut off their nose to spite the face.

McNulty was the best QB we had on the roster last year. He may still be. We won't know until we see Smith is all I'm saying.

GMG24 · September 23, 2015

I tend to agree with Vito on this which just depresses me even more about this team. I think folks on here tend to romanticize Smith just like Dajon and Brock Berglund because we are desperate to have our savior at QB. I hope I'm wrong and he comes in and does great things here but history tends to say otherwise.

Wasn't berglund hurt the entire time he was here? Then the year he was healthy we went with senior DT?? Berglund was recruited by Morris while Morris was at Tulsa and Norm Chow when he was at UCLA surely them and the other 16 schools that offered weren't wrong?

Dajon was a freak but like was mentioned before a reason he only had 1 offer.

http://sports.yahoo.com/cal/football/recruiting/player-Brock-Berglund-102964

GrandGreen · September 23, 2015

Almost everyone want Smith to get a chance, based on nothing more than he is the only QB on the team that they haven't seen in game action. Most have not even seen him in any kind of action. He is the latest savior QB brought in by this staff and most ignore that none of the others were the answer.

McNulty actually was much improved last game, and the defense was awful. Yet, the focus still is on the QB when it probably should be on a depleted defensive secondary and a linebacker crew that is not making enough plays.

MeanGreenTexan · September 23, 2015

That's an interesting theory. Could Dan be like a sequel to the movie Dave?
He's either dead or comatose and a look alike is impersonating him. Could explain the reuse of certain phrases (National Championship, be the most improved, etc...).
I'm not saying...

817Fan · September 23, 2015

Btw. Chumley is a QB & Dillman isn't. -as per the evaluation of this staff.

ChristopherRyanWilkes · September 23, 2015

From people who either hadn't seen those games, or were just so far down on McNulty that they'd rather cut off their nose to spite the face.
McNulty was the best QB we had on the roster last year. He may still be. We won't know until we see Smith is all I'm saying.

True, it is still unknown one way or another. I'm just saying people were calling for Dajon in the same way and when he finally did play we saw that we just had an overall bad group of QBs.

Wasn't berglund hurt the entire time he was here? Then the year he was healthy we went with senior DT?? Berglund was recruited by Morris while Morris was at Tulsa and Norm Chow when he was at UCLA surely them and the other 16 schools that offered weren't wrong?
Dajon was a freak but like was mentioned before a reason he only had 1 offer.
http://sports.yahoo.com/cal/football/recruiting/player-Brock-Berglund-102964

I use Berglund as an example because he was hyped up the same way DeMarcus and Dajon were when there was discontent from the fans with whoever the starting QB was. Might be a bad example but those are the two in recent memory. Guys who were supposed to finally "open up" our offense. Berglund didn't fare any better health-wise at U of Northern Colorado so maybe he is still an unknown as well. Don't know his health status this year but he hasn't seen a snap yet this season.

Edited September 23, 2015 by ChristopherRyanWilkes

Army of Dad · September 23, 2015

Almost everyone want Smith to get a chance, based on nothing more than he is the only QB on the team that they haven't seen in game action. Most have not even seen him in any kind of action. He is the latest savior QB brought in by this staff and most ignore that none of the others were the answer.
McNulty actually was much improved last game, and the defense was awful. Yet, the focus still is on the QB when it probably should be on a depleted defensive secondary and a linebacker crew that is not making enough plays.

It's very difficult to NOT improve from

16-34 128 0-2

Between the LBs and the QB you have 3/4 of the team captains. Maybe all the talk about lack of leadership wasn't just talk and maybe it's still not fixed.

As for "savior" QBs, only Berglund and Smith were really sought after cling out of HS and Greer is probably who many coaches thought he would be. (I'm sure @BillySee58 will correct me if I'm wrong about their HS recruitments)

untjim1995 · September 23, 2015

Berglund and Dajon were head cases--either mental midgets or just too self-centered to lead a FBS program. That's why things fell the way they did for both of them. I don't know anything about Damarcus Smith, but it is very telling that he had to go the JUCO route, ended up agreeing to come here and play QB at a school that passes about 1/3rd of the time, of which most are within 5 yards of the LOS, and then couldn't qualify academically to get here until the fall camp. There is no way that a coach like Woody Hayes McCarney is going to turn over the reigns to a QB like that until he has earned his trust. And that trust is going to be even harder to earn when his style of play is like Dajon's, which epically failed in the Wing-T offense of 1970 that Mac demands to be run here.

Unless we get an OC in here that is allowed to run an offense that is wide open, which should happen sometime around the 2018 season, we won't have one decent throwing QB on the roster. There hasn't been, nor will there be one decent QB from a Texas High School that will come here to play in this offense. Not one...

Basically, all you can do is wait this out over this year and probably the two that follow...or walk away. That's what RV and the BOR have given to us as choices, since we extended Mac thru 2018 at $650k per year. Its just so perfectly North Texas for us to be in this spot right now.

Edited September 23, 2015 by untjim1995

ChristopherRyanWilkes · September 23, 2015

It's very difficult to NOT improve from
16-34 128 0-2
Between the LBs and the QB you have 3/4 of the team captains. Maybe all the talk about lack of leadership wasn't just talk and maybe it's still not fixed.
As for "savior" QBs, only Berglund and Smith were really sought after cling out of HS and Greer is probably who many coaches thought he would be. (I'm sure @BillySee58 will correct me if I'm wrong about their HS recruitments)

Berglund was a 3-star recruit and had some good offers but likely chose Kansas because it was his best chance of starting somewhere. Don't know the whole story there. Here were the glowing reviews about Berglund after being released from a downtrodden Kansas team that could use all the talent they can get: "I believe no individual should be more important than the team," [Kansas's coach] said. "Brock did not see it that way." All I'm saying is there might be a reason these highly-recruited guys end up with North Texas after stints with other teams that obviously didn't think whatever other problems were outweighed by talent. This may or may not be the case with DeMarcus, I'm just not getting my hopes up based on history.

UNT90 · September 23, 2015

My identity has finally been flushed out on this forum. The greatest 7 year troll run has finally been exposed.

I obviously cannot continue on as AD knowing that this terrible secret has been revealed. This was my only way to vent my self-loathing thoughts, and now you bastards have even taken that away from me! No amount of drinking with my 15 best friends can numb the pain of this discovery.

So, I do the only thing that I can do in this situation, and immediately offer my resignation as AD of the UNT athletic department.

I just need to know one thing... Did Tulsa tell you guys who I really was? Those jack wads screw up all my plans!!!

Edited September 23, 2015 by UNT90

Withers940 · September 23, 2015

Almost everyone want Smith to get a chance, based on nothing more than he is the only QB on the team that they haven't seen in game action. Most have not even seen him in any kind of action. He is the latest savior QB brought in by this staff and most ignore that none of the others were the answer.
McNulty actually was much improved last game, and the defense was awful. Yet, the focus still is on the QB when it probably should be on a depleted defensive secondary and a linebacker crew that is not making enough plays.

We havent Seen Connor Means out there have we?? No, we havent but what would it hurt to throw him to the wolves.

Lets get to this Bold Item that I have selected from you post. I have brought this up in several different posts when referring to our defense being "Terrible" but the Defense was on the field a total of 41 minutes and 50 seconds out of a total of 60 possible minutes. You might say, "Well, Rice was winning 17-10 at halftime" and I would say to you, The Defense was on the field a total of 12 Minutes and 6 seconds out of 15 possible playing minutes. Our offense did have the ball for the longest they had all game with their first possesion for a total of 4:50. I know 12:06 and 4:50 dont add up to 15 but Rice's second possession went into the second qtr. On Rice's Second possession, the defense held them and forced Rice to punt and on this play (I THINK) is were we muffed the punt and Rice got the ball back. The defense had no time to rest and were back out on the field.

I could go on and on with each possession of the game but check out these numbers as far as possesion.

Rice TOP by QTR: 1st Half: 19:31 2nd Half: 22:19

1st 10:10

2nd 9:21

3rd 9:29

4th 12:50

UNT TOP by QTR: 1st Half: 10:29 2nd Half: 7:41

1st: 4:50

2nd: 5:39

3rd: 5:31

4th:2:10

Some of you on here dont believe the TOP excuse but I do. If the offense has the ball for the majority of the game, it wears down the defense as you can see from the first half. I think Cosh shouldn't practice tackling but just make the D run lines the whole practice so they are well conditioned and wont tire out.

Its great when we score quick and I know that other teams in the nation that have high octane offenses that have a low TOP but they usually get great recruits and have better depth than we do at the defensive positions. Does the defense need to step it up, Yes but they are not the ones fully to blame here.

Cr1028 · September 23, 2015

And, like Dajon, we'll never know if he is or he isn't unless we SEE him on the field.Dajon explosive-diarrhea'd the bed when he was playing against 1st-team defenses not named Nicholls.
There is a possibility Smith could do the same. Or, he could play much, much better and live up to his high-school recruiting profile. We won't know unless we see him.

Dajon was a month past his 20th birthday when he was benched after being in the program for just over a year and starting only 3 games(2 against legit competition). Smith is quite a bit older and seen more college level competition. Although he didn't exactly light up the field when he was at WKU. I will always believe that DMac didn't have the patience to mold DW into what he could've been. Freshman qbs will make freshman mistakes and it is the coach's job to help get those corrected, not simply give up on the kid.

GreenTexan13 · September 23, 2015

My identity has finally been flushed out on this forum. The greatest 7 year troll run has finally been exposed.
I obviously cannot continue on as AD knowing that this terrible secret has been revealed. This was my only way to vent my self-loathing thoughts, and now you bastards have even taken that away from me! No amount of drinking with my 15 best friends can numb the pain of this discovery.
So, I do the only thing that I can do in this situation, and immediately offer my resignation as AD of the UNT athletic department.
I just need to know one thing... Did Tulsa tell you guys who I really was? Those jack wads screw up all my plans!!!

Tulsa and Northern Arizona teamed up and threw you under the bus Rick.

Cr1028 · September 23, 2015

Btw. Chumley is a QB & Dillman isn't. -as per the evaluation of this staff.

I thought it was Dillman's HS coach that decided he wasn't a FBS quarterback. He has more quarterback skins on the wall than our coaches so I'm glad they are taking his advice.

GOMG2013 · September 23, 2015

This isn't 1955. Football offense is now based on taking what the defense gives you and making the most of it. That's the whole idea of a zone read, a spread offense where players stop and look to sideline before the snap, why you hear "kill, kill, kill" before most plays on TV. I know some don't like a team popping up like a bunch of prairie dogs but if you watched the National Championship game last year you saw Ohio State and Oregon doing a lot of that.

I saw the national championship, and I saw an OC adjust his play calling and offense on the fly. C. Jones has a totally different skill set than Barrett or miller. He has a strong arm, so they went deep. He wasn't as fast as the other two, but bigger. So they still ran the QB, but with a different style and he broke tackles instead of out running and juking.

At sosome point, you still have to make a play even though the defense has an idea of what is coming. The needle has to be threaded and tackles have to be broken.

We have a smash mouth head coach, with a gimmicky OC. Our personel does not fit what the head coach wants. We have scat backs and TEs who can't block. It's like Chico is trying to sneak his type of guys in here in hopes that Mac would change his mind, quit, get fired or die. Even our big back dances.

The biggest mistake is pretending to open up the offense. Chico should have went on and took a job somewhere else and Mac should have gotten someone that shared his same philosophy and gotten a running QB, and some tackle breaking, ball control RBs. SEE RICE as an example.

ChristopherRyanWilkes · September 23, 2015

We havent Seen Connor Means out there have we?? No, we havent but what would it hurt to throw him to the wolves.

Lets get to this Bold Item that I have selected from you post. I have brought this up in several different posts when referring to our defense being "Terrible" but the Defense was on the field a total of 41 minutes and 50 seconds out of a total of 60 possible minutes. You might say, "Well, Rice was winning 17-10 at halftime" and I would say to you, The Defense was on the field a total of 12 Minutes and 6 seconds out of 15 possible playing minutes. Our offense did have the ball for the longest they had all game with their first possesion for a total of 4:50. I know 12:06 and 4:50 dont add up to 15 but Rice's second possession went into the second qtr. On Rice's Second possession, the defense held them and forced Rice to punt and on this play (I THINK) is were we muffed the punt and Rice got the ball back. The defense had no time to rest and were back out on the field.
I could go on and on with each possession of the game but check out these numbers as far as possesion.
Rice TOP by QTR: 1st Half: 19:31 2nd Half: 22:19
1st 10:10
2nd 9:21
3rd 9:29
4th 12:50
UNT TOP by QTR: 1st Half: 10:29 2nd Half: 7:41
1st: 4:50
2nd: 5:39
3rd: 5:31
4th:2:10
Some of you on here dont believe the TOP excuse but I do. If the offense has the ball for the majority of the game, it wears down the defense as you can see from the first half. I think Cosh shouldn't practice tackling but just make the D run lines the whole practice so they are well conditioned and wont tire out.
Its great when we score quick and I know that other teams in the nation that have high octane offenses that have a low TOP but they usually get great recruits and have better depth than we do at the defensive positions. Does the defense need to step it up, Yes but they are not the ones fully to blame here.

Isn't this a result of the up-tempo more than anything else? So should we go back to the slow-down running game offense we had before? :P

Edited September 23, 2015 by ChristopherRyanWilkes

GrandGreen · September 23, 2015

We havent Seen Connor Means out there have we?? No, we havent but what would it hurt to throw him to the wolves.

Lets get to this Bold Item that I have selected from you post. I have brought this up in several different posts when referring to our defense being "Terrible" but the Defense was on the field a total of 41 minutes and 50 seconds out of a total of 60 possible minutes. You might say, "Well, Rice was winning 17-10 at halftime" and I would say to you, The Defense was on the field a total of 12 Minutes and 6 seconds out of 15 possible playing minutes. Our offense did have the ball for the longest they had all game with their first possesion for a total of 4:50. I know 12:06 and 4:50 dont add up to 15 but Rice's second possession went into the second qtr. On Rice's Second possession, the defense held them and forced Rice to punt and on this play (I THINK) is were we muffed the punt and Rice got the ball back. The defense had no time to rest and were back out on the field.
I could go on and on with each possession of the game but check out these numbers as far as possesion.
Rice TOP by QTR: 1st Half: 19:31 2nd Half: 22:19
1st 10:10
2nd 9:21
3rd 9:29
4th 12:50
UNT TOP by QTR: 1st Half: 10:29 2nd Half: 7:41
1st: 4:50
2nd: 5:39
3rd: 5:31
4th:2:10
Some of you on here dont believe the TOP excuse but I do. If the offense has the ball for the majority of the game, it wears down the defense as you can see from the first half. I think Cosh shouldn't practice tackling but just make the D run lines the whole practice so they are well conditioned and wont tire out.
Its great when we score quick and I know that other teams in the nation that have high octane offenses that have a low TOP but they usually get great recruits and have better depth than we do at the defensive positions. Does the defense need to step it up, Yes but they are not the ones fully to blame here.

At least, many have seen Means in the spring games.

Ben Gooding · September 23, 2015

I would love to see Smith in an Air Raid offense. Hell I'd love to see an air raid offense in general at UNT. I think it would give us the best shot at recruiting big time QBs, and potentially beat P5 programs occasionally.

I have a feeling Mike Leach might be exiting stage left out of Wash St. I would give my left nut to get him in here.

GOMG2013 · September 23, 2015

Isn't this a result of the up-tempo more than anything else?

and mac didnt come up with the up tempo. Chico did. But mac is handcuff in him...If skladany was still here, no way would we be running uptempo.

untjim1995 · September 23, 2015

I have a feeling Mike Leach might be exiting stage left out of Wash St. I would give my left nut to get him in here.

He would cost way more than we will ever pay for a coach. Plus, he hates glad-handing alumni and playing nice with the AD, which is why Tech turned on him, among other things. As you have seen here, the 12 big money donors DEMAND that you be super nice to RV and enjoy their company. They like guys like Dan McCarney and Tony Benford, who are the polar opposite of Mike Leach.

foutsrouts · September 23, 2015

I have a feeling Mike Leach might be exiting stage left out of Wash St. I would give my left nut to get him in here.

Pirate exchange?

ChristopherRyanWilkes · September 23, 2015

and mac didnt come up with the up tempo. Chico did. But mac is handcuff in him...If skladany was still here, no way would we be running uptempo.

Uptempo when you aren't running it well will kill your defense. Look at the Eagles.

MeanGreenHoops · September 23, 2015

and mac didnt come up with the up tempo. Chico did. But mac is handcuff in him...If skladany was still here, no way would we be running uptempo.

Yeah, I don't think the uptempo is helping this defense. They are not very good yet, and putting them back on the field more is not a great idea.

Ben Gooding · September 23, 2015

He would cost way more than we will ever pay for a coach. Plus, he hates glad-handing alumni and playing nice with the AD, which is why Tech turned on him, among other things. As you have seen here, the 12 big money donors DEMAND that you be super nice to RV and enjoy their company. They like guys like Dan McCarney and Tony Benford, who are the polar opposite of Mike Leach.

I don't care what they like. Mike Leach's offensive system at a G5 program is what allow G5's to thrive. Also, he would be able to recruit skill position players and more importantly, an effective QB.