VA news reporter & cameraman killed on live TV

[MeanGreenTexan]

What the heck is going on in America?

Gun law changes are not "the" solution, this crap is going to keep happening regardless.  Crazy people are killing other people.  Crazy people are not going away when gun laws change.

http://news.yahoo.com/cbs-journalists-shot-killed-live-broadcast-130723506.html

[UNTFan23]

What the heck is going on in America?

Gun law changes are not "the" solution, this crap is going to keep happening regardless.  Crazy people are killing other people.  Crazy people are not going away when gun laws change.

http://news.yahoo.com/cbs-journalists-shot-killed-live-broadcast-130723506.html

Possibly an ex-employee that has a beef with his/her former employer?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wbdj-shooting-on-air_55ddaa54e4b0a40aa3acca3c

[Coffee and TV]

I don't know why I watched the video....I guess it was different than what I expected. The world is cruel, and this is tragic. 

 

EDIT: I watched the video that was the live broadcast, not the shooter's personal one. F-ck that, I ain't doing that. 

Edited August 26, 2015 by Coffee and TV

[Mean_Green09]

He also posted a video of the shooting on Twitter and Facebook. Twitter disabled the account after about 8 mins or so. Just a sick individual to post that. He stood there for awhile and they didn't notice him. 

[Cerebus]

What the heck is going on in America?

Same thing that always has?   I remember as a kid watching Budd Dwyer blow his head off on live tv.  

[Rudy]

Same thing that always has?   I remember as a kid watching Budd Dwyer blow his head off on live tv.  

Saw that in the academy. That was effed up.

[Cerebus]

Saw that in the academy. That was effed up.

Never looked at manila envelopes in the same way?

[Rudy]

Looks like it played out like we knew it would. Suspect offed himself. 

[UNTFan23]

Looks like it played out like we knew it would. Suspect offed himself. 

I'm not seeing any reports that he killed himself, just that he shot himself.

[Rudy]

It's early, but the reports are he is dead. If you shoot yourself after murdering people, you're shooting yourself in the head, so high probability your dying. 

 

 

[Cerebus]

If you shoot yourself after murdering people, you're shooting yourself in the head, so high probability your dying. 

Apparently this waste of human flesh is too dumb to kill himself correctly:

https://twitter.com/WHSVnews/status/636571271812284416

[ColoradoEagle]

What the heck is going on in America?

Gun law changes are not "the" solution, this crap is going to keep happening regardless.  

If he couldn't waltz down to his local Cabela's and buy a handgun, I doubt this happens. After Virginia Tech and Sandyhook, it's obvious this country is more in love with its guns than the lives of people and children they don't know.

Edited August 26, 2015 by ColoradoEagle

[UNTFan23]

If he couldn't waltz down to his local Cabela's and buy a handgun, I doubt this happens. After Virginia Tech and Sandyhook, it's obvious this country is more in love with its guns than the lives of people and children they don't know.

Exactly what existing law would have stopped him from buying a gun?  It sounds like he previously had not any encounters with the police/law enforcement.

[ColoradoEagle]

Exactly.

[UNTFan23]

Exactly.

Ambiguity gets everyone nowhere.  What current or future law can prevent something like this?  So when someone is escorted from their old place of employment by the police they should have their 2nd Amendment rights stripped?  For how long?  Who makes sure this is enforced?  How do you make sure people are not wrongly affected by this new or modified law?  What's a person's course action for redress if they feel they have had their 2nd amendment wrongfully striped?

[LongJim]

Deranged people bent on killing, will kill.  Period.

[ColoradoEagle]

Ambiguity gets everyone nowhere.  

It's not my intent to be ambiguous. It's to say that as long as guns are readily available, people who want to kill will, and easily.

Deranged people bent on killing, will kill.  Period.

It's a hell of a lot easier to kill multiple to dozens of people with a gun than it is with a knife. This is not a valid argument against gun control. 

[MeanGreenTexan]

Ambiguity gets everyone nowhere.  What current or future law can prevent something like this?  So when someone is escorted from their old place of employment by the police they should have their 2nd Amendment rights stripped?  For how long?  Who makes sure this is enforced?  How do you make sure people are not wrongly affected by this new or modified law?  What's a person's course action for redress if they feel they have had their 2nd amendment wrongfully striped?

I think he's saying he would like to amend the constitution to rid the US of legal guns?

[ColoradoEagle]

I think he's saying he would like to amend the constitution to rid the US of legal guns?

I would, but there's not a chance in hell. I'd also go for a compromise of shotguns and hunting rifles only, but there's also not a chance in hell of that.

[LongJim]

It's a hell of a lot easier to kill multiple to dozens of people with a gun than it is with a knife. This is not a valid argument against gun control. 

Relax, man.  I'm not arguing anything.  I'm stating a fact.  Your opposition to legal gun ownership was noted a long time ago around here.  I don't agree with it, but that's why we live in the U.S.A.

[greenminer]

Asking again, because it was never answered before.

1) Do we have  evidence from other countries that suggest gun control laws will work?

2) Do we have evidence from other countries that suggest gun control laws will not work?

 

Relax, man.  I'm not arguing anything.  I'm stating a fact.  Your opposition to legal gun ownership was noted a long time ago around here.  I don't agree with it, but that's why we live in the U.S.A.

I think both are facts.

1) Deranged men on a mission to kill will find a way to kill

2) Deranged men wanting to find a gun will have a harder time doing it if they are outlawed.

I would only suggest (and welcome counter-point) that just because the first fact is true, doesn't mean we give up on putting a law in place.  Considering the massacres that our country sees on a regular basis, I would prefer an attitude of "let's try and figure this out", rather than "we can't do anything about it." and thus let the trend continue.

[ColoradoEagle]

Asking again, because it was never answered before.

1) Do we have  evidence from other countries that suggest gun control laws will work?

2) Do we have evidence from other countries that suggest gun control laws will not work?

#1 Yes, and it's not close.

[LongJim]

Asking again, because it was never answered before.

2) Deranged men wanting to find a gun will have a harder time doing it if they are outlawed.

I would only suggest (and welcome counter-point) that just because the first fact is true, doesn't mean we give up on putting a law in place.  Considering the massacres that our country sees on a regular basis, I would prefer an attitude of "let's try and figure this out", rather than "we can't do anything about it." and thus let the trend continue.

There are laws in place already that do nothing to deter gun violence in many cities in the US.  Deranged people are not the majority of people killing others with guns.  The overwhelming majority of homicides with guns happen in the commission of another crime--by criminals--such as robbery, gang activity, or drug deals, not by a deranged individual.

Maybe I missed somewhere on the board where someone detailed their plan for repealing the 2nd amendment or what the law would be for "responsible" "acceptable" gun ownership? 

Maybe this is a better question, and it's rhetorical:  I own an antique Colt New Service .45 LC and an early 1930's S&W .38 Special.  What reason can you use to convince me you are justified in taking them away from me? 

 

 

[GM1998]

A gun is a tool. If you remove guns from the equation then deranged people will find other means to commit these heinous acts. This is an intelligent group, most of whom are UNT Alumni, which in my opinion are some of the best people I have had the pleasure of knowing. However I believe our founding fathers were amazing individuals who created the bill of rights. They felt so strongly about the populace's right to bear arms that it is the second amendment. These stories are all too frequent. I believe as a society we must address mental illness and the part it plays in these horrendous acts.

Edited August 26, 2015 by GM1998

[Rudy]

This asshole wanted to kill. If all he had was a knife, he still would have killed both of them, likely the interviewee, and even been able to control the camera to conceal his identity if he wanted to.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Rudy