Did we add a P5 to our future schedules?

[UNTexas]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/report--big-ten-includes-army--byu--notre-dame--cincy--uconn-as-power-5-opponents-155924727.html

I'm not sure I agree but whatever...

Edited September 22, 2015 by UNTexas

[Aldo]

Army aside...Really? Cincy and UConn? We talkin bball?

[Mean Green 93-98]

From the AAC, Temple is ranked #34 in CBS Sports' ranking; Houston is #35.  Yet they choose UConn, ranked #101, and Army, ranked #123, to classify as "Power Teams."  And these rankings are not really atypical.  And if UConn and Cincy, why not Marshall or Western Kentucky?  And if Army, why not Navy?

They say they will "evaluate any other non-P5 schools" in the future. . . . But by allowing for these three teams, pretty much any other G5 team will qualify based on any comparative considerations.

This is a headscratcher, to be sure.  Then again, Jim Delaney remains the head of the B1G, and most of what he does is a headscratcher.

Edited September 22, 2015 by Mean Green 93-98

[NM Green]

How bizarre that they are cherry picking conference mates of the G5.  Uconn sucks at football.  What this move screams to me is "yeah we don't really want this policy because we want some wins for our program and fans."  The biggies are realizing the final four really will be pulled from about 30 programs max every year.  So in a strange way the lower  p5s are feeling shut out like the G5 have for years and it will only get worse.  Here is your new ncaa with like 90 programs growing in disgust. 

The nutsack is if you know who gets there before we do.  

GMG

 

[untjim1995]

They allowed them because they have already been scheduled...

[Mean Green 93-98]

They allowed them because they have already been scheduled...

But the point of this rule is not that they can't play G5 opponents at all. . . . They just need one P5 opponent on their OOC schedules.  Additionally, the way I read this is that these teams have permanent exemptions.  So teams can continue scheduling UConn as their lone OOC "P5" opponent.

[untjim1995]

I think that they probably realize both of those schools will be P5 very soon. I totally understand BYU and Notre Dame, but Army is the one that makes no sense to me.

[Cerebus]

I think that they probably realize both of those schools will be P5 very soon. I totally understand BYU and Notre Dame, but Army is the one that makes no sense to me.

There isn't going to be MORE schools in the power conferences, there is going to be LESS.  I didn't say "P5" because I don't think there will be 5 power conferences in 10 years.  

[untjim1995]

There isn't going to be MORE schools in the power conferences, there is going to be LESS.  I didn't say "P5" because I don't think there will be 5 power conferences in 10 years.  

Oh, I agree...but I do think that UConn and Cincy will get in...

[UTSA Fan]

C.K. meltdown in 5.4.3.2.1....

[keith]

We didn't, but the B1G did.  That's the difference.

[untjim1995]

C.K. meltdown in 5.4.3.2.1....

Yeah, she has never understood that what kills them is being in Houston--the SEC and Big XII already have those markets covered. And when the Big XII goes away, the other conferences are going to use the Texas and Oklahoma Big XII schools to gain their entrance into the DFW and Houston markets.

If the Big XII does expand, it will be to Cincy, Memphis, BYU, Boise State, CSU, UCF, or USF--markets that they can gain a foothold in that they don't overlap already. Its not gonna be Houston.

UH has one hope for P5 status--that the Pac-12 expands east and they take them because they cannot get Texas to drop the LHN. Its possible, but not probable. Otherwise, they have very little hope. I suppose the ACC could expand, but they will look at Cincy, UConn, and WVU, to add to their league to replace anyone who might leave to go to the SEC or B1G.

I still believe that you will see UH, SMU, TCU, Baylor, and anyone else that gets left behind by the Power Conferences to just go the BYU route and declare independence in football--they will play each other, as well as BYU, Notre Dame, Army, and other G5s and FCS teams. That way, they can still cling to the idea of getting into a playoff and being able to play power teams in their OOC schedules.

[Cerebus]

If the Big XII does expand, it will be to Cincy, Memphis, BYU, Boise State, CSU, UCF, or USF--markets that they can gain a foothold in that they don't overlap already. Its not gonna be Houston.

 

B12 won't expand while UT is there because they don't want to expand.  When the B12 expands into the above choices UT/OU and one or two lucky tag a longs will be gone.  

[UTSA Fan]

Yeah, she has never understood that what kills them is being in Houston--the SEC and Big XII already have those markets covered. And when the Big XII goes away, the other conferences are going to use the Texas and Oklahoma Big XII schools to gain their entrance into the DFW and Houston markets.

If the Big XII does expand, it will be to Cincy, Memphis, BYU, Boise State, CSU, UCF, or USF--markets that they can gain a foothold in that they don't overlap already. Its not gonna be Houston.

UH has one hope for P5 status--that the Pac-12 expands east and they take them because they cannot get Texas to drop the LHN. Its possible, but not probable. Otherwise, they have very little hope. I suppose the ACC could expand, but they will look at Cincy, UConn, and WVU, to add to their league to replace anyone who might leave to go to the SEC or B1G.

I still believe that you will see UH, SMU, TCU, Baylor, and anyone else that gets left behind by the Power Conferences to just go the BYU route and declare independence in football--they will play each other, as well as BYU, Notre Dame, Army, and other G5s and FCS teams. That way, they can still cling to the idea of getting into a playoff and being able to play power teams in their OOC schedules.

u nailed it, right on the money. *mic drop*

Edited September 22, 2015 by UTSA Fan

[ColoradoEagle]

I still believe that you will see UH, SMU, TCU, Baylor, and anyone else that gets left behind by the Power Conferences to just go the BYU route and declare independence in football

As weird as it is to think, I would expect to see Texas Tech and Iowa State get left behind before TCU at this point. Their administration and AD really put forth the money and effort to make that program big time in a way that the ones above haven't recently. Texas Tech is incredibly in debt, and even after a year they haven't been able to finance their campaign for south endzone renovations and an IPF. They're definitely feeling the heat.

Iowa State at this point probably just knows they need to enjoy the party while it lasts.

[Matt from A700]

You can't be considered a P5 team if you didn't beat SMU in 2014 in my opinion... Just saying.

[untjim1995]

As weird as it is to think, I would expect to see Texas Tech and Iowa State get left behind before TCU at this point. Their administration and AD really put forth the money and effort to make that program big time in a way that the ones above haven't recently. Texas Tech is incredibly in debt, and even after a year they haven't been able to finance their campaign for south endzone renovations and an IPF. They're definitely feeling the heat.

Iowa State at this point probably just knows they need to enjoy the party while it lasts.

You could very well be right about TCU--they basically have the metroplex to sell, as well as their recent winning in football. Actually, they are probably the only private school that the Pac-12 would consider, just because it really isn't that overtly religious anymore, certainly less than BYU or Baylor, neither of whom will ever get included out west. I figure the Pac-12 has 4 slots left, the SEC has 2 slots left, the B1G has 2 slots left, and the ACC has either 1 or 2, depending on how you look at Notre Dame.

I still think that Texas, OU, OSU, and Tech will go west at some point. Tech just has more political sway within Austin and they have been UT's buddy for a long time. I think KU will go north to the B1G and I think they will get another ACC team to move over--my guess is UVa. Then the SEC will poach Va Tech and NC State. The ACC will replace them with the following teams UConn, Cincy, and WVU, plus a basketball only type member like St. John's to get to 16 hoops teams and 14 football teams + ND. The leftovers will have to find their place in the G5s or in the realm of going independent to get Power Leagues to continue to play you as a peer, just like BYU has done.