Rice looking for bounce-back win against UNT

KingDL1 · September 16, 2015

I wish we had Giovanni Vizza as our QB instead of NUTTY

I think Vizza is a four letter word around here, tread lightly.

FirefightnRick · September 16, 2015

There wasn't 7,8,9 in the box Saturday.

I must be imagining things as there can't be 8 in the box above.

....and there isn't 7 in the box above either, right?

Rick

Edited September 16, 2015 by FirefightnRick

UNT90 · September 16, 2015

There wasn't 7,8,9 in the box Saturday.

Both safeties were sucked up tight ALL game.

Mean_Green09 · September 16, 2015

I must be imagining things as there can't be 8 in the box above.
....and there isn't 7 in the box above either, right?

Rick

The first picture you don't count the box after the play starts. What was it pre snap? The corner doesn't count as in the box.

The majority of the night North Texas faced a 6 man box. When SMU would go 7 it would be a blitz off the edge from one of their safety's.

GOMG2013 · September 16, 2015

The first picture you don't count the box after the play starts. What was it pre snap? The corner doesn't count as in the box.
The majority of the night North Texas faced a 6 man box. When SMU would go 7 it would be a blitz off the edge from one of their safety's.

this. Of course more people will show up once the ball is snapped. That does not count as in the box. Come on now.

Last year some defended the OL and it was bad. Same thing this year, same excuse.

UNT90 · September 16, 2015

The first picture you don't count the box after the play starts. What was it pre snap? The corner doesn't count as in the box.
The majority of the night North Texas faced a 6 man box. When SMU would go 7 it would be a blitz off the edge from one of their safety's.

A 6 man box? So SMU was playing a 3-3-5? No, they weren't. They were playing a 4-3.

UNT was facing 9 in the box on just about every play. The safeties weren't lined up even with the linebackers, but were only a couple of yards behind them on a majority of the plays. They certainly weren't where they should be for a pass capable offense.

Edited September 16, 2015 by UNT90

Mean_Green09 · September 16, 2015

A 6 man box? So SMU was playing a 3-3-5? No, they weren't. They were playing a 4-3.
UNT was facing 9 in the box on just about every play. The safeties weren't lined up even with the linebackers, but were only a couple of yards behind them on a majority of the plays. They certainly weren't where they should be for a pass capable offense.

They were not playing a 3-3-5 or 4-3. It was 4-2-5.

FirefightnRick · September 16, 2015

The first picture you don't count the box after the play starts. What was it pre snap? The corner doesn't count as in the box.
The majority of the night North Texas faced a 6 man box. When SMU would go 7 it would be a blitz off the edge from one of their safety's.

The photo clearly shows 7 and 8 men in run support...in the box. A good DC isn't going to telegraph it in pre snap. Maybe he fooled you?

Rick

Mean_Green09 · September 16, 2015

The photo clearly shows 7 and 8 men in run support...in the box. A good DC isn't going to telegraph it in pre snap. Maybe he fooled you?

Rick

They are in run support because it's a run and the ball has been handed off. Why else would a DB be in the backfield with a WR blocking him? How do you count a DB on the outside as in the box? Run support is not the same thing as counting the number in the box pre snap.

GOMG2013 · September 16, 2015

They are in run support because it's a run and the ball has been handed off. Why else would a DB be in the backfield with a WR blocking him? How do you count a DB on the outside as in the box? Run support is not the same thing as counting the number in the box pre snap.

both pictures we have 9 offensive players too, so the outnumbered theory is shot. It should probably be more defensive players..

Mean_Green09 · September 16, 2015

2nd quarter. 6 men in the box. 4-2-5. 2 high safeties.

1st play of the game 6 men in the box. The defender at the bottom of the screen was on Smiley and when he went into motion that defender starter towards the box. He still inst in it. Two deep safeties. They had the same look on 2nd down.

Edited September 16, 2015 by Mean_Green09

FirefightnRick · September 16, 2015

They are in run support...

Yes I've established that already and I'm happy you recognize it too.

Rick

GOMG2013 · September 16, 2015

1st play of the game 6 men in the box. The defender at the bottom of the screen was on Smiley and when he went into motion that defender starter towards the box. He still inst in it. Two deep safeties. They had the same look on 2nd down.

please stop. You are making me sad. No way we shouldn't have ran that ball down their throats with those safeties that far back. They pretty much ignored the talent at RB.

Mean_Green09 · September 16, 2015

Here again 4-2-5. Only 5 in the box, but I'll give you 6 he is close enough. A single high safety, but no other safety creeping towards the line.

6 men in the box again with 2 deep safeties. In this play the LB near the top shifts back to the middle, and the corner ends up blitzing. McNulty saw the blitz and ended up thorwing it deep to Harris.

But where is this 9 man box we keep hearing about?

3rd quarter down 17-13 still safeties no where near the box.

Edited September 16, 2015 by Mean_Green09

MeanGreenTexan · September 16, 2015

I must be imagining things as there can't be 8 in the box above.
....and there isn't 7 in the box above either, right?

Rick

Rick,
It looks like your 2 pictures are of the same exact play... like 1 second apart?

First of all, as @Mean_Green09 mentioned they're both after the play started. Secondly, notice who is in the backfield with the ball: Harris. This means it's a jet sweep, in which the corner who was covering him when he lined up in the slot followed him across (#11), thus he entered the box... making the previously 6 guys now equal 7.

You're right in that the box was often stacked. I saw it too, but this was not a good example.

Mean Green 93-98 · September 16, 2015

I think Vizza is a four letter word around here, tread lightly.

I didn't like the way he left, but he was probably the most talented QB here since . . . maybe ever? And to compare his ability to McNulty's is a study in stark contrast.

FirefightnRick · September 16, 2015

Rick,It looks like your 2 pictures are of the same exact play... like 1 second apart?
First of all, as @Mean_Green09 mentioned they're both after the play started. Secondly, notice who is in the backfield with the ball: Harris. This means it's a jet sweep, in which the corner who was covering him when he lined up in the slot followed him across (#11), thus he entered the box... making the previously 6 guys now equal 7.
You're right in that the box was often stacked. I saw it too, but this was not a good example.

its a a perfect example and of two separate plays...and I could post many others but won't as there is no need to. In the second photo the ball is still airborne from the snap in front of Mini so I have no idea what point your trying to make?

...But since even visuals proving 7 and 8 men existed doesn't convince a few of you I don't know wghat else to say other than just refer back to Mac's overall road record and be done with it.

Hey who knew...3+4=6..?

Only at North Texas.

Rick

KingDL1 · September 16, 2015

I didn't like the way he left, but he was probably the most talented QB here since . . . maybe ever? And to compare his ability to McNulty's is a study in stark contrast.

I think Andrew Smith was the best all around QB that I ever watched and paid attention to. Scott Hall was great leader and good QB.

Comparing what we have seen with McNulty puts him near bottom, but last year he clearly beat Greer and Dajon. I really thought Dajon would do better but all reports from weight room on said he would not put the work in.

MeanGreenTexan · September 16, 2015

its a a perfect example and of two separate plays...and I could post many others but won't as there is no need to. In the second photo the ball is still airborne from the snap in front of Mini so I have no idea what point your trying to make?
...But since even visuals proving 7 and 8 men existed doesn't convince a few of you I don't know wghat else to say other than just refer back to Mac's overall road record and be done with it.
Hey who knew...3+4=6..?

Only at North Texas.

Rick

Yeah, I just dont think so. Here's why: The jet sweep to Carlos only happened like 2-3 times in the whole game. You're telling me these are 2 of those different plays, they contained the same exact personnel, and happened at the exact same spot on the field? These are 2 pictures of the same play 1 second apart (top play 1 second after bottom). I'd like to see a screengrab of this very same play about 2 seconds prior... when Carlos is set, before he comes into the backfield. I'm betting Carlos is in the slot and has #11 on him.

Again, PRE SNAP, with the jet sweep, Carlos lines up either outside or in the slot. He'll likely have either an OLB/nickel on him (in the slot) or a CB on him (on the outside). Whoever that guy is wouldn't be counted 'in the box' in formation, because he has to cover Carlos out there.

When Carlos moves into the backfield just before the snap, someone is going to come with him... in this case #11, the OLB/nickel. You just brought another guy into the backfield in your offensive formation, it's only common sense that another defensive player would show up near the line of scrimmage... thus 7 guys in your bottom picture.

1 second later (the top picture), Carlos has the ball and is running with a CB from the opposite side of the field (you can see this guy's feet in the bottom picture) engaged with his lead blocker, Jimmerson. That's why there are 8 guys in your top picture.

It's just not a very good example of your point (WHICH IS VALID) is all I'm saying.

Mean_Green09 · September 16, 2015

its a a perfect example and of two separate plays...and I could post many others but won't as there is no need to. In the second photo the ball is still airborne from the snap in front of Mini so I have no idea what point your trying to make?
...But since even visuals proving 7 and 8 men existed doesn't convince a few of you I don't know wghat else to say other than just refer back to Mac's overall road record and be done with it.
Hey who knew...3+4=6..?

Only at North Texas.

Rick

If it is 2 separate plays. Did Carlos Harris run the ball in each of those plays?

Yeah, I just dont think so. Here's why: The jet sweep to Carlos only happened like 2-3 times in the whole game. You're telling me these are 2 of those different plays, they contained the same exact personnel, and happened at the exact same spot on the field? These are 2 pictures of the same play 1 second apart (top play 1 second after bottom). I'd like to see a screengrab of this very same play about 2 seconds prior... when Carlos is set, before he comes into the backfield. I'm betting Carlos is in the slot and has #11 on him.
Again, PRE SNAP, with the jet sweep, Carlos lines up either outside or in the slot. He'll likely have either an OLB/nickel on him (in the slot) or a CB on him (on the outside). Whoever that guy is wouldn't be counted 'in the box' in formation, because he has to cover Carlos out there.
When Carlos moves into the backfield just before the snap, someone is going to come with him... in this case #11, the OLB/nickel. You just brought another guy into the backfield in your offensive formation, it's only common sense that another defensive player would show up near the line of scrimmage... thus 7 guys in your bottom picture.
1 second later (the top picture), Carlos has the ball and is running with a CB from the opposite side of the field (you can see this guy's feet in the bottom picture) engaged with his lead blocker, Jimmerson. That's why there are 8 guys in your top picture.
It's just not a very good example of your point (WHICH IS VALID) is all I'm saying.

The most important point to be made here was the fact that the OL didnt play well pure and simple. They werent set up to fail. They a long with the QB need to play better.

North Texas faced a ton of 6 man boxes against SMU, and good amount of 7 man boxes where the STAR LB would blitz off the edge. It wasnt 8 man or 9 man boxes.

SMU consistently had their safeties away from the line of scrimmage.

The offensive scheme is archaic. All these spread plays are just old school stuff put into spread formations.

We did spread SMU out, we just didnt take advantage of the opportunities that came about during the game.

Mac's Road record has nothing to do with how many people SMU put in the box. It has more to do with preparation and execution.

You know what your right I saw 11 guys in the box every play Saturday night. I guess everybody on the field is in the box. I guess the box is a lot bigger than I originally thought. It includes everything within the white lines. Maybe I should count everybody around the ball once the tackle is made too.

You believe in results, but you dont get those results without execution of the play call. Did Canales call a great game? Hell No, but he made far fewer mistakes than the guys on the field did.

Whatever I give up.

JRock · September 16, 2015

I gave my tickets away for this game. Could not subject my family to it. I'm practicing the philosophy that if I'm not there, they win a big way and I regret not going. I need some kind of motivation to go to games again. So deflated after last week.

FirefightnRick · September 16, 2015

For UNT90...

#upsidedownoffense

Rick

Aldo · September 16, 2015

I gave my tickets away for this game. Could not subject my family to it. I'm practicing the philosophy that if I'm not there, they win a big way and I regret not going. I need some kind of motivation to go to games again. So deflated after last week.