Coach Mac

wardly · July 25, 2015

How does he keep his job? One winning season with his predecessor's kids, complains about attendance to deflect from his record, can't recruit, picked nearly last in the west after 4 seasons. Hoe do he do it?

drex · July 25, 2015

Tap the brakes...let's revisit this question after the season is over.

Ben Gooding · July 25, 2015

How does he keep his job? One winning season with his predecessor's kids, complains about attendance to deflect from his record, can't recruit, picked nearly last in the west after 4 seasons. Hoe do he do it?

Incompetence at AD is how. Mac could LITERALLY go 0-12 and not shit will be done. He knows it, AD knows it, Prez knows it, fans know it. It's the unfortunate reality we are in. Some morons (no offense to whoever you are) on here have already created the narrative of "we could be way better this year and still have the same record as last year." I guarantee you that has already been noted and filed away by Brett Vito to use come December 1st so he can keep to his premeditated attempt at journalism. Then that same narrative will bleed over into the athletic department, president's office and the BOR. It's a cycle of sucking because there are no administrators within our athletic department or university with cahonies to take the bull by the horns.

greenit · July 25, 2015

Disaster Girl - Scorched earth you say? done

jdennis82 · July 25, 2015

I agree that Mac's value will be determined in 2015. It make sense to throw out Mac's first couple season as an acceptable time frame for establishing a new culture in the program. Doing that, we have one very successful season & one very poor season. Which was the outlier? We find out in 2015.

The main reason I've been willing to give him the benefit of the doubt is the academic improvement in the program. In the most recent period, North Texas Football ranked 3rd in Texas behind only A&M & Rice. See APR over the last 10 yrs below...

2013 - 2014 - 970
2012 - 2013 - 954
2011 - 2012 - 951
2010 - 2011 - 938
2009 - 2010 - 932
2008 - 2009 - 927
2007 - 2008 - 911 *Immediate Penalty - Scholarship Reduction = 62
2006 - 2007 - 917 *Immediate Penalty - Scholarship Reduction = 5
2005 - 2006 - 916
2004 - 2005 - 907

I'm impressed by the staff Mac has built and trust that we will see turnaround this season on the field. If we don't, THEN it's time to assess if my trust was misplaced.

ntmeangreen11 · July 25, 2015

My patience is growing thin and I think I have posted enough about our results in recruiting lately but at the same time expectations were as low as possible coming in to 2013 and we could very well make a similar jump again this season. I am holding out hope that will be the case and our worries will be put aside by a staff a lot of people have lost faith in. We must make it to a bowl game this season or I am ready to move on, two bowl games in 5 years is not much to ask.

Got5onIt · July 25, 2015

I fully expect this team to win at least 3 games. We won't have to worry about an 0-12 season. However, Mac will be back regardless of this seasons outcome. 2-10, 5-7, it wont matter....

GreenMachine · July 25, 2015

Because we have complacent fans that think it's perfectly fine to be mediocre. We have some on this board that would pop a boner if we won 5 or 6 games every single year.

MeanGreen13 · July 25, 2015

the way some of you guys talk on here makes me believe that you have no concept of our reality. Mac will get every opportunity to take this program further and her fully deserves that. have some perspective is all I am saying. If we fire a coach in the middle of the process, besides not being able to afford to do that in the first place because of shitty fan support, who the hell do you think will come replace him and do better? No one wants this job dude. at least no one who would be able to do it right. let the man do his job and judge him when it is appropriate to do so.

Cr1028 · July 25, 2015

2016 will be the year we have another bowl season. I hope Mac and Canales will both be around for it. This season we will still be dealing with cloudy judgment. Our judgment will become clear again 11/29/15. That's when I will get really enthusiastic about the cuffs coming off and the winning to begin again.

Ben Gooding · July 25, 2015

the way some of you guys talk on here makes me believe that you have no concept of our reality. Mac will get every opportunity to take this program further and her fully deserves that. have some perspective is all I am saying. If we fire a coach in the middle of the process, besides not being able to afford to do that in the first place because of shitty fan support, who the hell do you think will come replace him and do better? No one wants this job dude. at least no one who would be able to do it right. let the man do his job and judge him when it is appropriate to do so.

Sure, maybe I am along with others are jumping the gun, but I doubt it. We can't recruit. This staff has shown that it can't recruit in the top 1/3 tier of our own conference. I do not know what makes you think that we are going to have prolonged success while only being able to snag up 5-8 recruits a year that have more than us as an offer list. Our recruiting is telling us our future, not our on the field results. If. you. can't. recruit. you. can't. win.

foutsrouts · July 25, 2015

My Mac complaints can pretty much be found somewhere in the QB threads, so no need for regurgitation here. We'll see what this season brings.

TheTastyGreek · July 25, 2015

Season 1 was better than I expected, by 2 wins.

Season 2 was about what I expected.

Season 3 was way better than I expected.

Season 4 was a disappointment, no doubt.

I think that any coach taking over for a fired guy, you need to take honest stock of where he's starting from and what realistic expectations ought to be. 3 out of 4 years, he's done better than I expected coming out of the Dodge era. I wouldn't have thrown a long extension at him just for one winning season, but I definitely think he deserves to be here.

Now, from this year on? I'm not evaluating on the "rebuilding" curve any more. When you're taking over a team with 3 win talent and you win 5 games? That's significant, and I count it as a (qualified) success. But if you've been here long enough to be fielding a team of your own seniors? 5 wins isn't a success, even if you have 3 win talent. Because the talent is on you.

This year doesn't look promising. If we have a losing record, we damn sure better be in a bowl next year. And if we're not? Better invest in some asbestos panties, because the heat of your coaching chair better be hot enough to roast buttocks. Assuming you haven't been ejected from it already.

GreenMachine · July 26, 2015

the way some of you guys talk on here makes me believe that you have no concept of our reality. Mac will get every opportunity to take this program further and her fully deserves that. have some perspective is all I am saying. If we fire a coach in the middle of the process, besides not being able to afford to do that in the first place because of shitty fan support, who the hell do you think will come replace him and do better? No one wants this job dude. at least no one who would be able to do it right. let the man do his job and judge him when it is appropriate to do so.

It's not that we didn't win much last year, the team as a whole looked lost, no confidence, scared, beaten, and they flat out looked like they and the coaching staff gave up at times. I don't give a damn if it's a first year coach or one with 20 years experience, that is totally unacceptable. Quit making excuses, Mac and staff havent delivered. Doesn't matter what happened with Dodge or DD, Mac and staff aren't producing like they should. No employer would accept that performance in the workplace, not sure why NT alum do.

Rudy · July 26, 2015

We have some on this board that would pop a boner if we won 5 or 6 games every single year.

With or without Viagra?

Cr1028 · July 26, 2015

It's not that we didn't win much last year, the team as a whole looked lost, no confidence, scared, beaten, and they flat out looked like they and the coaching staff gave up at times. I don't give a damn if it's a first year coach or one with 20 years experience, that is totally unacceptable. Quit making excuses, Mac and staff havent delivered. Doesn't matter what happened with Dodge or DD, Mac and staff aren't producing like they should. No employer would accept that performance in the workplace, not sure why NT alum do.

Defense showed up against UT but just couldn't stay off the field due to atrocious quarterback play. I think watching the offense just wore them down.

Got5onIt · July 26, 2015

TTG pretty much got it right, IMO. At this point these are all his guys, his staff, his recruits, his program. It's put up or shut up time for Mac and he has 2 seasons to show me something. No matter what side of the Mean Green fan spectrum you're on, KRAM's or UNT90's, you can't deny this season is looking to be Mac's most challenging of his tenure.

UNT90 · July 26, 2015

Tap the brakes...let's revisit this question after the season is over.

I would normally agree with you, except for the fact that nothing will be revisited after this season.

The AD knows that he will be getting rid of a basketball coach sometime during or at the end of the upcoming season. He can't also fire a football coach the same college year.

Aint. Gonna. Happen.

Especially at UNT.

Be prepared to suck until the 5 or 6 big donors open their eyes and realize this program is going nowhere with this AD. And I don't see that happening anytime soon.

SilverEagle · July 26, 2015

I would normally agree with you, except for the fact that nothing will be revisited after this season.

The AD knows that he will be getting rid of a basketball coach sometime during or at the end of the upcoming season. He can't also fire a football coach the same college year.

Aint. Gonna. Happen.

Especially at UNT.

Be prepared to suck until the 5 or 6 big donors open their eyes and realize this program is going nowhere with this AD. And I don't see that happening anytime soon.

You know, I've wondered about this for some time. How can people who have achieved the level of financial success that one assumes "big donors" have achieved tolerate the "bottom line" that our AD has produced regarding attendance and coaching hires. What were those numbers that Cerebus posted about our MGC numbers in relation to the number of graduates during the same time frame (850/76000 over 14 years)? How many "successful" business men would allow a manager to put up those kind of sales numbers before they "moved in another direction"?

Is the standard excuse "oh well, it's North Texas after all" accepted even by people who know how to run a successful business?

UNT90 · July 26, 2015

You know, I've wondered about this for some time. How can people who have achieved the level of financial success that one assumes "big donors" have achieved tolerate the "bottom line" that our AD has produced regarding attendance and coaching hires. What were those numbers that Cerebus posted about our MGC numbers in relation to the number of graduates during the same time frame (850/76000 over 14 years)? How many "successful" business men would allow a manager to put up those kind of sales numbers before they "moved in another direction"?
Is the standard excuse "oh well, it's North Texas after all" accepted even by people who know how to run a successful business?

I'm sure they are told constantly how "special" UNT's circumstances are and how it's just such a "challenge" to grow athletics at UNT.

Maybe they should consider the AD is a large part of the reason for the "special" and "challenge" in the above sentence.

Edited July 26, 2015 by UNT90

GreenMachine · July 26, 2015

I'm sure they are told constantly how "special" UNT's circumstances are and how it's just such a "challenge" to grow athletics at UNT.

Maybe be they should consider the AD is a large part of the reason for the "special" and "challenge" in the above sentence.

Come on man, don't be so inflexible. You have to give the guy a chance to come in and implement his plan. After all, it's only been 14+ years to get things turned around. Look at the bright side, he is better than Hewlig, we do have tailgating now, just like every division 1 University has.

UNT90 · July 26, 2015

Look at the bright side, he is better than Hewlig, we do have tailgating now, just like every division 1 University has.

I know you are joking, but this is sadly the thought process of many mean green club members.

greenminer · July 26, 2015

Come on man, don't be so inflexible. You have to give the guy a chance to come in and implement his plan. After all, it's only been 14+ years to get things turned around. Look at the bright side, he is better than Hewlig, we do have tailgating now, just like every division 1 University has.

I think both major men's sports have gone through 2 generations of coaching staffs and the fans are still being told (by coaches and AD) there is some locker room cancer to address.

Frustrating!

Edited July 26, 2015 by greenminer

UNT90 · July 26, 2015

I think both major men's sports have gone through 2 generations of coaching staffs and the fans are still being told (by coaches and AD) there is some locker room cancer to address.
Frustrating!

maybe the consideration of an administration cancer should be considered.