Timeline: Get your tinfoil out.

Cr1028 · September 16, 2015

I posted this in another thread but thought I'd let you guys all look at it and ponder. Figure the convo might get interesting.

This may be a little too tinfoil for even me but I'm just putting it out there. I'm not sayin' I'm just sayin'.

Timeline:

October 2010: Iowa City senior qb is 6 games into his senior season, first as quarterback, and is looking for offers. Iowa City qb said his ultimate goal is to earn a scholarship to play quarterback for a Division I school. But he also wants to keep his options open. “For sure a Division I quarterback,” he said. “But I’d also be willing to make the move if that was the situation. But my goal right now is to be a Division I quarterback.”

Late October 2010: Todd Dodge fired by UNT. Iowa City qb still has no offers.

Late November 2010: Dan McCarney hired as new NT head coach. Iowa City qb still with no offers.

January 2011: Iowa City qb gets first and only offer.

February 2011: Iowa City qb signs with NT

September 2011: True Freshman qb scores first TD in NT's much anticipated new Apogee Stadium just a few weeks after entering the program. Apparently a true freshman can come in and play qb right away but a junior juco transfer 4 star elite 11 quarterback can't.

October 2011: True freshman qb with 2 months in the program gets the start for injured starter Derek Thompson over juco transfer. Throws 2 pick 6s.

October 2011: Thompson injured again, true freshman again comes in over juco.

2012: Injured

2013: Backup to redshirt senior during bowl season.

October 2014: Redshirt junior takes over as starter for final 6 games of the season. Averages 180 yds passing per game leading team to a 2-4 record against teams that would have a combined record of 13-23 over their final six games.

September 2015: Redshirt senior qb named starter for game one. Ends up with the worst quarterback rating in all of college football. Coach gives him a vote of confidence and says he will continue to be the starter.

flyonthewall · September 16, 2015

golden, just golden. You need to concentrate this energy on whatever your means to producing for that 2 year old a 4 year old is, because you would be a rock star in that endeavor if you did! (LOL)

#Cr1028keepitreal

Cerebus · September 16, 2015

untcampbell · September 16, 2015

The timeline is compelling. Really.

The one thing I question is how often coaches evaluate talent for months, only to make a decision most likely to sabotage their career, to go with the guy most likely to lose. One could argue it seems to happen regularly at lil 'ol North Texas. Maybe we just hire guys that don't have their best interest in mind. Or guys that read message boards and make bad decisions just to spite us.

And if either is the case, maybe we also just hire AD's that hire guys that do those things.

GMG

foutsrouts · September 16, 2015

He just must have been one of those super duper freshmen.

UNT Five&Dime · September 16, 2015

So Todd Dodge intentionally sucked to help out a kid from Iowa. Am I connecting the dots correctly?

UNT90 · September 16, 2015

So Todd Dodge intentionally sucked to help out a kid from Iowa. Am I connecting the dots correctly?

Timelines don't lie, man...

HoustonEagle · September 16, 2015

As much as I am just completely horse whipped by the state of the program you will never catch me claiming McCarney nepotism. No on and I mean NO ONE would tarnish a legacy (what there is of one) or jeopardize their high paying job for the sake of their buddies son. Hell he was the third choice last year and sadly looked the best.

McCarney is not a good recruiter.

McCarney is not a offensive mind.

McCarney is someone that wants to keep his job and retire as a winning coach. I'm just not sure he can.

MGNation92 · September 16, 2015

September 19 2015 - DaMarcus "Willie Beamen" Smith is thrust into the starting QB role of the 4th quarter and leads UNT football to CUSA dominance the next 2 seasons. Overall program perception and recruiting increases and within 10 years, UNT is invited to become a member of the Big 12 conference. Well. A guy can dream right?

UNT90 · September 16, 2015

Interesting tweet and comment

risinggreen · September 16, 2015

So Todd Dodge intentionally sucked to help out a kid from Iowa. Am I connecting the dots correctly?

Or maybe RV was the conspirator, and he hired McCarney only because McCarney was the sole candidate who would agree to offer McNulty?

UNT90 · September 16, 2015

Or maybe RV was the conspirator, and he hired McCarney only because McCarney was the sole candidate who would agree to offer McNulty?

not true without a timeline, bro...

Cerebus · September 16, 2015

Or maybe RV was the conspirator, and he hired McCarney only because McCarney was the sole candidate who would agree to offer McNulty?

Green Mean · September 16, 2015

McCarney is someone that wants to keep his job and retire as a winning coach. I'm just not sure he can.

He better start winning now because his 78-113 career record as a head coach suggests anything but a winning coach.

BillySee58 · September 16, 2015

Can we get over this Mcnulty fascination? If we end up bad this year it's not going to be because of this stuff. It's not his fault our QB recruiting has been awful. And that's not the only position we haven't recruited well under Mccarney.

Mean Green 93-98 · September 16, 2015

Could it be possible, not asking if it is probable just possible that a man would take a job he didn't necessarily need or want but wasn't entirely opposed to in order for his best friend of 40 years son could live out his dream? Is there any possibility at all that McCarney would've left his $330k per year position coach job to allow his best friend's son to live out his dream? Is it at all possible? He was 58, winning national championships at Florida, and Urban Meyer hadn't announced he was leaving yet. I don't think it is likely but with all the coincidences, I wonder if it is possible.

No.

Got5onIt · September 16, 2015

We're playing with a piranha on this subject matter, my friend, but I'm right there with you. I've always been in the camp of a certain QB not getting any FBS offers had it not been for a certain HC getting the job in Denton. Of course, I'm sure at the time this particular coach thought it wouldn't be an issue as he would be able to recruit "better" QB's, thus burying his friends kid into the depth chart of obscurity. Funny how bad decisions can turn around and bite you in the gluteus maximus.

Ben Gooding · September 17, 2015

September 19 2015 - DaMarcus "Willie Beamen" Smith is thrust into the starting QB role of the 4th quarter and leads UNT football to CUSA dominance the next 2 seasons. Overall program perception and recruiting increases and within 10 years, UNT is invited to become a member of the Big 12 conference. Well. A guy can dream right?

This tweet is vey interesting. I'm not sure if he is insinuating he is getting QB1 reps or if he is (rightfully) making fun of Andrew McNulty. Interesting, nevertheless.

Cr1028 · September 17, 2015

golden, just golden. You need to concentrate this energy on whatever your means to producing for that 2 year old a 4 year old is, because you would be a rock star in that endeavor if you did! (LOL)
#Cr1028keepitreal

Thank you for the kind words. They mean a lot.

eulessismore · September 17, 2015

You know, the Monday night coaches show provided the key element in any conspiracy. The cover up; always the largest and most obvious part of the conspiracy.

North Texas Shep · September 17, 2015

What if Smith is third string because he sucks? These coaches want to win, they like their jobs. If he was good he would be playing right now. Last year they skipped over Lil Mac twice. He may be the only choice. Think about that. It might just be the truth. Believe me I want to be wrong but I might be right.

Edited September 17, 2015 by North Texas Shep

eulessismore · September 17, 2015

What if Smith is third string because he sucks? These coaches want to win, they like there jobs. If he was good he would be playing right now. Last year they skipped over Lil Mac twice. He may be the only choice. Think about that. It might just be the truth. Believe me I want to be wrong but I might be right.

I feel your pain. So pessimistic that I'm ecstatic when proven wrong. Although a conspiracy theory would be much more comforting than "what if this is as good as it gets"?

Cr1028 · September 17, 2015

What if Smith is third string because he sucks? These coaches want to win, they like their jobs. If he was good he would be playing right now. Last year they skipped over Lil Mac twice. He may be the only choice. Think about that. It might just be the truth. Believe me I want to be wrong but I might be right.

Smith is 3rd string because he is behind the others in learning the offense according the head coach. Sometimes you have to let a gamer go out there and improvise. Mac doesn't like improvisation which is why Berglund and Williams were run out of the program. My guess is that Mac fears this with Smith as well. UT was in a very similar situation and now Jay Norvell and Jerrod Heard are running the offense instead of Shawn Watson and Tyrone Swoopes. Heard brings excitement that Swoopes never brought despite his mastery of the playbook vernacular.

eulessismore · September 17, 2015

Smith is 3rd string because he is behind the others in learning the offense according the head coach. Sometimes you have to let a gamer go out there and improvise. Mac doesn't like improvisation which is why Berglund and Williams were run out of the program. My guess is that Mac fears this with Smith as well. UT was in a very similar situation and now Jay Norvell and Jerrod Heard are running the offense instead of Shawn Watson and Tyrone Swoopes. Heard brings excitement that Swoopes never brought despite his mastery of the playbook vernacular.

I have been thinking about how disturbing that is at the school that pioneered collegiate jazz education.