That QB we turned down

UNT90 · September 4, 2015

Just threw for 332 yards and 2 TDs in a close loss to the #22 team in the nation on the road.

This just solidifies the belief that DMac despises the forward pass.

North Texas Shep · September 4, 2015

He played a solid game, but he is no Andrew Football!

UNT90 · September 4, 2015

Also shows how much a good FBS QB means to teams in this conference. That game should serve as a sit up and take notice that Craphole won't be as bad as some (me included) thought this year.

Ben Gooding · September 4, 2015

He also rushed for a score as well. 359 total yards, 3 total td. Some around here would be ready to call him the 2nd coming if he were in green doing that. Hey, but we have Connor Means. Means is like 6'4" and THAT makes a difference. We don't care that he couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat, because he's tall and that's far more important.

Tyler Maryak · September 4, 2015

How much of that is QB development by the coaching staff, though? Which many would say is a department in which we are lacking.

Edited September 4, 2015 by Tyler Maryak

UNT90 · September 4, 2015

Its pretty clear we are lacking in talent evaluation and development. It isn't an either or situation.

Got5onIt · September 4, 2015

How much of that is QB development by the coaching staff, though? Which many would say is a department in which wewe are lacking.

I'm definitely in the boat of evaluation being a bigger problem than development here. You're way ahead of the game if you start with more talent.

GM1998 · September 4, 2015

RV was a finalist for the UTSA AD job years ago. With his foundation in mediocrity UTSA wouldn't even have attempted football. Probably wouldn't seem fiscally responsible... The status quo at UNT is unacceptable. We all fondly remember the 2013 season but it was an outlier. I pray all of us are just wearily pessimistic. Additionally, a first week bye doesn't help with apprehension! Congrats to WKU and FIU. The conference looked good on opening night!

UNTcrazy727 · September 4, 2015

He also rushed for a score as well. 359 total yards, 3 total td. Some around here would be ready to call him the 2nd coming if he were in green doing that. Hey, but we have Connor Means. Means is like 6'4" and THAT makes a difference. We don't care that he couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat, because he's tall and that's far more important.

Pretty sure that's a better statistical game than DT ever had. If not, it's VERY close.

The lack of QB evaluation/development is going to be the downfall of Mac.

GM1998 · September 4, 2015

Pretty sure that's a better statistical game than DT ever had. If not, it's VERY close.
The lack of QB evaluation/development is going to be the downfall of Mac.

That problem seems to by systemic. They can't figure that one out in Austin and they have their own network!

Coach Andy Mac · September 4, 2015

Arizona sucks.

UNT90 · September 4, 2015

Pretty sure that's a better statistical game than DT ever had. If not, it's VERY close.
The lack of QB evaluation/development is going to be the downfall of Mac.

looking at just 2013, DT had 349 yards against Idaho and 326 against Tulane.

Of course, neither of those was ranked #22 in the nation at the time.

If this is the norm and not a weird exception for this kid, it is really really going to hurt this program going forward.

Ben Gooding · September 4, 2015

looking at just 2013, DT had 349 yards against Idaho and 326 against Tulane.

Of course, neither of those was ranked #22 in the nation at the time.

If this is the norm and not a weird exception for this kid, it is really really going to hurt this program going forward.

So in short, yes this was a better outing DT ever had.

Cr1028 · September 4, 2015

I'm just glad that he hadn't already been throwing passes to two of our best young receivers for 3 or more years prior to college.....oh wait.

UNTcrazy727 · September 4, 2015

Wasn't really trying to bash DT. Just pointing out that Bogenschutz, who we didn't want, put up better numbers in his first game against a Top 25 team than any UNT QB has in recent memory, regardless of competition. Doesn't make our coaching staff look very smart.

BillySee58 · September 4, 2015

How much of that is QB development by the coaching staff, though? Which many would say is a department in which wewe are lacking.

I think it has something to do with it, but I think Bogie has just always been a better product than his counterpart here (Means). Bogie had ridiculous high school numbers while Means didn't even complete 50% of his passes as a senior.

I've talked about how I wasn't sold on Bogie because he struggled against the faster defenses he went up against like WOS and Kilgore. He's done a great job of getting up to game speed of D1 ball, while Means hasn't. Certainly development has played a part, but we're talking about one QB who is accurate and one who doesn't appear to be.

UNTEngr.#43 · September 4, 2015

Will lets hope that when we play UTSA in Oct. that our defense is ready and can contain Bogie.

Withers940 · September 4, 2015

Anyone can throw 300+ yards when they are athletic but does he know the playbook?

greenit · September 4, 2015

Not to worry. McNulty is ranked ahead of Bogenschzutsz in the latest QB rankings.

Greendylan · September 4, 2015

There are a few obvious gripes that we could aim at our coaching staff, but I'm not sure this is one of them--not yet, anyway. I applaud Bogenshutz and UTSA on an impressive showing against a major opponent on the road, as they certainly represented both themselves and the conference quite well. But, it is just one game. And week one. We don't know if he will replicate those results on a regular basis, and we also don't truly know how good Arizona is. A lot of craziness happens in the first few days of college football that doesn't necessarily project how teams and/or individual players will turn out in the end. Also, in another thread we're gnashing our teeth about the Athlon ranking of QBs that has McNulty all the way down at 121, while the same list has Bogenshutz even lower at 125. My point is that we shouldn't act (after one awesome game) like our coaching staff pulled some epically bone-headed move by not recruiting the guy.

foutsrouts · September 4, 2015

Not to worry. McNulty is ranked ahead of Bogenschzutsz in the latest QB rankings.

Plus I hear he's a half inch taller.

untjim1995 · September 4, 2015

Its pretty clear we are lacking in talent evaluation and development. It isn't an either or situation.

Ask yourself this question--then you'll hopefully find your answer. If Bogenshutz had come to UNT instead of UTSA, what are the chances that he would play in an offense that would give him the chance to rack up 350+ yards in total offense on the road against a Top 25 P5 team?

Unless Mac decides to run an offense that is 180 degrees different from anything he has run other than the Seneca Wallace years at ISU, throwing QBs from Texas high schools aren't coming here. All we have are bus drivers --because that is what the offensive scheme asks for. Maybe we do have playmakers at QB that could throw for 300+ yards for many games this season, but I doubt I--and it's a moot point because we ain't running that offense anyway.

McNulty is a Senior Bus Driver from Iowa whose dad was pals with McCarney. Greer cannot play football at this level, probably couldn't at the FCS level, with those happy feet and that weak arm. Damarcus Smith couldn't get academics together to be here until it was too late and he cannot get above a QB who might be an ok fit at a D-2 college in Mac's and Chico's eyes. Means is actually the guy that will probably get groomed for the bus driver role for the future. And we will continue to have to go the out-of-state juco route for QBs to fill in the gaps that not being able to recruit a decent Texas HS QB causes for the roster. Even if this is Chico's last year, as I expect it to be, the offense is going to get opened up more after he's gone because Mac wants a grind it out offense to compliment his defense. He would have to do what Patterson at TCU did--give up all control of that side of the ball to the OC who runs an offense completely unknown to Mac, whether its the spread or some hybrid of it. And the chances of that happening seem about as high as us buying out a contract before there's more than a year left until its expiring.

BillySee58 · September 4, 2015

There are a few obvious gripes that we could aim at our coaching staff, but I'm not sure this is one of them--not yet, anyway. I applaud Bogenshutz and UTSA on an impressive showing against a major opponent on the road, as they certainly represented both themselves and the conference quite well. But, it is just one game. And week one. We don't know if he will replicate those results on a regular basis, and we also don't truly know how good Arizona is. A lot of craziness happens in the first few days of college football that doesn't necessarily project how teams and/or individual players will turn out in the end. Also, in another thread we're gnashing our teeth about the Athlon ranking of QBs that has McNulty all the way down at 121, while the same list has Bogenshutz even lower at 125. My point is that we shouldn't act (after one awesome game) like our coaching staff pulled some epically bone-headed move by not recruiting the guy.

We did recruit him, we just never offered. That's important because we did know of him and his interest.

The bigger picture issue here is that with Mccarney's mindset and parameters he set on QB recruiting, players like Bogenschutz were not offered by default, because of his/their height. When you recruit to North Texas you obviously don't get the pick of the litter.

If you want players with prototypical size you either have to find a hidden guy like Jeffery Wilson (harder to do today), win some recruiting battles against quality schools, or get a guy that has the size but doesn't have the production and wasn't highly recruited because of his play. Mccarney has gotten burned by not being able to win recruiting battles with enough frequency, but still wanting these type of players. That has created a problem, and resulted in us not even considering a guy like Bogenschutz because we're being too picky.

North Texas athletics cannot afford to set a bunch of predesignated parameters, with recruiting players or hiring coaches.

GTWT · September 4, 2015

We haven't played our 1st 2015 game and already the negativity on this board is stifling. If you have this same mind-set in your job, your family, and elsewhere in your life you must lead really wonderful lives.

Greendylan · September 4, 2015

We did recruit him, we just never offered. That's important because we did know of him and his interest.
The bigger picture issue here is that with Mccarney's mindset and parameters he set on QB recruiting, players like Bogenschutz were not offered by default, because of his/their height. When you recruit to North Texas you obviously don't get the pick of the litter.
If you want players with prototypical size you either have to find a hidden guy like Jeffery Wilson (harder to do today), win some recruiting battles against quality schools, or get a guy that has the size but doesn't have the production and wasn't highly recruited because of his play. Mccarney has gotten burned by not being able to win recruiting battles with enough frequency, but still wanting these type of players. That has created a problem, and resulted in us not even considering a guy like Bogenschutz because we're being too picky.
North Texas athletics cannot afford to set a bunch of predesignated parameters, with recruiting players or hiring coaches.

Sure, I completely agree with everything you're saying. I just think this would be a more productive discussion (as it relates to this one particular player anyway) a few weeks into the season and not as a knee-jerk reaction to an early season game.